Who is the giant?

[Summer]

In AGOT Bran had a prophethic dream:
"He saw his father pleading with the king, his face etched with grief. He saw Sansa crying herself to sleep at night, and he saw Arya watching in silence and holding her secrets hard in her heart. There were shadows all around them. One shadow was as dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them both loomed a giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood."
I think the first shadow is the Hound, the second shadow-Jaime and the third I have no idea. I saw some opinions that is the Mountain,Gregor Clegane, but I don't think so. The Hound and Jaime are protectors of both girls, but the Mountain had nothing to do with Sansa and Arya, he is almost dead. May be the giant in stone armor is not a human, but soething else?
What do you think?

 

[Lacedaemonian]

Food for thought. I will have to consider this poser some more. There is a lot about Bran that is wrapped in pure mystery.

 

[Winters_Sorrow]

I still think the third shadow is Gregor Clegane.
He's still on Arya's "hit-list" remember, and the thick black blood could refer to the fact he'll survive the Red Viper's poison and become even more monstrous to behold.

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

I still think the third shadow is Gregor Clegane.
He's still on Arya's "hit-list" remember, and the thick black blood could refer to the fact he'll survive the Red Viper's poison and become even more monstrous to behold.

oh man, THAT'S a scary thought! And it seems like something that could happen also. Although it would allow for a confrontation of the Clegane brothers which would be very entertaining.

 

[Winters_Sorrow]

Yeah - Gregor's got to die by his brother's hand, hasn't he?
Anything else would be outrageously unfair.....and totally in keeping with GRRM's writing twists so far!

 

[Brian G Turner]

First thought was also Gregor - he may not be an immediate presence on Arya, but he was a general shadow over King's Landing and a lot of what was involved there - I seem to recall Ned sending out for his arrest was something of a spark to the powder keg there.

Second thought would be Lord Tywin for his overall influence, but the description seems more evocative of Gregor.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

I think the first shadow is the Hound, the second shadow-Jaime and the third I have no idea. I saw some opinions that is the Mountain,Gregor Clegane, but I don't think so. The Hound and Jaime are protectors of both girls, but the Mountain had nothing to do with Sansa and Arya, he is almost dead. May be the giant in stone armor is not a human, but soething else?
What do you think?

I still think the third shadow is Gregor Clegane, and that all three have represented threats to at least one of the Stark children at some point. After all, Sandor Clegane didn't really come around until spending a bit more time with Sansa. He was still struggling with his conscience, and still following a master who bade him to do immoral things. Jaime has not been a protector of the girls at all, except in a promise that he made to Catelyn and did not intend to keep. But he was a threat to Bran, throwing him out of the window.

The Mountain did have some things to do with Sansa. I can't remember the bet that she made with Joffrey before the duel with Prince Oberyn, but it was something that directly affected her life if the Prince won. And Arya was in the Mountain's clutches for a while as well, unbeknownst to him.

 

[Sword of the Morning]

It has to be Gregor. No one else can be that huge, to over look Jaime and the Hound. Considering that Gregor's wounds turn black and Bran's dream does have a "guy" that is dark and has black blood. I wonder how Gregor is going to factor into it. I mean Gregor is on his death bed and he is suppost be beheaded, may be.

 

[Miss Drogon]

Or it could be Hodor.

Reason I think that Hodor could be the Giant in Stone, but Bran is controlling him, the reason nothing is there is because well, there isnt much to Hodor in the first place, which could be meaning the darkness as Bran had taken over his brain or what little brain he has.

I think there is more too that dream as well. I think that the whole vision had to do with the Gods, not the people. Especially the line that says

with the terrible face of a hound

I dont think that this is a direct reference to the Hound as that is to obvious for Martin. I think the shadows watching were some sort of Gods, not actual people

e.g. Golden and Beautiful - Lord of the Light?

I think Hodor was sent from the Gods to help Bran, seems like the one God is dark, the other, Light and in the middle, Stone, giant...Hodor aka Bran. Also there has to be way more to Hodor than we see, just like patches (Patches predicted the Red Wedding and everyone thought him an idiot)

Anyway this was my first post, i have only read the books once and I am waiting to get them back from a friend for re-read.

I just like making up theories, I could be totally off the mark.

 

[red_temple]

Welcome to the Chronicles Network, Miss Drogon!!!


Excellent theory - and it could very well be closer to the target. I, too, was thinking that the giant was Gregor until I read your post. You pointed out one thing that really stood out for me - some of the references are way too obvious for GRRM. I think he may definitely be trying to mislead us here, and your guess of Hodor is as good (or better) than any.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

I think that you might be reading too much into it, Miss Drogon. While it is rather obvious, you have to remember that this was simply the very first glimpse of Bran's possible powers using his third eye. So there really could be no more to it than three knights who were, at the time, threats to those who he is linked to by blood and wolves.

 

[Miss Drogon]

I dont think so. I mean, I find it hard to get past the strong connection Bran has with the Gods. They play a huge role we just arent seeing yet (the Gods that is). I still think it is Gods who are the shadows, not the Hound and Gregor. I cant buy that theory. Plus I believe the Gods sent Bran the dreams to begin with.

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

Hiya Miss Drogon!

Im a big lover of theories! So keep em coming! Right or wrong they are always fun to discuss!

Everyone knows anyway that everything that has happened since Bran fell from the tower is just a dream he is having while in a coma at Winterfell.

 

[Sword of the Morning]

Miss Drogon
I've always thought that Gregor is the giant. But Hodor could be the giant as well, I guess. Although, Gregor is know for being freakishly tall, like abnormal. Well Hodor is very tall.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Everyone knows anyway that everything that has happened since Bran fell from the tower is just a dream he is having while in a coma at Winterfell.

I'm not taking the bait, Trey.

I really don't think the giant is Hodor. Bran has too much of a conscience to completely take over Hodor like that.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

I dont think so. I mean, I find it hard to get past the strong connection Bran has with the Gods. They play a huge role we just arent seeing yet (the Gods that is). I still think it is Gods who are the shadows, not the Hound and Gregor. I cant buy that theory. Plus I believe the Gods sent Bran the dreams to begin with.

Well, Miss Drogon, GRRM has confirmed that the Gods don't get directly involved in ASOIAF, in an interview:

Q: Magic has steadily increased throughout your novels from pretty much non-existant in book 1 to rising prevalence by book 3. Will this trend continue in future books?

A: "That's a fairly safe assumption, yes".

Good news for you magic fans out there I briefly discussed the role of Gods in the magic of Westeros. R'hllor etc. He has ruled out any appearances of 'demigods' or direct involvement from the Gods in Westeros though.

Of course, he could just be trying to throw you off the scent.

 

[Miss Drogon]

Ayra,

I didnt say that the Gods were going to appear, I just thought that they play a role in the book, which I still think. Obvioulsy they play a role, or there would be no mention of all the different Gods. I thought maybe it was the Gods who were looking over them, and I never said Hodor was a God, just maybe he was sent here from the Gods. I mean why has him and Nan lived for so long with no divine intervention.

Anyway, I was posting a theory for fun, because I thought this was an interesting topic.

Like I said, mere speculation, I didnt say I was right and everyone else was wrong

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Arya, I didnt say that the Gods were going to appear, I just thought that they play a role in the book, which I still think. Obvioulsy they play a role, or there would be no mention of all the different Gods. I thought maybe it was the Gods who were looking over them, and I never said Hodor was a God, just maybe he was sent here from the Gods. I mean why has him and Nan lived for so long with no divine intervention.

No worries, I know it was all a theory. I was just pointing out that GRRM said that the Gods were not directly involved in the story, that's all.

As for Nan living for so long, I'm wondering if maybe she was part CoF herself?

 

[Brian G Turner]

Only part?

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

I'm thinkin' 99/100ths...