Belgarath

[Riva]

Im not sure if this is obvious to all of you too but i gotta tell you my assumptions..

Often in the books it is said that Belgarath doesn't look like any other person on earth. In some part it is even said that he looks like he is from a race that has died long ago. So if Belgarath really is from a race that is still dwelling on earth, I think its pretty obvious that he is a marag. He was known to be in good terms with marag people before they got killed and i remember him speaking of marags pretty softly. Even the place where he was born is close to marag quarters. Im wondering if anyone remembers anything from his dealings with Mara. I mean Mara could have been extra rude to him if Belgarath really is a marag, because Belgarath left Mara and became the disciple of Aldur.

 

[Princess Ivy]

when they are chasing the sardius, they come accross belgaraths villiage, which was under water. the plain that was flooded by the orb was an angarak plain. i've always assumed myself that Belgarath was of some long forgotten tribe of godless ones from that area. Or an angarak. it should also be noted that belgarath has a face stamped with a great likbess to the God Aldur from centruies of close association, and would hterefore be closer to the image of God than evolved humans.

 

[Princess Ivy]

ok, i've sat down and had a good think and had a look around. Belgarath was born at the time of the splitting of the tibes to the separte god. he cledarly states then when he mentions having lived with the Godless Ones. As such he'd be the pure human strain that occured before the evolution into the separate tribes.

 

[Elyssandrel]

I think Belgarath born in Gara. (Garath = of the town of Gara)
They had no god.
The place no longer exists as it's covered in water from when the world was split.
It's kinda near the ancestral homes of the Tolnedrans, Nyssians and the Marags joined.

I could be wrong. Please tell me if I am.

 

[Princess Ivy]

information as presented seems correct, not sure about the water near the border though. will have to check the map

 

[Elyssandrel]

Are there any restrictions for posting pics?
If so let me know and I'll delete.

Here's a Prehistoric Map for reference.

 

[Riva]

If I remember correctly Belgarath said they had a god but he just doesn't remember who. Now i'll dig my Belgarath the Sorcerer from the bookshelf.. Yes i found the part he said that the village of Gara was near the borders of Tolnedra, Nyissa and Maragor and he thinks they were all the same race but he isn't sure. Then he remembers there was a temple in his village but he doesn't remember whose temple it was, Nedra's, Mara's or Issa's. He says that the lands of the arends were a little north so it is even possible that it was Chaldans temple. He is pretty sure that the temple wasn't Belars or Toraks though.

Because the people in his village were very hospitable and fed him and took care of him after his mother died I would think that they were Marags as marags are often regarded as a hospitable race. Or maybe they were a mixture of all those three or four races...

 

[Kynsilaukka]

I disagree with Riva saying the people of the village were hospitable, they weren´t very nice to him or at least I got out that image. Yet I´ve still always thought he is a marag as he used to dislike Tolnedrans who built the cities and hadn´t heard of money. I think it should be remembered that all these pre-breaking-of-the-world cultures hadn´t evolved into real cultures. I think it´s highly possible they could have been pagans or anything. maybe a mixture as Riva stated.

That map has always irritated me! It doesn´t match with the post-breaking-of-the-world map at all! It´s too long and thin, there´s a strange isthmus to nowhere in the south and none of Melcenes´ isles are in their places.

 

[isoneri]

The people of Belgarath's village weren't nice to him but only because he turned to theft to survive.

The whole point of him being the disicple of Aldur is that the God TRICKEDGarath into that service by showing him respect....remember the boulder?

 

[The Ace]

I like to think he's a Marag,although we can't be sure. The godless ones took him in during his first winter away from Gara, as he was the only child they had seen in years (remember, UL had made their women barren). So there is no connection with the godless ones. The truth is, we don't really know, especially after his long association with Aldur.

 

[Alexa]

I don't want to shock anybody, but in my opinion, he was an arend. He took 5 years to realize who was he working for. When Zedar wanted the orb for himself, he didn't suspect him at all. Not very smart those arends.

He couln't be a marag. Mara was crazy for years as he thought all his children were dead. Mara knew Belgarath and he didn't consider him as a marag in any moment.

 

[Wiggum]

I'm I just retarded, or don't I remember the Marags being of darker skin?

 

[The Ace]

Marags, like Tolnedrans and Arends were darker than Alorns. To be blunt, Zedar's tortured grammar made him almost certainly an Arend (BS) and he proved to be a lot faster than Belgarath at picking up the secret. Belgarath's slow mind is almost certainly his own.

 

[isoneri]

UL cannot have made the women barren as such, since they discover Mara(?) the women in the slave pens who tells Belgarath and Belgarion that her mum told her she was a Marag....

 

[Princess Ivy]

I don't want to shock anybody, but in my opinion, he was an arend. He took 5 years to realize who was he working for. When Zedar wanted the orb for himself, he didn't suspect him at all. Not very smart those arends.

bwahahahahaha

 

[The Ace]

UL punished the godless ones who rejected Gorim by making their women barren and they died out. The Marags were wiped out by the Tolnedrans (apart from a few sold as slaves).

 

[fiveten]

Beltira and Belkira were alorns.
Belsalmbar was agnarak.
Belmakor was melcene (godless).
Beldin was probably Tolnedran.
Belzedar was Arend.
Belgarath was probably marag. Gara = marag with no m and backwords.
Beldurnik was sendar.

No Nyissans?

 

[Steffi]

I think there is no Nyissan 'cos if Aldur tried to call a disciple from there, they would have been too befuddled to know what was happening......

 

[devilsgrin]

Considering that most of garath's childhood is a mish-mash of destiny's tampering it would be very difficult to place him racially. I personally don't think he was a Marag...The father of his female playmate thrashed him...does not sound like something that would happen in a marag society, it may have been only early days, but Mara's fertility tampering would have been evident from the beginning. I often thought of Belgarath as having been Tolnedran. But i do have a suspicion that he really was Alorn... Polgara is described as looking almost exactly like Velvet/Liselle and she is Drasnian. This may be a result of Poledra taking on an Alorn body whilst human, but Belgarath was just as likely. He has too many Alorn traits from childhood... the least being his affinity for ale...

 

[SmoothasSilk]

I think that Belgarath was neither! Although he has the personality traits of an Alorn, I think that he was just someone from a non existent race in Garions time.

It would be like a Amorite or a Canaanite being in today's world. They'd LOOK familiar but you couldn't put your finger on exactly WHERE they came from.