Logical things that won't happen... or Debunking obvious plotlines.

[Raven]

Edd:

fair enough, but I'm sure they could dissolve them if they really wanted to. After all, the man who is king can change or break laws - is so very far to go from that to changing and breaking laws to make a king?

Indeed not. Many Kings are made that way.

I do suspect, however, that Jon won't break his vows, not because he cannot, but because he will not.

That's because he knows/believes he's a *******. He refused mostly because he knows he's not a true stark, that he has no RIGHT to Winterfell. If he were to find out he was the trueborn son of Rhaegar + Lyana, who knows?

Not really. Stannis' offer was not just to make him a Lord, but remove the taint of bastardy. Had Jon accepted, he would have been made a true Stark, at least as far as Stannis' forces were concerned.

Jon refuses for two reasons: one, that Stannis requires him to renounce the Old Gods, and two, that he realises that you are who you are, and there's no point in wanting to be someone else. Really, though, both are the same reason: he decides to be true to himself.

If, in the end, he can be King while still doing that, I could see him accepting the crown. But I think being in the NW is now such a large part of who Jon is, and that he has accepted it to such a large degree, that he will remain there by choice.

Which brings me to the viewing of danny’s in the house of the undying, when she she's Rahegar, A woman, and a baby he names Aegon. He says this baby is the "prince that was promised".

GRRM has confirmed that these three are Rhaegar, Elia and Aegon, btw.

 

[Dolorous Edd]

I doubt Jon will become king either, but i suspect he'll be offered it but refuse. If, however, he IS Rhaegar's son (probably even if he isn't), I can see him becoming sort of a supreme commander for the duration of the war however, as he's got something to offer every faction.





The North - He's of the North, brought up by Ned Stark. Even if he isn't really his son, he still has much of Ned in him. Northmen would follow him.



The East - Littlefinger rules in the Vale now, and Sansa is probably his only weakness. As jon's sister she could sway the vale to follow him.



The West - From the cersei spoiler chapter it seems like kevan lannister is going to be holding the reins of the west (I can't see Cersei leaving the court). He's always struck me as a sensible, honourable fellow. He'll see what needs to be done and will see in Jon a man who can accomplish it.



Highgarden - They were loyal to the Targaryen's to the end in the war. If jon is rhaegar's trueborn son they would follow him.



Dorne - Same as above.



Danny - He's her nephew, and would be heir had things turned out differently. She's proud, but i suspect she'll come to see that Jon knows more of Warfare than herself and will put her forces at his disposal. Even more likely if they become romantically involved.



Ironmen - They have no respect for birth, blood, or money. They respect only martial prowess. The Ironmen have a foothold in the North, i suspect they will eventually try to subdue or come into contact with the Wall and the Watch. If Jon were to slay some of their best (theons uncles for example) they may follow him.



Stannis - trickiest one. He's too stiff necked to bow. He claims he doesn’t want the throne for himself, but that it's his by rights as roberts heir - bollox, he's a sour ******* whose never forgiven robert for handing storms end to renley and "banishing" him to dragonstone. I suspect mellisandre will kill him/betray him. Davos will lead what’s left of stannis' strength and support jon.



Everyone - He's a sworn brother of the night's watch. Not only is this fight what they exist for, but Jon cannot (or should not) be able to take the throne, so there's no risk with placing so much power under his command.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

The East - Littlefinger rules in the Vale now, and Sansa is probably his only weakness. As jon's sister she could sway the vale to follow him.

If, that is, Sansa were able to pull her head out and see that being a ******* is forgivable. Her time spent pretending to be a ******* in the Eyrie could be handy in that respect.

 

[Dolorous Edd]

If, that is, Sansa were able to pull her head out and see that being a ******* is forgivable. Her time spent pretending to be a ******* in the Eyrie could be handy in that respect.

I never saw Sansa's comments about "My ******* brother Jon" as being scathing, or critical. He IS her brother and, as far as she knows, he IS a *******. She was just being perfectly correct, as a good little Lady should be.

 

[red_temple]

Any chance that Jon could accept the crown and still remain on the wall with the Night's Watch? In other owrds, he'd still be a sworn brother, but also king of Westeros. Call him "King on the Wall," if you will.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Any chance that Jon could accept the crown and still remain on the wall with the Night's Watch? In other owrds, he'd still be a sworn brother, but also king of Westeros. Call him "King on the Wall," if you will.

It's doubtful. King's Landing really is the best place from which to rule, being somewhat in the middle of things. Ruling from the Wall would not be very stable.

 

[Dolorous Edd]

It's doubtful. King's Landing really is the best place from which to rule, being somewhat in the middle of things. Ruling from the Wall would not be very stable.

You never know, the war could end without the other's being totally defeated, maybe they'll simply stop at the neck, their sway extended to cover the North. Maybe their gradually advancing soutwards every 10,000 years or so.

Build a new wall across that narrow strip of land below the neck, rule from riverrun!

 

[red_temple]

Build a new wall across that narrow strip of land below the neck, rule from riverrun!

And let the Others ravage Walder Frey and the Twins!!! Sweet!!!

 

[Culhwch]

But the Frey's are on the south side of the Neck, Red, and thus covered by any such New Wall. You might have to settle for old Walder being forced to take the black, and swear off the ladies...