Arya Possibilities

She could get that cat that runs around the Red Keep to kill Cersei.
 
Mayhaps I should have put a smiley face after my post... or mayhaps you should have.

Okay, I'm alluding to the possibility that Arya turns a direwolf or dragon against it's owner.

Is that enough of a shocker for ya?

I admit that it's far fetched... but what the heck. It's not like Aegon the Unworthy, Arya Underfoot, Deanna Belle, Dolorous Edd, red temple, and Trey Greyjoy post here anymore.... so who is there to stop us from posting preposterous opinions?
 
I don't foresee that happening for several reasons.

One, Arya will have a difficult time regaining the loyalty of her *own* direwolf, much less suborning that of another.

Secondly, who? The only possessing links to semi-mystical beasts are her siblings and Daenerys. Arya is hardly likely to screw over her own brothers and her beloved Jon. It is possible that she could exert some sort of negative influence over the dragons, who are already slipping out from Dany's control, but it is more likely she'd be burnt and eaten first.

Thirdly, who ever said she had animal mind control powers to begin with? I understand her wolf dreams are somewhat mystical in nature, but so are all dreams in the world of ASOIAF. Her wolf dreams are tied to her wolf, Nymeria specifically, not all dire wolves or other animals at all, so why should this be an indication of anything other than she is a Stark at heart and remains connected to her origins and identity despite the training of the House of Black and White?
 
You think Arya is getting Nymeria back?

Can it be proved that Weese's bitch was not a semi-mythical beast in the first place? Wait, don't answer that.

The above is all conjecture, but your third point is right along the lines of one of ASOIAF' major themes... fidelity.

The bonds of loyalty and obedience are strongly put upon the denizens of Westeros. Crown, house, region, fraternity, and religion all vie for people's ultimate loyalty. A person may be born into loyalty, but that person may choose to switch allegiances... and sometimes is even encouraged to switch by his own family.

To remain in good stead with the Iron Throne, Lord Tywin, Cersei, the Kingsguard, and the Church, Jaime has had to make numerous choices. He told Catelyn, "So many vows... they make you swear and swear. Defend the king. Obey the king. Keep his secrets. Do his bidding. Your life for his. But obey your father. Love your sister. Protect the innocent. Defend the weak. Respect the gods. Obey the laws. It's too much. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or another."

Barristan, Jon, Jorah, Arys, Jaime, Tyrion, Robb, Roose, Theon, Aemon, Mance, Renly, and many others have their vows and oaths put to the test. This can be summed up in Jaime's next to last chapter in ASOS...
"It's not Ser Donnel the Constant who concerns me. It's you." Jaime leaned forward. "What will you do if brave Ser Donnel give his sword to yet another usurper, and one day comes storming into the throne room? And there you stand all in white, between your king and your blood. What will you do?"

"I... my lord, that will never happen."

"It happened to me," Jaime said.

Swann wiped his brow with the sleefve of his white tunic.

"You have no answer?"

"My lord." Ser Balon drew himself up. "On my sword, on my honor, on my father's name, I swear... I shall not do as you did."
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Balon swore to kill his own brother if he defied Tommen. The Old Bear and Jon stayed at the Wall while their kin were murdered at the Twins. Arys forsook his vows and followed Arianne into treason. Victarion swore to himself to kill Euron, but ended up serving him. Who can say what allegiance Arya will adhere to when push comes to shove?

Ever since the moment that Ser Meryn Trant came for her, Arya's allegiances have been only for her survival. Her friendships with Gendry and Hot Pie and her relationships with the killers Jaqen and Sandor were about survival. You could argue her last demand of Jaqen served House Stark... but it served her as well.

Jon has learned repeatedly that his allegiances to House Stark are done with. He is a man of the Night's Watch body and soul. He's bled for them. He's killed for them. He's lied for them. He's forsworn himself for them... and he's returned with his allegiance intact. What will he say to Arya when she asks him to assist her in revenge? He'll stay troubled and keep his vows, ******* that he is.

Arya, if she holds any affinity for House Stark after her indoctrination in the House of Black and White, will not graduate. The old man has some supernatural ability to know her mind... She'll stay as an acolyte or become a practice target for a more devoted student. If she graduates, I believe that Arya will put the interests of the Faceless Men above those of House Stark.

I spoke above of loyalty. Loyalty breeds obedience. How can Arya be obedient to Jon, Sansa, Bran, Rickon, Brynden, or Jeyne if she possesses no loyalty to them?

It seems that the Stark children have stronger ties to their direwolves than Dany has with her dragons. Mayhaps this is because they have one pet each while she must divide her attention and efforts between three. Mayhaps this is because dragons are larger, more intelligent, more magical, and more indpendent than direwolves. It seems from the Dany preview chapter of ADWD that the dragons are on the brink of being beyond Dany's control. This might make it easier for a Faceless Man to turn one on Dany... also this might make it impossible for a Faceless Man to even begin this process. I dunno.

Just rambling thoughts.
 
Yes, Arya is all about survival. And the House of Black and White is all about death. Arya would have to die in order to "graduate" and a Faceless Man would be born. The old man has said this, but not in so many words. I don't think she could, or would, give herself up, not totally, which is what the House of the Many Faced God demands. The episode with Needle supports this. I am thinking she will learn all she can from them, enough to survive, and then leave, as she has done with all the people she has encountered since she was separated from her true pack. House Stark. That's just my interpretation of Arya and her story arc.
 
Well, Arya just might turn a dragon against its master if she first gains control and we all know who has a certain little horn that can do exactly that.

And, Boaz, why are some of your posts so damn long! Is that the fine line between upstanding posters and loons like me? My simlley face: ;)
 
The horn also burns out your lungs. So if it kills the person who sounds it, and the person who sounds it is assumed to be the person who gains control of the dragons, where does that leave us? Exactly nowhere. I think it highly probable a Valyrian could blow the horn and live, but Arya is nowhere close to a Valyrian. The only likely candidates for that are Dany herself, and Jon. Boaz would hold out for Tyrion, but he's too much of a lion for me to ever be convinced otherwise.
 
TSW, you may have hit that one on the head.

The other possibility is that there is some lost lore somewhere, possibly still in Old Valyria that can unlock the mystery of the horn. Coincidently it is where Euron claims he found it and we have also speculated for long that Dany will make the trip to Valyria in order to learn how to better control her growing dragons. One of them dying may speed this trip up.
 
I'm of a mind to say that her blindness is going to help her learn the warg abilities better. Bran learned so quickly because he was near his Summer, Rickon , and Shaggydog, but also because he was bed ridden. He slept a lot and spent most of his waking hours daydreaming.

Arya will learn to warg now that she is blind. She even has an advatage - the Faceless Men teach you to use all your senses. "Listen with your ears." I think we could also say "Warg with your spirit." I do think she will be the first Stark to meet Dany, tho. If not her then Sansa, b/c the Eyrie is the perfect spot to touch down if you have dragons on your side.
 
I think the only real reason that I have for thinking Tyrion is a Targaryen is that I think it's the one and only remotely plausible future plot revelation that I have figured out on my own. I'm so proud of my baby.

I'd like Arya getting Drogon to Dany or Ghost to kill Jon to be my second baby...
 
Where you drunk, smoking heavily, and tripped out on mutagenic substances while pregnant? Because those are some truly ugly babies. Just saying.
 
Today's half-baked idea....

In George Lucas' epic saga of socio-religio-geo-poli-racial struggle, one person stood as the cornrestone of the story... a person upon the hopes of the galaxy rested. I read or heard Lucas say something like, "Star Wars could be subtitled The Redemption of Anakin Skywalker."

Let me state right now that I am not drunk... I do know that this thread is about Arya Stark.

Okay...

Both Anakin and Arya desired martial training when they were nine years old. Both of them lost their first masters (Qui Gon and Syrio) to combat. Both of them were motivated by vengeance. Both have both seen their mothers' dead bodies. Both were tempted into murder by masters of dark forces (Sidious and Jaqen). Both had difficulty in accepting formal training from their second masters (Obi Won and the Kindly Old Man).

Both have the initials... A.S.

I can't really go farther because Arya's story is incomplete... or has it already been predicted in Star Wars? Anakin was frustrated, learned to hate, committed murder, fell to the Dark Side, became feared by all, and was ultimately redeemed by a family member...

A Song of Ice and Fire: The Redemption of Arya Stark.
 
I think that Arya will bravely (and foolishly) oppose Dany initially, but the two will recognise something of themselves in the other and develop a grudging respect. Arya would be a very powerful champion and useful ally with all this training she's going through. Now that I think about it, there are quite a few similarities between their characters: stubbornness; determination; a desire for vengeance (and a willingness to go to great lengths to achieve it); and that previously mentioned link with their animals. Actually, I can see some of those similarities in Asha Greyjoy as well - Asha, Dany and Arya, there's your three heads of the dragon right there! I know that's a billion per cent unlikely, but how awesome would that be?

I believe that, as someone else mentioned, each of the Stark children (except for Rickon possibly, but who knows what's going on there) has the potential to become an extremely influential figure in Westeros. Jon's an excellent captain, Sansa will most likely be an intelligent and subtle politician (particularly as an ambassador/negotiator), Arya will be a crazy fighter and Bran will be some kind of magician/seer/advisor. Poor Rickon, there's really not much room left for him...although every family needs its black sheep...

Anyway, I think that Arya will somehow be reunited with her family through Dany. The Starks will become an integral part of Dany's forces but still retain some level of independence - just don't ask me how. And I think Arya will ultimately be the one to put down Lady Stoneheart.
 
But how will she come to see them as allies in the first place, you sprightly wench?
 
I see one major difference between Anakin and Arya: that Arya is the product of a masterful writer in the midst of telling a complex, truly epic, fantasy of the highest order, while Anakin is the product of a no-talent hack called George Lucas who isn't fit to spit-shine GRRM's shoes. If I ever have to imagine the words Anakin and Arya in the same sentence again, I'll be forced to visualize Anakin in the role of the Tickler. Now there's a lovely scene...

Yes, I loathe Star Wars - even more so when considering that many writers like GRRM have to wait a lifetime for recognition (or even beyond their lifetime), while schmucks like Lucas revel in billions for vomiting up the likes of Jar-jar binks and crapping out scripts that an eight-year-old might have second thoughts about. To quote a favourite tv series of mine (Spaced), "it's nothing but a trumped up fireworks display of a toy advert."

wow, it feels good to have a Lucas-rant. Must've been a while.

I do agree though, Boaz, that the prospect of Arya ultimately killing Dany or Jon seems somehow 'on the cards'. Of course, I'd like to think that if Arya was sent to assassinate the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, only to find it's Jon (while Jon is being told that in order to forge the true Lightbringer he must sacrifice someone he loves, i.e: Arya), that they'd both just say, "Nah. We're Stark kids" and just blow the whole thing off. Wishful thinking I know.:(
 
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