Povs

I'll start a list:


Winterfell:

Ned Stark
Jon Snow
Arya
Sansa
Catelyn
Bran

The Wall:

Samwell Tarley

Lannisters:

Tyrion
Jaime
Cersei


Misc:

Onion Knight
Brienne

...
 
You are lucky I enjoy making lists (don't ask) otherwise I'd ask why you couldn't do it yourself!!! ;)

Excluding prologues & epilogues, here are the POV's in order of appearance:

A Game of Thrones

Bran
Catelyn
Daenerys
Eddard
Jon
Arya
Tyrion
Sansa

A Clash of Kings

Arya
Sansa
Tyrion
Bran
Jon
Catelyn
Davos
Theon
Daenerys

A Storm of Swords 1: Steel & Snow

Jaime
Arya
Tyrion
Davos
Sansa
Jon
Daenerys
Bran
Catelyn
Samwell

A Storm of Swords 2: Blood & Gold

Daenerys
Arya
Jaime
Catelyn
Samwell
Jon
Tyrion
Davos
Bran
Sansa

A Feast for Crows

The Prophet (Aeron Damphair)
The Captain of the Guards (Hotah)
Cersei
Brienne
Samwell
Arya
Jaime
Sansa
The Kraken's Daughter (Asha Greyjoy)
The Soiled Knight (Ser Arys Oakheart)
The Iron Captain (Victarion Greyjoy)
The Drowned Man (Aeron Damphair)
The Queenmaker (Arianne Martell)
Alayne (Sansa)
The Reaver (Victarion Greyjoy)
Cat of the Canals (Arya)
The Princess in the Tower (Arianne Martell)

Hope this satisfies anyones need on this topic.

:)
xx
 
Adasunshine said:
You are lucky I enjoy making lists (don't ask) otherwise I'd ask why you couldn't do it yourself!!! ;)

Excluding prologues & epilogues, here are the POV's in order of appearance:

A Game of Thrones

Bran
Catelyn
Daenerys
Eddard
Jon
Arya
Tyrion
Sansa

A Clash of Kings

Arya
Sansa
Tyrion
Bran
Jon
Catelyn
Davos
Theon
Daenerys

A Storm of Swords 1: Steel & Snow

Jaime
Arya
Tyrion
Davos
Sansa
Jon
Daenerys
Bran
Catelyn
Samwell

A Storm of Swords 2: Blood & Gold

Daenerys
Arya
Jaime
Catelyn
Samwell
Jon
Tyrion
Davos
Bran
Sansa

A Feast for Crows

The Prophet (Aeron Damphair)
The Captain of the Guards (Hotah)
Cersei
Brienne
Samwell
Arya
Jaime
Sansa
The Kraken's Daughter (Asha Greyjoy)
The Soiled Knight (Ser Arys Oakheart)
The Iron Captain (Victarion Greyjoy)
The Drowned Man (Aeron Damphair)
The Queenmaker (Arianne Martell)
Alayne (Sansa)
The Reaver (Victarion Greyjoy)
Cat of the Canals (Arya)
The Princess in the Tower (Arianne Martell)

Hope this satisfies anyones need on this topic.

:)
xx
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Good Job!
 
Not sure why anyone would want the list, but it reminded me of a question that came up while I was read FEAST. Why did Martin move from just naming the POV person to creating titles for some? I know Victarion, Arya, and Sansa changed names/titles in the book but why did he break from his traditional style in this book?

Just curious as to if anyone knew the reasoning behind this.

snow
 
So far, GRRM has written a prologue to every book, introducing us to a new character (POV) who summarily meets a wicked end. (Beauty that, nice gimmick).

In my read, the naming of POV chapters in AFFC allows GRRM to accomplish two divergent purposes:

(1) Communicate developing changes in well-known characters (Sansa=Alayne & Ayra=Cat of Canals), and

(2) Communicate distant, behind-the-scenes storylines using minor POV characters without concocting some ridiculous rationale for getting a major POV character nearby to tell the story (e.g., Cat's visit with Renly?).

Anyway, my $.02. Anyone else?
 
I just think the titles were a way to 'shake things up' as TK said above, but also to peer into the state of mind of these characters.
"The Prophet" because Aeron felt he was, "The Soiled Knight" etc
As for Alayne & Cat of the Canals, it shows drastic changes in that character's mindset. It shows that both girls are changing from the Arya and Sansa we knew, into something more hardened I think.

Plus, some of these PoVs will probably be no more than 5 chapters in total (the soiled knight being a good example!) whereas the other PoVs listed by name were more pivotal characters in one sense or another.
Let's face it all you Iron Islander fans out there - those characters are peripheral and probably everyone bar Theon is going to face a messy end! :)
 
The site Tower of the Hand: An Encyclopedia of Ice and Fire has the lists for all the POVs by book... just click on the books on the right side.

I revived this thread to pick up on a link to a blog. The post is called Through the Eyes of a Child and it is referring to The Most Boring Blog You'll Ever Waste Time On and it's entry ...and his is the song of ice and fire.

Here's an excerpt...

Maybe if GRRM used Catelyn as sparingly as Daenerys, she'd be a more effective character, although I realize that Catelyn is usually in a unique perspective to observe events of interest. I'm sure we could come up with a few other POVs for that. I mean, wouldn't at least one Robb chapter have been alright?

Of course, he could just give Rickon a single line chapter like Faulkner did in As I Lay Dying. I always think of that book when reading these, as it's the first book I can remember that used this narrative style of pure first person stream of consciousness with multiple POV characters and one for each chapter. It's one I liked when I first read As I Lay Dying, and one I particularly like for this series. (Although in retrospect, I realize that technically, Martin uses limited third-person and not first-person like Faulkner.)

In particular, I think it works so well and is refreshing for the fantasy genre. Martin's characters feel like real people on the whole. Yes, several do super-human things, and the kids seem to grow up exceedingly fast, but overall, the characters have real flaws and real strengths. There are very few characters that actually fit a stereotype. On the whole, the fantasy genre was too inspired by Tolkien.
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That's the meat of the blog entry.

Do you think Robb should have had a POV? What about Rickon?

I personally feel that Robb was portrayed correctly by Martin. Robb was not the central story. In most every fantasy series I've ever read, the characters of Robb and Eddard are the undisputed conquering heroes of prophecy. Well, not this time.

What is the story? Ice and Fire. We're still not exactly sure what that means... Jon? Jon and Dany? R'hllor and The Other? Stannis and The Other? Direwolves and Dragons? The secondary story, although it appears to be the primary story, is the struggle for the Iron Throne. The major players are Robert, Cersei, Eddard, Littlefinger, Varys, Tywin, Tyrion, Jaime, Joffrey, Myrcella, Tommen, Stannis, Renly, Olenna, Mace, Margaery, Balon, Euron, Victarion, Robb, Doran, Walder, Roose, Viserys, and Daenerys... plus hundreds of lesser pieces in this grand game of thrones.

Of the actual kings and claimants (Robert, Joffrey, Tommen, Stannis, Renly, Robb, Balon, Euron, Viserys, Myrcella, and Daenerys) only Dany has her own POV. Not even Maester Aemon had his own POV. I think Martin does this intentionally to keep the story at a more personal level... less lofty. We see all of these through the eyes of their lieutenants and families... very interesting. Martin is able to keep mysteries going and going by not showing us the minds of Stannis, Euron, and Robb. In contrast, the only things we know of Dany is the vision she has of herself. We might see Dany in a totally different light if we'd been going off Jorah's POV the entire time.

Giving Robb a POV would have demystified him. Would it have been interesting to have been in the Whispering Wood or in Jeyne's bed when Robb received word of his brother's deaths? Sure, but the tension is heightened to get news of these events from Catelyn's perspective. In my opinion, the four teenage POVs from Sam, Sansa, Jon, and Dany are more than enough.

As for Rickon... we might get a POV from him... he's still young. We waited until the second book to get Theon's POV, until the third book for Jaime's, and until the fourth for Cersei's.
 
Do you think, Boaz, that years will pass before the series finishes? Because I think Rickon is too young to have a POV.
 
HJ, Originally, Martin wanted to put five years between books three and four. Five years would put Rickon as old as Arya... old enough to have a POV.

I think the five year gap still must come into play before he can plunge into the final acts. Speculation is that the five year gap will come after ADWD. I think Wert has probably posted something to this effect somewhere, but I don't know where.
 
I've always felt that quite a few characters are going to need a five year gap in order to make their development more realistic. Arya certainly going to become an assassin in a few months. Dany isn't going to become a truly great leader in a few months, either. If Rickon is going to be a part of the story at all then he needs a few more years as well. If Sam becoming a maester is important to the story then he's going to need time. I'm sure there are other examples. Anyway, my point is that a five year gap would handle all of these issues without wandering over into Jordan territory where important characters become powerful sorcerors/warriors/etc in about a quarter (or less!) of the time that it should take.
 
Agreed... Sam, Dany, and Arya will all benefit from five years of preparation. But what about Stannis and Doran? I don't think they'll make it five years.

Sansa, Jaime, Sandor, and Margaery will also benefit from preparation.
 
I agree that it would be necessary but it is also going to be very strange. After so much close involvement with the characters and the books showing events right on the heels of the previous, the gap will feel odd. It will probably take a little bit of reading to reconnect to the characters. I know GRRM is masterful in his characterization, so they won't be the same characters after five years. It'll take a bit for us to get to know the new Arya, the new Sansa, etc.
 
All the Stark kids should be fairly new... but I'd expect Stannis, Varys, Littlefinger, and Cersei to be the same.
 
Is GRRM still sticking to the five year gap, though?

AFFC and ADWD cover approximately the same timeframe. The one we've been able to read (AFFC) describes events in detail that were, I suppose, going to be no more than mentioned (or dealt with in flashbacks) in the book set five years later. But now that all these threads have been left hanging loose (e.g. Cersei in her current predicament), it would be more than odd to leave the "resolutions" to brief mentions in the book that will follow ADWD.


Or am I missing something?
 
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