Bran's Warg status...

[JohnSnow]

In re-reading aSoS recently I came across the part where Jojen Reed is explaining to Bran what the three-eyed crow could teach him once they traveled beyond the wall. He explained that there are those who can "warg" into more than just one animal. That led me to thinking. What would the chance be that at some point Bran would be able to assume control of one of Daenerys' dragons?

Although this seemed corny to me, I have to admit a scene with Drogon cleaning house with Bran behind the wheel would be entertaining!

Any other suppositions out there about where Bran's ability may lead??

Just curious, and sorry if this was brought up a while ago.

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[Winters_Sorrow]

It was mentioned in another thread ages ago, but hasn't got one of it's own.

I suppose he would be able to enter the mind of one of Dany's dragons although I'm not sure how much actual *control* he has over them. His warg's into Summer have mainly just been as a passenger.

Interestingly, Arya also shows elements of this at a more unconscious level with her 'wolf dreams' - the only other Stark to do so, as I understand it.

 

[Culhwch]

Well, if you mean Stark as in trueborn, yeah, but Jon had a wargish dream beyond the Wall, when Ghost was looking on Mance's camp and was attacked by the eagle.

 

[JohnSnow]

I suppose he would be able to enter the mind of one of Dany's dragons although I'm not sure how much actual *control* he has over them. His warg's into Summer have mainly just been as a passenger.

I agree, but because Bran wasn't in aFfC there really hasn't been much time/training for him, yet it seems like forvever since we last saw him in action. I wonder what will take place in aDwD, what will his gift turn into.

The Stark name will take on new meaning with Jon being joined by Arya with her training and Bran with his. Throw in rabid little Rickon or an outsider Hodor and you have a sort of freakish Fantastic Four!

I guess in my OP I should have changed the question to better serve my curiosity. What I should have asked is; does Bran taking control of a dragon seem too corny for Martin? In a way it seems too corny for a story that he has tried to keep fairly realistic event-wise.

Then again a FrankenClegane seems corny too me as well.

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[AryaUnderfoot]

I don't know if Bran taking control of the dragon is what will happen. Perhaps he'll simply be able to keep the dragons in check... those of you who read the Daenerys spoiler chapter (which is now up on GRRM's page, I believe), will know what I'm talking about.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

yes...we do...*wink*

 

[TK-421]

In ASoS, who was the changeling that transformed into the eagle and spied out Jon when he was making his way to the wildlings camp? Could this have any possible future connection with Bran and his wargging-out? I believe that the secret for Bran lies somewhere with the Others.

As to Bran, controlling a dragon would be cool only if he gets there before Euron Crow's Eye does with his dragon horn.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

there's no way we could know that the dragon would work. Apparently it requires one to sacrifice one's life to blow it and there's no guarantee that Euron or his cronies even know how to use it correctly, after all the Valyrian wizards who created it have been dead for thousands of years.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

In ASoS, who was the changeling that transformed into the eagle and spied out Jon when he was making his way to the wildlings camp? Could this have any possible future connection with Bran and his wargging-out? I believe that the secret for Bran lies somewhere with the Others.

I believe it was Rattleshirt. He had a connection with the eagle, but he didn't transform into the eagle. He died, and the part of him that was with the eagle remained there- thus the eagle's reason for hating Jon and attacking him.

 

[Dolorous Edd]

Rattleshirt's still alive, isn't he? It was some unimportant character who was one of the watchers with yigritte. When Jon killed him he fled to his partner's body.

 

[Barristan the Bold]

The comments are interesting speculation but a little out there (although I guess anything is possible). I'm figuring that eventually Bran takes over Hodor's body permanently. You then end up with a child-giant warg able to fill whatever role GRRM intends Bran to play north of the Wall.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

The comments are interesting speculation but a little out there (although I guess anything is possible). I'm figuring that eventually Bran takes over Hodor's body permanently. You then end up with a child-giant warg able to fill whatever role GRRM intends Bran to play north of the Wall.

I dunno- Bran seems to have some qualms about that. Neither he nor Hodor like it very much, and he did discuss with Jojen the moral implications of taking over another man's body and willpower.

I don't think Bran will need to have another man stand in, once he's been trained by the Children of the Forest.

 

[TK-421]

II don't think Bran will need to have another man stand in, once he's been trained by the Children of the Forest.

Ah yes, the Children. Well, they do keep getting mentioned so I suppose they should eventually show up, if they still exist. I'm hoping there's some connection here with the Others as GRRM should start to give us a bit of information as to their origins, what are they and what do they want. Imagine Bran leading an army of Others...

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Definitely not. The Others are the quintessential enemies of mankind, the terrors in the dark, foes of all that is light and good and happy. They're the equivalent of Sauron from Lord of the Rings, a fundamentally evil force that the heroes must overcome. If Bran were to join causes with the Others it would mean for him to be a lost soul, eternally damned and beyond redemption.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Besides, why would Bran be leading an army at all? Much less an army of Others?

 

[TK-421]

Besides, why would Bran be leading an army at all? Much less an army of Others?

Just playing devil's advocate I guess. If you can't beat them, join them or maybe control them...we have no idea who the Others are and what they want and if there are any connections with the Children of the Forest and the 3-eyed crow...

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

I think that the Children were the original enemies of the Others. They're the ones who developed the dragonglass weapons (which didn't serve them so well agains the First Men).

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Everything that lives and breathes is an enemy of the Others. Yes, it is posible they other motivations that we don't know about yet, but so far they have only seemed to be interested in extinguishing all life.

 

[RhaegarTarg]

When bran had this crow dream where he saw north past the wall and past the land of Always winter, there was a wall of light (possibly a wall to stop dreamers from seeing them scheming)where the world ended and when he went through it (eaisly enough) the was thwarted and basically stomped on by some unknown thing. So i think both Jon and Bran have a prett key role in destroying these others. Bran with his thrid eye of his (might useful. id like one) and Jon being of "Ice and Fire" (R + L) and also Dany. they seem to be the only ones that matter. The rest of the characters are just to keep us busy it seems. to fill it.

 

[JohnSnow]

In ASoS, who was the changeling that transformed into the eagle and spied out Jon when he was making his way to the wildlings camp? Could this have any possible future connection with Bran and his wargging-out? I believe that the secret for Bran lies somewhere with the Others.

The wildling who controlled the eagles was Orell and he was killed by Jon. But the person I was wondering about and can not remember if he is still alive is Varamyr Sixskins. The guy with the white bear, three wolves, and shadowcat. If he can/could control all five of those animals either he or someone else could teach Bran to do the same.

AU - Thanks for the reminder that the sneak peak was on Martin's page. I went and read it and all I can say is... DOH ! I had promised myself not to read any of the pre-release stuff but I had to after the earlier posts.

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