Bran's Warg status...

I think Varamyr went nuts when Melisandre set the eagle on fire and ran off or killed himself or something like that.
 
the smiling weirwood said:
Definitely not. The Others are the quintessential enemies of mankind, the terrors in the dark, foes of all that is light and good and happy. They're the equivalent of Sauron from Lord of the Rings, a fundamentally evil force that the heroes must overcome. If Bran were to join causes with the Others it would mean for him to be a lost soul, eternally damned and beyond redemption.

There is no equivalent of Sauron in ASoIaF. There is no pure evil. The Others seem completely evil, but then ... who knows? Maybe they have reasons for doing what they do, the same as any other character in the novels.

That said, I doubt that Bran will join forces with them. That would be like something out of some kind of superhero comic book. Martin has more taste. Even if the Others aren't pure evil, they are the enemies of men, especially the enemies of the men in the North.
 
Oh, there isn't? Not to imply that there should be, because I firmly believe that the real world is painted in shades of gray, but this is(as Martin himself has stated) high fantasy we are talking about here, and in such a world there IS such a thing as absolute evil. I'm not arguing with you about the Others having other motivations, that is a valid(if unlikely) point, I'd just like to point out the (possible) existence of pure evil and it's poetic uses if Martin chooses to take advantage of them. Oh, and the Others are not like the other characters in the book, because even if they do turn out out to have souls and personalities and such they are the opposites of humankind (sort of like matter and antimatter).
 
Has anybody considered that the Three-Eyed Crow may not be an actual crow? But in fact a member of the Night's Watch, refered to as 'crows' because of their black garb. The third eye therefore would represent the person's magical sight, metaphorically. At this point I rule out Jon as being the three eyed crow though he, metaphorically speaking, is one because Bran & co. went right past him on their journey north. Could this person then be that random guy in black who saved Samwell Tarly from the Others and took him to the Wall? I'm afraid thats where my theory ends though I'm sure nobody will hesitate to either take it up or rip it apart... ;)
 
Snagas Tender Blades said:
At this point I rule out Jon as being the three eyed crow though he, metaphorically speaking, is one because Bran & co. went right past him on their journey north. Could this person then be that random guy in black who saved Samwell Tarly from the Others and took him to the Wall?

Be warned Snagas this may be a spoiler but just by your asking it would seem you read the part I might be spoiling, anyhow, the "random guy in black" was Jon's uncle he had been looking for (I forget the uncles name).
 
Snagas Tender Blades said:
Has anybody considered that the Three-Eyed Crow may not be an actual crow? But in fact a member of the Night's Watch, refered to as 'crows' because of their black garb.

I always assumed it was a member/ex-member of the Nights Watch... I just took it as standard. I never once assumed it was actually a Three-Eyed Crow but a human with the ability to see.

I didn't know anyone else thought otherwise... Interesting, very interesting...

As for Jon and Bran's uncle Jaxom, his name is Benjen and it's discussed elsewhere that Coldhands is Benjen... Here you go A character i can't wait to see more of

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remember when he ''fell'' he dreamt of an actual crow telling him to fly, would that have anything to do with it, because benjen was still save behind the wall at that time.
 
Im confused, Im not trying to say its not but could someone lay out the actual facts that leads you to believe Coldhands and Benjen Stark are one and the same. I dont see it but Im more than a little obtuse at times....

Like the time I saw a sign that said "Danger-Road Under Water" and thought that meant a road was cleverly designed underneath the flooding ahead, like a tunnel....dont worry nothing bad happened
 
JohnSnow said:
The wildling who controlled the eagles was Orell and he was killed by Jon. But the person I was wondering about and can not remember if he is still alive is Varamyr Sixskins. The guy with the white bear, three wolves, and shadowcat. If he can/could control all five of those animals either he or someone else could teach Bran to do the same.

*snow*

Orell didnt really die from my understanding (well physically yes) but was living inside Varamyr's mind. When Orell's body was slain by Jon Snow his spirit remained in the eagle, Varamyr took control of the eagle later on and in doing so took the "spirit" or whatever you want to call it from Orell into his mind as well.

When Melsyadra (however you spell the Stannis' fire witch) set the Eagle that Varamyr was controlling on fire it did something to Varamyr...he was screaming and writhing on the ground..however, the last mention I could find of him was that he was crawling away. This was during the battle at the wall though and Stannis and the Crows were ravaging the wildlings....however, many of the wildlings did escape so it is very possible that Varamyr is alive. My guess is he made it but nothing to indicate that is so yet.

VM
 
Jaqen VM said:
Orell didnt really die from my understanding (well physically yes) but was living inside Varamyr's mind. When Orell's body was slain by Jon Snow his spirit remained in the eagle, Varamyr took control of the eagle later on and in doing so took the "spirit" or whatever you want to call it from Orell into his mind as well.VM

exactly. Orell was the original owner of the eagle and possibly warg/animal controller whatever. After Jon killed Orell the eagle was always around following him and even attacked him just before Snow met Mance. My thought is that there are a lot of free folk with the ability to "control" other creatures, Varamyr could just be one of them as well.

*snow*
 

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