Newbie post a thread: Least favorite death

[Wiggum]

Hi all. I'm a nOOb. But I've enjoyed reading this forum, so I thought I'd stop lurking. If this is an old thread idea that has been rehashed more often then (insert good analogy here), I apologize.


Obviously one of the most wonderful, and trying things about this
series is the here today, gone tomorrow aspects of some of the main
and secondary characters of the books. I've lent the series to
several people and I always give them two warnings. Firstly, when you
begin, let yourself be confused by the amount of characters, families
and feudal relationships. It will eventually become clear. Second,
don't become too attached to any one character, because they may not
be around in the next chapter. The second I give moreso to peak
interest than too actually warn against any emotional
commitment....so what were the deaths that hit you the most? My list
may be a bit odd, as they are all seconday characters, but....

1. Old Bear Mormont - A man of the Night's Watch beyond all others.
Any warmth you felt while reading about The Wall in the intitial
books was given by his light. Old, wise and steady, had he died in
another, more honorable way I would have felt differently. But slain
by his own wards and brothers in the pit that was Craster's Keep, it
ripped my heart out.

2. Ygritte - She taught Jon his humanity, and she was touched by
fire. There was such a simple and beautiful thing in their
relationship. Her mantra, "You know nothing Jon Snow", is till my
favorite line out of all four books. Jon's my favorite character out
of the series, which he became due to his time his Ygritte and her
crooked teeth and red hair.

3. The Red Viper of Dorne - If there was one person who was
concurently an anthesis to Renly, but yet his equal in charisma, it
was the Red Viper. I wanted him to live for two reasons; I wanted
the Mountain dead, lol. But more importantly I wanted him to lead
Dorne

 

[Leer Baratheon]

I actually screamed when Robb died. I could not believe it -- or the entire Red Wedding scene in general. After AGoT, I was never really suprised by people dying except for the Red Wedding. That blew my mind.

I was also not happy about Syrio dying... but we don't really know if he's truly dead...

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

First off Wiggum, let me say welcome. As a fellow newbie let me say this is nice forum with no flames. Someone told me I was wrong once, thats about it

Least favorite death?....you know who really saddened me....Rodrick Cassel (sp?)..boy did that guy get screwed over. First Jory dies (which also saddened me more than Ill say, because of the nobility of the way he died), then his grand daughter's life is held over his head if he does his duty. The oddest part was you knew as the reader he wasnt going to recuse himself and not do his duty. I dont remember if she died though...but boy did that guy get hosed for being loyal.

 

[Wiggum]

The Red Wedding was one of the best parts of any of the books, if not the best. But it was more surprise for me, than actually caring about Robb. He was Cat's son, and it showed. I cared more about Great Jon and Little Jon than I did about Robb at the Red Wedding.

A lot of this comes from his marraige, but another part comes from the Stark's inability to function within the world they're in. None of the Starks that have died were able to adapt to the environs they were in. Those that are alive...we'll see.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

The Red Wedding was one of the best parts of any of the books, if not the best. But it was more surprise for me, than actually caring about Robb. He was Cat's son, and it showed. I cared more about Great Jon and Little Jon than I did about Robb at the Red Wedding.

A lot of this comes from his marraige, but another part comes from the Stark's inability to function within the world they're in. None of the Starks that have died were able to adapt to the environs they were in. Those that are alive...we'll see.

Interesting idea...Implicit in what youre saying is the condemnation by Martin of the nobility of Ned and Robb. I got to tell you, I hope thats not why Martin had Robb killed off. Ned and Robb are the kind of person I want to be, and I would like my child to grow into. Duty-bound tempered by compassion, loyalty and mercy in equal parts....I love those guys. By your reasoning though Jorah died for the same reason (he seemed pretty similar to Ned, hence Jons instant father-figure attachment to him)

Just questioning yer reasoning there....

 

[Culhwch]

Jeor, not Jorah... That one stumped me for a minute ('Jorah similar to Ned...?'). And Syrio is definitely dead. Definitely. I'm sure of it. Almost.

I have to agree, the 'lesser' deaths at the Red Wedding had as much if not more impact for me than those of Robb and Cat - the Smalljon, Dacey Mormont, and Robb's other sworn swords, dying unarmed, valiantly and in vain for their lord.... The glorious youth of the North, decimated in one fell swoop. Though don't worry, Wiggum, the Greatjon is just a captive, not dead.

And I hated it when Ned died. I'm still too emotional to talk about it.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Thanks Cul, got the two confused....yes Jorah is not like Ned...and Jeor is....yup...

the lesson as always; stay in school.

 

[TomServo]

The deaths of Robb and Catelyn hit me pretty hard. I know there is a lot of Catelyn hating out there but I could never hate her. It was more of pity for me. I understand how people can get fed up with her constant sorrow, but when it ended it made it all that much more powerful for me. Putting myself in her shoes and having everything you love and hold dear ripped away from you would be unbearably hard. Seeing all this happen made me simpathize(sp?) with her for every blow she was delt. As for Robb, it was like seeing Ned die all over again with the added "fall" of the North (which I was always rooting for, the north to be victorious that is). To top it all off it was that ******* Frey who took center stage. I hope the curse of guest right kicks him in his wrinkled old ass and it is drawn out and painful. (And Frey is only the number three antagonist on my drawn out suffering list) At least my number one kicked the bucket a couple chapters later . Maybe we should start a favorite deaths thread!

 

[Boaz]

Wig, good topic.

TServo, I see your points on Catelyn... in the beginning I really sympathized with her, but later after getting some Lannister POVs, well... call me a hater.

1. Dacey Mormont. Tall, graceful, athletic, with a zest for life... too bad.

2. Maester Aemon. I really wanted him to come full circle and actually meet Dany and to figure out that Jon and Tyrion are really Targs.

3. Eddard Stark. He was marked for death from the beginning, but to die 2/3 of the way through the first book was a shock to me. Ned was foolish in "the Game of Thrones."

4. Tywin Lannister. He was the "Kingmaker" of ASOIAF. He was the most skilled player, the most ambitious, the most ruthless... I fully expected him to be around to resist Dany.

5. Tyrion Lannister.

 

[Wiggum]

Tywin's death certainly took me aback, but I loved it just for the impact it had on me when I read it.

I probably went over those pages 3 or 4 times to make sure it actually happened.

 

[Mouse]

Jory, Robb. That dim fella, Paul was it? Small Paul? Tall Paul? I forget. He was trying to help Sam then all of a sudden he's dead, he's a wight! Felt sorry for him!

 

[YOSSARIAN]

5. Tyrion Lannister.

If Tyrion ever dies a small, deformed, and spunky part of my soul will die with him.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Ygritte? Did I hear someone mourning Ygritte? What do you mean she taught Jon his humanity? She taught him pain and passion and some good moves in bed. I danced for joy when she died. She was one thing I could see Jon breaking his vows for. I'm glad she died.

 

[Wiggum]

She taught him pain and passion and some good moves in bed.

I'll give you that the over arching term of "humanity" may be too broad, but I think your statement above reflects exactly what I was saying.

 

[YOSSARIAN]

I was glad Ygritte was removed from the story-so I guess I'm glad she's dead, even though that is a bit callous. Oberyn is the character I was sad to see die. Renly too, just because I wanted see him and Loras become the two queens of the new fabulous Westeros.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

To Wiggum, there are a lot of passionate people who are good in bed but are horrible people, that's not necessarily "humanity"

To Yossarian, hmm...Kind of like "Queer Eye for the Straight Knight"

 

[Wiggum]

In the context of wildings I never saw her as a horrible person.

And when I spoke of humanity, I was speaking of Jon's. I think anyone would be hard pressed to say that Jon didn't come out of his time with the wildings as a markedly changed man. While it was the wilding experience as a whole that helped shape Jon, his experiences with Ygritte, for me, where the main impetus for that change.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

I didn't say she was a horrible person, I said that humanity doesn't consist solely of passion and carnality.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Whoa whoa Mr Weirwood....slow yer roll...err sorry about that.

Dont hate Ygritte, yeah she was a little horny and a tad pushy but thats just a product of her environment Im sure. We actually didnt see a lot of the intimate by-play between Jon and Y, so we can only project based on our experiences what may have happened. And yes I think she did help put a new perspective in Jon, her death enables him to become a man in the best sense of the word instead of playing with the "knights of summer". Without her (and her subsequent loss) he would never be prepared to save the world like he's going to do later.

Whoever said she needed to be taken out of the plot was 100% correct, she was an anchor in the way of Jons development. She was what she was and completely integral to Jons development....dont hate the first love, seems inhumane to me.

 

[genisis2]