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For those interested, there's a new edition of Harlan Ellison's Watching, a book of Ellison's often incisive, frequently controversial, and always entertaining (and thought-provoking) film criticism. For those who like argument, who find stimulation in going against the grain, or who just enjoy Ellison's writing, I'd strongly recommend this not-so-little tome as a way to satisfy that particular itch:

http://www.islets.net/essays/watching.html

Harlan Ellison's Watching - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Oh, I'm sure there are plenty would have their blood boiling.:p But the thing about one of Ellison's reviews is that it makes you think out your arguments in opposition if you disagree, and will even prick you to think things through more thorougly if you agree.
 
Actually,JD,he's one of those that doesn't strike the reader as 'typically American'.

That's an interesting comment. I think I know what you mean, but if you could expand on that a little, perhaps...? I'd say in some ways he's very much typically American, but of an older school of American writers (at least in his written ethical stance and outlook), perhaps....
 
did you know that the French lump him with Dick and Van Vogt as one of the giants of the field?
all three are stylists
and philosophers

That doesn't particularly surprise me, actually. (Of course, Ellison has himself commented that Clark Ashton Smith was an influence on him, and Smith was one with a very distinctive style.)

Jack Kerouac,perhaps?
you know what i'm thinking of

late fifties,early sixties
Burroughs?
not E.R.B.,of course:D

I'm assuming you're talking about the writers such as the Beats, the noir writers, etc.? Those heavily influenced by the post-Hemingway movements in prose?

Errrr... Vonnegut? Now, there's an interesting addition to the mix....;)
 
I can recommend these having discovered Ellison last year:

Firebird Stories
Dangerous visions 35th Anniversary Edition *Editor
Angry Candy

I'll probably be getting some more of his work after I've completed rounding up my pre-war Fantasy collection.
 
Resurrecting this thread to point out that the AV Club did a long interview with ol' Harlan recently. Thought some of you might enjoy reading it. It's in two parts -- each part is multiple pages long -- and it's pretty good. He has a lot to say, as usual, and some of it's actually not belligerent and grating.

I kid, I kid. ;)

Harlan Ellison, Part One | The A.V. Club

Harlan Ellison, Part Two | The A.V. Club

Also, while you're there, today's interview is with Cory Doctorow. It's also pretty good.
 
I'd like to start working through Harlan Ellison's works; his personality, fame (and infamy), his contributions to television and what I've heard of the novel I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream have intrigued me no end. Where should I begin?
 
I started with Angry Candy and went on to read his collections of stories as and when I got them. I have also been reading following recommendations from JD Worthington.

I don't think there is a specific reading order but I might be wrong, in which case someone like JD would be your best bet.

There is however a book entitled The Essential Ellison: A 50 Year Retrospective, which might provide a good place to begin.
 
I'd like to start working through Harlan Ellison's works; his personality, fame (and infamy), his contributions to television and what I've heard of the novel I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream have intrigued me no end. Where should I begin?

You've got quite a bit ahead of you, then. At last count, Ellison has had over 1500 stories published, iirc; this doesn't include the even more numerous essays, or his screenplays, etc. On the latter... most of those haven't been published, but a handful have, and are well worth reading. Even in his scripts, there's a lot of fire in the writing itself, not just the dialogue. Incidentally, "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" isn't a novel -- of which Harlan has done very few -- but an award-winning short story, heavily anthologized. When Nesa mentioned The Essential Ellison, however, she brought in the best source for the authorative text of this tale, which has often suffered from errors creeping into the different printings.....

I started with Angry Candy and went on to read his collections of stories as and when I got them. I have also been reading following recommendations from JD Worthington.

I don't think there is a specific reading order but I might be wrong, in which case someone like JD would be your best bet.

There is however a book entitled The Essential Ellison: A 50 Year Retrospective, which might provide a good place to begin.

While there isn't a particular reading order (generally speaking), it might be helpful to keep in mind the order of publication of various stories, as his earlier work shows that it's early work. Not that it isn't worth reading (quite a bit of it is), but that it shows the faults of a young writer learning his craft; and reading these after having read later work, when he became more skilled and polished, takes some readjusting.

Other than this general caveat, Ellison's largely a reader one can pick up in any order and read accordingly. This is evident even with the various reprinting programs of his work, which have never paid much attention to chronology. For example, the series from the 1970s began its run with The Glass Teat: Essays of Opinion on Television, which was first released as a book (rather than a series of columns) in 1970; the companion volume, The Other Glass Teat, containing the remainder of the series, didn't see print until 1975, for reasons set forth in the introductions to the two volumes; this was published as #5 of that series. The second volume in that series was a revised edition of Paingod and Other Delusions (1965), with a much lengthier introduction; the third volume was Memos from Purgatory, Ellison's 1961 recounting of his days with a street gang (which he had joined as a young writer looking for material) and the fallout years later from that... and so on. The same sort of "mix-and-match" is true for the series of the 1980s and White Wolf's Edgeworks series as well... though the latter includes books that had not seen print in quite some time, or (in one case) that had only been published as a very limited special edition.

Speaking of his introductions... unlike some writers' introductions, which are sometimes interesting (sometimes not) but are not really necessary adjuncts to the books they're in, Ellison's intros are very much a part of the book, and are also very, very much a part of Ellison; they're most often essays in their own right, and thought-provoking (and sometimes simply provoking) and damned fine examples of the art themselves.

And, if you'd like a little more about his biblio, with some notes on each selection, you could do a lot worse than check things out here:

http://www.islets.net/biblio.html

I'll be interested in seeing what someone else has to say about the man and his work....

Oh, and Ellison is also quite good as a raconteur, as well, so you might want to check out the recordings of the man, to boot. There are numerous recordings of him reading his stories, but there are also three rather peripitatic volumes of On the Road with Harlan Ellison, which are currently available as well

Deep Shag® Records - Harlan Ellison
 
Nesa and J.D., as always you've been most helpful and enlightening. I had no idea Ellison was so prolific, and learning that only made me more keen to start on his work. I've just put in an order for The Essential Ellison on the Book Depository. I'm especially looking forward to reading his introduction ;)
 
Nesa and J.D., as always you've been most helpful and enlightening. I had no idea Ellison was so prolific, and learning that only made me more keen to start on his work. I've just put in an order for The Essential Ellison on the Book Depository. I'm especially looking forward to reading his introduction ;)

LOL.... Ironically, Harlan didn't write the introduction to this one (though there's at least one other essay used as an introduction elsewhere that is included in it). But it is a good essay on Ellison and his work... and it's a very good collection, though it by no means includes all his best work....

At any rate, a very good place to start, as it gives you a good overview of his career, and is a wonderful one-volume smorgasbord of Ellisonia. After that, you'd be able to decide for yourself which additional volumes you'd be most interested in....

By the way... I by no means agree with all the comments on the site I provided a link for; sometimes I quite strongly disagree, in fact. But it's a great place for information on Ellison at a quick glance and, coupled with Ellison Webderland, provides a very useful service....

EDIT: Well, I stand somewhat corrected... Ellison did provide some prefatory material for the 2001 edition, though it isn't by any means an introduction per se....
 
I found in abebooks a second hand version of Dreams with Sharp Teeth
that is in fine condition.

I cant wait until i have it and read more of his stories.

By the way did he write only fantasy short stories or SF ones too ? I know he wrote SF stories for tv,movies.
 
He has written some science fiction, yes; but those are often among his weakest works (though some are still well worth reading). Ellison is not overly concerned with the science aspect of things, rather focusing on the metaphoric possibilities; in this, at least, he is like Bradbury, who has made it clear he doesn't care that much about that aspect of the stories; he's more interested in the human element and the message involved....
 
So he hasnt written any rated SF at all ?


Shame i was hoping for him writing what i call PKD SF. Those that dont care much about science but more human element,philosophical in near future or contemporary dystopia like world.
 
Well, I wouldn't say he hasn't written notable sf... but when you get into the sort of thing you're talking about, you're on that slippery borderland between sf and fantasy where the two often merge and boundaries become difficult to define (if they exist at all). This isn't a bad thing, and many writers have done this and produced excellent work (Bradbury again comes to mind, as do Serling, Matheson, Moore... even Heinlein on occasion). But it isn't what most sf afficionadoes think of when they think sf anymore... though if Bloch's "That Hell-Bound Train" fits, certainly these would....

You'll see some examples of his sf in Dreams with Sharp Teeth, by the way. And, though you give small credit to such, quite a few of his stories have won awards of one type or another: Hugos, Nebulas, Edgars (for mystery stories -- albeit his are hardly mysteries in any normal sense), etc. He has also been given at least one award for writings in the support of freedom of speech, several for teleplays, and such... no few of which have been from writers' groups.

One piece of sf of his you might find interesting (if you can ever find a copy at all; it's rather scarce) is The Man with Nine Lives; an early novel/fix-up which shows the faults of a young writer, but nevertheless has quite a bit of good stuff in it, and is well worth reading. (Incidentally, I may never have mentioned it before, but I find that term "fix-up" irritating, as it has connotations of somehow being a cheat or shoddy material, which is frequently far from the case. Putting together novels based on previously-published material is something almost as old as publishing, and has produced a heck of a lot of great work, not only from the sff end of things, but from people such as Dickens, Le Fanu, Collins (many of the Victorians, in fact) to name only a few....
 
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