Thought the writers said they'd never do that

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ChulakCat

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Yeah, yeah, I don't have Showtime (yet), but I tend to spoil myself, so I've read about recent developments in Season 4. And I don't like what I hear. Sam and Jack *actually* a couple?!
:::cries::: No, no, no, no!!!
:::Looks up::: Oh, well.. as you can tell I AM NOT HAPPY with recent developments.. at all. I mean, I guess the S/J fanfics weren't too annoying.. but they *actually* have 'deep feelings' for each other now on the SERIES?!?! Not to upset any shippers out there, but I don't like this at all. I mean, I guess the number of S/J fics told the writers "Us fans wanna see Sam and Jack together". Well, not all of us!! It'll ruin the show!!! My gosh, I thought the writers said they'd never do it!... That Sam and Jack were like cousins or something!...well, there is a law againest that! ::::faints:::

P.S. I am overly worked up right now. If I upset anyone, I assure you when I'm better I'm going to apologize.
 
Sean3W

ChulackCat,
I totally agree with you. I mean, it just ruins the mood. I mean I know that if they do get together I'm gonna have nightmares. lol But it has been obvious since the beginning that the writers played in feelings for the 2 characters. I did think it was sad though in Point of View when SGA Sam had to see Jack again after he had just died. That one was emotional.
 
MythingLink

Haven't logged in here since Friday because the episode upset me so much. I was so disgusted after watching, I just turned the TV off and went to bed and seethed. In my mind, it will ruin the show.
Not so cheerful,


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Sean3W

Seethed...... I don't know what it means but I do think I feel the same way. If they get together, I'll never think of Sam Carter the same way again
 
MythingLink

For those that haven't seen this I'll put it here.

The thread is: Disappointed with Season 4 (or Divide and Conquer)?
<bradwright@my-deja.com> skrev i melding news:8m74oq$7k3$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Folks,
>
> Normally I wouldn't do this, but...
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> I've been amazed at the fan response of "Divide and Conquer".
>
> I feel I should reassure those of you who fear O'Neill and Carter will
> soon be holding hands as they enter the gate. Their mutual affection
> has been developing since season one, and it was time to let it become
> a genuine obstacle in an episode. Their feelings would never have come
> out were it not for the extraordinary circumstances of the story. Sure
> they care about each other, and yes, that may occasionally complicate
> things, but: Carter and O'Neill will not become romantically
> involved. They are Air Force professionals.
>
> (Your response to "Beneath the Surface" will be interesting...)
>
> Also, if you're interested...
>
> Anise was a guest star for a three episode arc we planned at the end of
> last year. She will not return.
>
> Martouf's death served the story. His death was heroic, and,
> obviously, a surprise. (I'm still getting flak for killing Kawalsky
> in episode one of season one, and he's been back on the show twice
> since.)
>
> Rest assured, we read your posts and care about what you think of the
> show. As I write this, we're just finishing off the last six episodes
> of season four, so, much of the season is already completed. I don't
> think you'll be disappointed.
>
> Either way, I'm sure I'll read about it here, and enjoy the debate.
>
> Brad Wright
> Executive Producer, Stargate SG-1


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MythingLink

Me, I'll never think of Jack in the same way. I think I've made a few enemies on other lists because of my feelings about this episode and the ramifications of it.
Needless to say, I'm extremely disappointed that they went in this direction.

Cheers,


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MythingLink

It was posted to several SG1 lists, but originally came from Usenet.
Cheers (now let's see if I did that url thing right)


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SGPflughaupt

I actually find the Sam and Jack relationship interesting.....at least the aspect of an unconsummated relationship. It will be interesting in the way the characters react to one another but are unwilling to admit to(or aleast act on) their mutual affection for one another. I would not like to see the situation develop (at least at this time) in to a full blown relationship as it would spoil the potential to develop themes that play on their unfulfilled desires. Besides, too many other shows with undeclared love interests that eventully turned to a relationship between the characters have tended to go sour (or maybe the shows were already headed that way and the scripters began grasping at straws).
 
Elara

Hi guys
This is my first time posting here but I hope you'll forgive me if I felt compelled to add my $.02 to this thread.

First, you need to understand that I have lived through this type of debate for the past 7 years of X Files and NOTHING that has been said regarding the SG shipper vs. no-romo discussion is new. In fact, it's been dismally repetitious.

Secondly, the people who seem most upset by the direction the show is taking, are missing the point. The feelings which are now being openly acknowledged between these two characters have been building for quite sometime. Not to acknowledge them is not only cowardly of the writers but a disservice to the fans. After four seasons, you need to keep the characters growing or they and the show turns stale. But an acknowledgement of a feeling does not mean that the characters have to act on the feeling. In fact, I think the conflict will add a more layered feel to these people, making them more real and more sympathetic.

These guys aren't kids. They are mature professionals... and their emotions are not the emotions of teenagers (my apologies to the teens out there ). They know what's at risk - and so do the writers of the show.

I have to admit that I have been enjoying SG more this season than just about any of the previous years. I am in awe of the ability of both the writing staff and the actors who know these characters inside and out. If anyone can handle this situation with the sensitivity and care it requires, it's these guys! You can't have character growth without continuity, and that means we'll need to go back and revisit these emotions from time to time. It doesn't mean that the most underrated show on TV is worth chucking. Hang in there! This is a ride worth taking!


Elara
 
MythingLink

I might agree with you if I wasn't one of those that is vehemently opposed to the soap opera tactics that have been thrown into the mix. I don't believe that characters grow by throwing 'love' or as Jack put it 'caring more than he should' into it at all. I personally believe that it is falling back on formula and that scares me. When a series begins to do that, it usually means that it is on the way out.
However my main objection to this whole thing is not that the characters deserve to fall in love or that it's not normal, but that it flies in the face of what they have been bragging about and that is that they follow military protocol.

Everyone keeps saying that they will continue to act professionally. Yet they haven't because if they had Jack would have demanded that Carter leave the team or Carter would have volunteered to leave the team. Jack is endangering Carter's career in the military by not doing so and if they were both acting professionally they would realize this.

This has to do with, not just the fact that Jack is Carter's commanding officer, but that he is also her rating officer. It is his responsibility to do her Officer Evaluation Reports which help to determine her worth to the Air Force and her promotion status. If it is ever found out that he has feelings for her, every report that he has filled out will be suspect. Her job performance will be re-evaluated and her promotions will be looked into with a fine tooth comb and anyone with an axe to grind against her or Jack will be able to attack her and quite possibly ruin her career and his.

On the other side it's more personal. I was profoundly thrilled that a show was able to put a strong female lead in with a group of men and have her hold her own. I feel having this relationship angle thrown in diminishes that and diminishes those women in the military who are trying to break the idea that a woman only succeeds by falling in love with her commanding officer and having her CO fall in love with her. And believe me, that is how a lot of men in the military think.

I honestly believe this is a cheat - an easy way to throw in a little adversity and say it is character development.

Cheers,


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DannysAngel

Jack and Sam had better not get together!!!! I mean, we all know that they have feelings for each other, but lets just keep it that way. If they get together it will totally ruin the show!
 
Elara

Hi
Sorry, but I'd rather have characters deal effectively with their feelings than for the audience to know the emotions are there but the characters are in denial. Been there, done that for more years than I care to remember with XF.

To me, this more mature approach speaks highly to the strength of both Jack AND Sam. Neither character wanted this to happen. It did... they deal with it. As to whether or not Sam should be off the team, I'm guessing it's something she is struggling with. More likely, both she and Jack see the fight against the Goa'uld more important than their personal feelings. The team is stronger with all of them than if Sam would leave.

And yes, this IS a TV show so dramatic license is going to happen but I would guess this situation often occurs in real life as well. People can work through these things without having to act on them. It's hard but it tends to make the working relationship even stronger in the end. Some things are worth salvaging even if you do need to go through some painful, self-sacrificing emotions. I'm guessing Sam and Jack want to try this route first.


Elara
 
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