Thought the writers said they'd never do that

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MythingLink

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. We are each coming at it with different perspectives. Mine is from a military background. I have seen things like this destroy a unit no matter how well it's tried to hush it up.
This has come very close to being considered fraternization under Art. 134 of the UCMJ. It wouldn't take much to push it there especially with all the little references to it that have occurred since this revelation.

Yes it is a TV Show, but it's one that boasts its Seal of Approval by the US Air Force. Remove that and I'll have no problem except the one that I didn't start out watching this show to see this type of thing thrown into the mix.

My husbands first comment after seeing the episode was that they've run out of ideas for conflict and are falling back on an old cliche. To him and several other people I've talked to about it, it's a death knell for the show. They've stopped watching.

Cheers,



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Elara

Fair enough...
It's funny though how people can watch the same show and come away with such differences of opinion. You and yours see this area of conflict as a death knell. Me and mine find the new layers of growth compelling.

I guess time will tell.

Elara

 

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SGPflughaupt

I have to say both of your posts are well argued so its hard to say which is closer to (I dont know of a good English word that expresses what I am trying to say so I will use russian,sorry) Pravda. This means sort of the ultimate truth. As a show that prides itself on being true to the real world Air Force then Myth is right. But on the counter side Jack has done things that are courtmarshall material as I understand it from growing up in the Military as well as spending a little time in it. On the otherhand, this IS Science Fiction so as long as they dont take extreme liberties with the real world stuff then I can accept it and get on with the story. As far as the J and S relationship...it adds a bit of emotion tension to the stories but I share the deep down feeling with Myth that it could be an early sign of Series death. I hope it isnt of course and that the show can continue to attract good writers that can come up with fresh ideas and tell olds ones with originality.

 

[Texane]

It looks like the writers have decided to take a page from Mulder and Scully's book - it works better that way. And, after all, it's going to be tough to, realistically, get past the military officer/rules and regs issue.

 

[Nora]

MythingLink

Okay, I know this comes late but I am new to this forum and I just read your thoughts on this topic.

Hurrah! Nobody could have said it better. Your hit it right on the mark. Oh, I feel so bad about this. I kind of liked the idea that here was this very attractive woman working closely together with 3 very attractive men and they kept the relationship professional.

Oh, you are so right. Shipper fans and the writers may delude themselves but Sam and Jack ARE NOT acting professionally. Any promotion Sam may get, hey, even that major promotion is tainted now. Because Jack is her direct CO and her rating officer, like you said. I know from past experience. A good friend of mine, not military, became involved with her boss. And although she was an excellent secretary, hey when she got promoted and got a raise, what do you think people said? She got it because she and the boss are involved.

If Sam and Jack were true professionals, Sam would have asked for a transfer to another SG team. Or Jack would have asked her to. Does Hammond know about it? Because Teal'c and Janet do. Don't they have a reponsability to tell the General?

The writers made a major mistake. I don't know what the Air Force advisers are thinking. If they protested that Amanda's hair was getting too long for regulations, shouldn't they protest over this much more serious matter?

Now, I know situations like this occur in real life all the time, but in real life they cause complications, which characters have to face the consequences off. It should not be different in a tv program that prides itself in being real (apart form the sci-fi stuff, of-course). Remember that AF lieutenant that had to resign because she got involved with a non-officer?

I hope Mr. Wright takes these objections into considerations. They are pertinent and logical. Are they trying to sex up the show? First the Anise character (thank God she is gone) and then this Jack/Sam shipper stuff.

And after all the times they spoke that Sam and Jack wouldn't get involved. I feel they are trying to circumvent it, have their cake and eat it. Kiss in Window of Opportunity (no consequence, so they can kiss, ha, ha) and Beneath the Surface, (they don't remember, so let's emote).

I don't mean that maybe in the future, when the show is winding down, then Sam and Jack could have come out and proclaim their love. But hey, a little mystery was very nice. She could have love Daniel or anybody else, for that matter.

 

[Texane]

Well, I can't say I would go that far. I like the way the writers have done this - exactly. And because the characters have all gotten equal time and depth, I dont' think Sam's promotion is "tainted," as you do. I just don't think the story line would get better with a relationship between the two.

 

[skydiver]

i personally an crossing my fingers that what mr. write and at and rda have said is accurate that they will never get together. call me ms. optimistic(and if you ever knew me, a pollyanna i ain't) i'm thinking all this shipper stuff was blown up so out of proportion so it could be used in the future...maybe i'm wrong but i keep thinking it'll be dealt with in some kind of plot altering way in one of the remaining eps of season 4.

and on a side note: recently i found some west wing fic, and most of it was josh/donna ship. you know i never really looked at the two characters from a ship angle until i read the fic.
that said, is it possible we are all becoming so sensitive to sam/jack cause of the 100s of fic out there that have them making like bunnies. until i started reading fan fic i never really thought og them that way. reading the fic(and don't get me wrong some of it is good, it's just that some weeks heliopolis looks more like harlequin) has changed my perceptions.
we could start a whole thread on how fic paints danny as a wimp, jack as a jerk and sam as...well chasing one of the two.
but i won't. i'll just say i'm trying to keep an open mind for upcoming eps. hey the writers surprised me with marty...who knows what's next.

 

[Texane]

Just a small note about West Wing - as much as I like it, it annoys me that Josh's secretary/aide has gotten credits now - she's just fluff. It is the only backward attempt I've seen the show make at making women more representative in the WW, when we know they are not (except for trivial staffers). I guess when they wrote out Moira Kelly's role, they had to do something.

Back to the Gate. I agree. This has all gotten out of hand. And as I said earlier. If Chris Carter was smart enough to hold off from that garbage on the X-Files (which was under the same type of pressure), I'm sure the Gate writers can do the same. After all: they have a successful series on their hands. Losing a big section of their viewers won't help them during sweeps week. And consider: if the Air Force consultants had Amanda Tapping cut her hair (which was much more attractive) because it was "close" to being outside of regs, do you really think a colonol and a major are going to be significant others or married on this show? And would either of them give up the most fantastic job on the planet for that? Would you? REALLY? Give up the ability to travel to other planets and study other ways of life? Think about it . . .

 

[Nora]

Originally posted by Texane
Well, I can't say I would go that far. I like the way the writers have done this - exactly. And because the characters have all gotten equal time and depth, I dont' think Sam's promotion is "tainted," as you do. I just don't think the story line would get better with a relationship between the two.

It doesn't matter how much on-screen time the characters have. The point is that if Gen. Hammond or someone else would find out that Jack and Sam have feelings for each other, then they may feel that it influenced Col. O'Neill' evaluations of Sam. Remember the saying, Ceasar's wife has not only has to be respectable, she has to appear respectable. Can you imagine any woman major/captain/lieutenant, etc. at SGC, finding out that Sam & Jack "cared for each other more than they should", don't you think, human nature being what it is, she could think, well, he certainly has her "interests" at heart. That is why their position is so fraught with danger. I don't think anyone would be able to separate their feelings completely in such a situation, where the CO has to rate personally the person he loves. There would be hell to pay in real life, you bet you.

 

[pooka]

Sam & Jack relationship

Gatecon was very educational. They touched on the subject and felt that they had taken the Sam/Jack relationship as far as they could considering the limitations. In case you forgot they have USAF personnel on site to assure accuracy is maintained. The writers, the USAF guy and the cast all advised that all proper military protocols will be maintained and that the relationship will not go farther. Furthermore, they only said on the very last show, the last episode (may it not come for a very, very, very, very long time) they will allow them to get together.

They advised that a relationship is against military protocol and it would possibly ruin the show. So don't give up, there is a lot more action and interesting things to come. Keep watching or you might miss something good.

Have fun people, it's just a show.

 

[Houghton]

Sam and Jack

Hi,

New to the forums but I've been a Stargate Fan since it started. I love the relationship between all the characters in the show but I guess I am a hopeless romantic at heart - I love the fact Sam and Jack are admitting their true feelings for one another. They make a great couple and I hope eventually they will end up together.

L.Houghton

 

[Texane]

Again, Scully and Mulder. You guys don't really think these writers get paid all that money to screw up a perfectly good, LUCRATIVE SHOW MAKING 22 EPISODES A YEAR ON SHOWTIME DO YOU????? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE CAPPUCCINO, KIDS!!!

[Edited by Texane on 11-29-2000 at 06:16 PM]

 

[jsc]

Hi, L. Houghton!

Welcome to our forum L Houghton,
Glad you have delurked and posted in a hot area. I see from your post that you like the Sam and Jack relationship. People will disagree with you but that is the fun of a forum. Many ideas from many different people.

I also read from your post that you are a long time fan of Stargate! Good. Look around here and have fun! But if you will notice the column to the left on your screen. It shows the many different sections you can go to. We have a Buffy section and a Farscape one and Andromeda and soon we will have a Dr. Who section.

We also have films to discus and Books in three different Genres; Fantasy, Sci Fi, and Fantasy. So there is a lot here to see and do.

If you don't see a thread that is applicable you can start a new one. Don't be shy just keep it in the appropriate forum. The hardest thing to do is to watch for spoilers when you are talking about events in different seasons. We do use spoiler space. Just remember to mark them as spoilers and then leave some space below.

If you like fan fiction there are links to various sites in our favorite fan fic section. And you might like to try your hand at writing. We have two round robins... one is one liner only nad the other is a one for a bit longer.
Look around and enjoy. There is a lot to see! If you have any questions just ask we love to answer comments and questions!

 

[P8X-872]

Though the writers said they'd never do that

I thing it's a good thing that they are doing. I personally love Daniel, but I think that Sam and Jack started to grow on each other from ep 1. Jack said "I like women, I just have a little problem with scientests." I guess he got over the fact that Sam is a scientest.

 

[Texane]

Maybe it's because the "scientist" with all the brainpower keeps saving his bu__ all the time with her smarts!!! WELCOME!

 

[jsc]

Welcome P8X-872

Hi! P8X-872, Welcome to our forum. Glad you have delurked and posted and good for you for upholding a minority opinion on this thread!

There is a lot to look at here and many things to see. At the top of the page is the list of other places you can visit here. All dedicated to the Science fiction and fantasy genre. We even have books and authors to talk about. Terry Prachett is a favorite. As is Azimov.

We enjoy non flame comments and opinions such as the ones you have posted. If you can not find a thread you want you can do so in the appropriate section. Feel free. We will find it and answer you!

Relax and enjoy!

 

[Texane]

There also seems to be a lot of really good fan fic going on in the Stargate section - you might want to check it out (I heard something about Teal'c and purple bugs?). I haven't read it all, but the parts I have read are both funny and smart!

Have a good time. If you are interested, there are more members at all the other sites. Some of the sites have members that know a lot about shows that some of us have never seen, so when we show up to read their posts, it helps us to catch up on some great new shows. The site also has a new look. If you have any questions or suggestions, find Padders (and give him a hard time; it's so much fun!). Look around, post away, and have a great time!

Welcome aboard!

 

[SGC-1]

It now has all the makings of a blockbuster movie

I like the romance the writers have brought to the show, it was about time. Since shari and daniel jackson fizzled out well not by choice but by circumstance where she died.

It gives the feeling of a real blockbuster movie. God I can't wait till the Stargate Movie Sequel comes out.

I only wish there were more episodes at the blockbuster movies because I missed a few episodes and I've been recording the show since season 1. Ya thats right, in between seasons, I'm never bored due to my modest collection of shows. hehehe talk 2 ya later.

 

[nikki.g]

I have to admit that I am also glad that they have shown a small hint of the feelings between Jack & Sam, I feel it adds a lot to the show.
I am also a big X Files fan and they have finally started to explore the relationship between Scully & Mulder in Season 7, can't wait for season 8

 

[Texane]

That seems to be a big issue among the fans. I wonder how long the writers debated about it before they decided how to write Divide and Conquer?