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MythingLink
You mean 8th chevron don't you? It takes 7 points (chevrons) to go from one planet to the next, the 8th one that was used in The Fifth Race, was the distance chevron. Like Carter said, kind of like using an area code on a phone.
And no, it wasn't the Asgard who came up with the Gate system. If you go by what Daniel determined, it was the Ancients (who left our galaxy a long time ago). They were 'the builder of roads' as Daniel put it.
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MythingLink
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You mean 8th chevron don't you? It takes 7 points (chevrons) to go from one planet to the next, the 8th one that was used in The Fifth Race, was the distance chevron. Like Carter said, kind of like using an area code on a phone.
And no, it wasn't the Asgard who came up with the Gate system. If you go by what Daniel determined, it was the Ancients (who left our galaxy a long time ago). They were 'the builder of roads' as Daniel put it.
Cheers,
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MythingLink
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padders
Yeah.. oops. 8th and Ancients. I am going to have to rewatch all the episodes. I have some of the DVDs sitting here ready to watch but waiting for my DVD player. ekkk.
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Yeah.. oops. 8th and Ancients. I am going to have to rewatch all the episodes. I have some of the DVDs sitting here ready to watch but waiting for my DVD player. ekkk.
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Sean3w
To explain the many possible destinations that the Stargate can go to, you first have to know how many symbols that stargate contains. There 38 symbols on most stargates. that's not including the point of origin. Just using 7 chevrons, you have a possibility of going to 228 different planets. Now since there are 9 chevrons that creates even more possibilities. 8 chevrons give you total of 8,664 planets and 9 give you a grand total of 329,232 planets in the Stargate system. That gives Stargate SG-1 the ability to go for at least 15 more years.
To explain the many possible destinations that the Stargate can go to, you first have to know how many symbols that stargate contains. There 38 symbols on most stargates. that's not including the point of origin. Just using 7 chevrons, you have a possibility of going to 228 different planets. Now since there are 9 chevrons that creates even more possibilities. 8 chevrons give you total of 8,664 planets and 9 give you a grand total of 329,232 planets in the Stargate system. That gives Stargate SG-1 the ability to go for at least 15 more years.
padders
Not sure about how you got those answers
If there are 38 symbols and you need say 7 and you can not have the same symbol more than once then the amount of permutations (possible combinations) is:
38x37x36x35x34x33x32
= 6.4x10^(10)
which is a lot
(that assumes that the ORDER matters).
I think that is right?
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Chris Padfield, administrator for TalkStargate.com
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Not sure about how you got those answers
If there are 38 symbols and you need say 7 and you can not have the same symbol more than once then the amount of permutations (possible combinations) is:
38x37x36x35x34x33x32
= 6.4x10^(10)
which is a lot
(that assumes that the ORDER matters).
I think that is right?
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MythingLink
Haven't checked this guys figures but he came up with 3,518,743,761 possible Gates using 7 chevrons. When he threw in the 8th, he came up with 137,231,006,679. Lot's of different places. <G>
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MythingLink
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Haven't checked this guys figures but he came up with 3,518,743,761 possible Gates using 7 chevrons. When he threw in the 8th, he came up with 137,231,006,679. Lot's of different places. <G>
Cheers,
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MythingLink
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padders
I recon he is wrong. For mathematicians, what i am doing is:
38P7
this basically means there are 38 options, you have to pick 7 of them in any order. This means that
a,b,c,d,e,f,g is different to a,c,b,d,e,f,g which is of course correct.
The only problem is that this may also include
a,a,a,a,a,a,a as an option. I can't remember my probability for how to get rid of this factor but i do not think it will half the amount. Will try and work it out properly!
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Chris Padfield, administrator for TalkStargate.com
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I recon he is wrong. For mathematicians, what i am doing is:
38P7
this basically means there are 38 options, you have to pick 7 of them in any order. This means that
a,b,c,d,e,f,g is different to a,c,b,d,e,f,g which is of course correct.
The only problem is that this may also include
a,a,a,a,a,a,a as an option. I can't remember my probability for how to get rid of this factor but i do not think it will half the amount. Will try and work it out properly!
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padders
I assume that not all of the combinations actually represent a planet do they? I can't remember how it actually works because of course any object in 3rd space can be represented by only 3 co-ordinates so it is not our cartesian system they use. Still i wonder the points all represent lines of some sort and intersect on a planet and that is the combination. I also wonder how close a gate has to be for activation to work and what % of combinations presently have stargates in those areas.
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I assume that not all of the combinations actually represent a planet do they? I can't remember how it actually works because of course any object in 3rd space can be represented by only 3 co-ordinates so it is not our cartesian system they use. Still i wonder the points all represent lines of some sort and intersect on a planet and that is the combination. I also wonder how close a gate has to be for activation to work and what % of combinations presently have stargates in those areas.
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MythingLink
Never was good at topology. We do know that the Gate can be in orbit for it to work. One of the things Bill McCay did in his books, don't remember which one, was to have them experimenting with just that. I vaguely remember that the findings helped Daniel out when he is on board Hathor's ship or something like that. I guess I'll have to go and reread them. <G>
Cheers,
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MythingLink
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Never was good at topology. We do know that the Gate can be in orbit for it to work. One of the things Bill McCay did in his books, don't remember which one, was to have them experimenting with just that. I vaguely remember that the findings helped Daniel out when he is on board Hathor's ship or something like that. I guess I'll have to go and reread them. <G>
Cheers,
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MythingLink
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Sean3w
The numbers that Padders put were wrong. you have to use 1 chevron as the point of origin which will indefinitely be the same, earth, and those numbers I gave are from just Earth. You have to think about it. The number I gave is pretty accurate considering that not every planet in the universe can support life and also I just took what I explained in Algebra class. The formula would be
38 = A 'A' being the about of symbols
6 = B 'B' being the usable amount of chevrons in a 7 chevron coordinate
which gives the formula of AxB=C where C being the sum of A and B.
so that's 38x6 which is 228
then for a 8 chevron coordinate you have to multiply
228 by 7 with 7 being the usable chevrons.
And yes you can use a chevron 2 in a 8 chevron coordinate.
Cause when you go to 8 chevrons, the extra one has a whole different value all together.
The numbers that Padders put were wrong. you have to use 1 chevron as the point of origin which will indefinitely be the same, earth, and those numbers I gave are from just Earth. You have to think about it. The number I gave is pretty accurate considering that not every planet in the universe can support life and also I just took what I explained in Algebra class. The formula would be
38 = A 'A' being the about of symbols
6 = B 'B' being the usable amount of chevrons in a 7 chevron coordinate
which gives the formula of AxB=C where C being the sum of A and B.
so that's 38x6 which is 228
then for a 8 chevron coordinate you have to multiply
228 by 7 with 7 being the usable chevrons.
And yes you can use a chevron 2 in a 8 chevron coordinate.
Cause when you go to 8 chevrons, the extra one has a whole different value all together.
carter
HEY! but what about the fact that on each planet you can find diffrent symbols on the gate? i mean if you add that to it their'll be so manny it'll be imposible to find out the # of planet's that are in the gate sytem and it WAS the acients that built the gate's
and what about the tolan (sopiler) THEY BIULT ONE!!!!!! the goaulds can move them. and a hole bunch of stuff
the use of the 8th symbol is the same as the 7th only it get bumped down one it takes 6 chevrons to go to a destination in our universe to go out of it it requires more energy and the extra symbol (if ya study gate physics long enought it becomes simple)
so out of universe destinations reqire the 7th symbol and then the point of origin
but any way.....
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carter : )
i might be canadian but i have a point (sometimes)
HEY! but what about the fact that on each planet you can find diffrent symbols on the gate? i mean if you add that to it their'll be so manny it'll be imposible to find out the # of planet's that are in the gate sytem and it WAS the acients that built the gate's
and what about the tolan (sopiler) THEY BIULT ONE!!!!!! the goaulds can move them. and a hole bunch of stuff
the use of the 8th symbol is the same as the 7th only it get bumped down one it takes 6 chevrons to go to a destination in our universe to go out of it it requires more energy and the extra symbol (if ya study gate physics long enought it becomes simple)
so out of universe destinations reqire the 7th symbol and then the point of origin
but any way.....
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carter : )
i might be canadian but i have a point (sometimes)
MythingLink
Sorry to disagree with you, but you're making an incorrect assumption. There are a lot more than 228 combinations given 38 symbols. It would only be 228 combinations if the starting symbol were the same symbol used each time. However, the starting symbol could be anyone of the available symbols jumping, at the very least, to 1368. Then factor in that the remaining symbols could be in any combination around the wheel, forwards and backwards, you've got a much larger number.
Okay it's been a long time since I've done or understood any math at all.
Cheers,
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MythingLink
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Sorry to disagree with you, but you're making an incorrect assumption. There are a lot more than 228 combinations given 38 symbols. It would only be 228 combinations if the starting symbol were the same symbol used each time. However, the starting symbol could be anyone of the available symbols jumping, at the very least, to 1368. Then factor in that the remaining symbols could be in any combination around the wheel, forwards and backwards, you've got a much larger number.
Okay it's been a long time since I've done or understood any math at all.
Cheers,
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MythingLink
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MythingLink
Actually Sean, the number would be the same no matter what planet you were on. There are still only the same amount of symbols on each Gate.
It just all depends on how Gates there actually are.
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MythingLink
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Actually Sean, the number would be the same no matter what planet you were on. There are still only the same amount of symbols on each Gate.
It just all depends on how Gates there actually are.
Cheers,
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MythingLink
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Sean3w
I don't know. The way I see it is that a gate that has 9 chevrons in use, which makes a lot farther away, has access to different planets than we do.
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I don't know. The way I see it is that a gate that has 9 chevrons in use, which makes a lot farther away, has access to different planets than we do.
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MythingLink
8 chevrons - three on each side and one top and probably bottom even though we don't ever see it.
Unless they are going to say that you can re-use a chevron which would then give them an infinite number of combinations.
Cheers,
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MythingLink
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8 chevrons - three on each side and one top and probably bottom even though we don't ever see it.
Unless they are going to say that you can re-use a chevron which would then give them an infinite number of combinations.
Cheers,
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MythingLink
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Sean3w
There are nine cause there are 2 on the bottom. If you watch the last episode of Season 3 (can't remember the name) you will see 2 chevrons on the bottom. which are normally hidden though.
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There are nine cause there are 2 on the bottom. If you watch the last episode of Season 3 (can't remember the name) you will see 2 chevrons on the bottom. which are normally hidden though.
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MythingLink
I shall have to go back and look. I didn't notice.
Cheers,
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MythingLink
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I shall have to go back and look. I didn't notice.
Cheers,
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MythingLink
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padders
38 = A 'A' being the about of symbols
6 = B 'B' being the usable amount of chevrons in a 7 chevron coordinate
which gives the formula of AxB=C where C being the sum of A and B.
so that's 38x6 which is 228
then for a 8 chevron coordinate you have to multiply
228 by 7 with 7 being the usable chevrons.
unfortunatly not the way to do it:
for example:
imagine there were only 5 symbols and you needed to pick 3 of them.
You would say there would be 15 combination i assume yet there are a lot more:
say pick 3 from 1 2 3 4 5:
123
124
125
132
134
135
142
143
145
152
153
154
212
213
214
215
and i can go on..
you see, you do NOT multiply the number of what you are choosing from by the number you have to choose.
Think about a bank pin of 4 numbers. If your logic was the case there would only be 10x4 options = 40! not very good.
MythingLink : it would not be infinite, it would actually only be about 1 order of magnitude greater.
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Chris Padfield, administrator for TalkStargate.com
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38 = A 'A' being the about of symbols
6 = B 'B' being the usable amount of chevrons in a 7 chevron coordinate
which gives the formula of AxB=C where C being the sum of A and B.
so that's 38x6 which is 228
then for a 8 chevron coordinate you have to multiply
228 by 7 with 7 being the usable chevrons.
unfortunatly not the way to do it:
for example:
imagine there were only 5 symbols and you needed to pick 3 of them.
You would say there would be 15 combination i assume yet there are a lot more:
say pick 3 from 1 2 3 4 5:
123
124
125
132
134
135
142
143
145
152
153
154
212
213
214
215
and i can go on..
you see, you do NOT multiply the number of what you are choosing from by the number you have to choose.
Think about a bank pin of 4 numbers. If your logic was the case there would only be 10x4 options = 40! not very good.
MythingLink : it would not be infinite, it would actually only be about 1 order of magnitude greater.
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