ATTAC
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I am afraid that this one will be a wait and see... If he survives perhaps he can pick up more ships to help him in his fight... if he is too weekened then the Jaffa masses might dessert or another system Lord might make a grab for his resources...(Hope he survives... the series wouldn't be the same without him!)
markpud
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sounds kinda like what happened to him after S1, when he was weakened and got wiped out by Sokar... but he recovered and came back stronger...
I don't serve Apophis, but freelance out to the other System Lords!!! I suppose you might know me as your friendly neighbourhood Ashrak!
However, I look forward to seeing some serious SG1 'buttkicking' and by that I mean, them getting their butts kicked NOT the Goa'uld. Who we all know are great and mighty!
:naughty:
(Please don't yell at me, Kelsi made me do it! :laugh: :laugh: )
And if THAT doesn't start some major whining from the SG1 fans, NOTHING will!
However, I look forward to seeing some serious SG1 'buttkicking' and by that I mean, them getting their butts kicked NOT the Goa'uld. Who we all know are great and mighty!
:naughty:
(Please don't yell at me, Kelsi made me do it! :laugh: :laugh: )
And if THAT doesn't start some major whining from the SG1 fans, NOTHING will!
MsGudBod
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Not mad at ya! Peace and Love be unto you, but................
Goa'uld- great and mighty- Joke, right? How about Greatest and Mightiest that's the SG1 teams particularly mine. If not why would such a great warrior like Teal'c drop the zeros and join the heros? He could smell homeplate. :karate:
Whining? Only when our team commander says enough humiliating the Goa'uld, and that hasn't happened yet. :rolly2:
Sorry Anni, but Apophis was no more than a pretty face. Not saying that that was a bad thing, but I myself prefer the total package. :blush:
Goa'uld- great and mighty- Joke, right? How about Greatest and Mightiest that's the SG1 teams particularly mine. If not why would such a great warrior like Teal'c drop the zeros and join the heros? He could smell homeplate. :karate:
Whining? Only when our team commander says enough humiliating the Goa'uld, and that hasn't happened yet. :rolly2:
Sorry Anni, but Apophis was no more than a pretty face. Not saying that that was a bad thing, but I myself prefer the total package. :blush:
Now watch my lips, 'cos they are moving!
I said 'great and mighty' and I meant 'great and mighty'!
And I suppose you're right about Apophis being a pretty face, depends very much on your definition of the word 'pretty'.
My loyalties lie entirely with the Goa'uld. They would have to wouldn't they, since they're the people who 'pay' me!!
I said 'great and mighty' and I meant 'great and mighty'!
And I suppose you're right about Apophis being a pretty face, depends very much on your definition of the word 'pretty'.
My loyalties lie entirely with the Goa'uld. They would have to wouldn't they, since they're the people who 'pay' me!!
MsGudBod
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So true, JSC.
However, Anni money is not everything. Self respect and truth, justice, freedom...........and all that mushy stuff that as a hireling you hold no value of is more important to those who have a conscience- consciousness of the MORAL right and wrong of one's own acts or motives.
Didn't mean to go all zen on you, but peace be unto you still.
However, Anni money is not everything. Self respect and truth, justice, freedom...........and all that mushy stuff that as a hireling you hold no value of is more important to those who have a conscience- consciousness of the MORAL right and wrong of one's own acts or motives.
Didn't mean to go all zen on you, but peace be unto you still.
My 'book' (it gets larger and larger all the time!) is not posted anywhere. I have sent parts of it to a few people, mainly at their request. I probably won't put it on any fan fiction lists. Not because I am ashamed of it, by any means, I'm not actually sure why I don't want to, I just don't.
I am sure that those who write fan fiction stories write them because they feel they need to. And some of them are excellent and very well written. Some of them aren't, but who cares? I think it's cool that they get written anyway. I am not writing mine because I need to, but because it gives me good writing practice, it helps me to create fiction scenarios, use my imagination, ensure continuity, helps me to practice tying up loose ends and making sure that details match. Without it I couldn't continue writing my autobiography which is a serious work, the first part of which is currently with my literary agent.
:blush: :reyes:
I am sure that those who write fan fiction stories write them because they feel they need to. And some of them are excellent and very well written. Some of them aren't, but who cares? I think it's cool that they get written anyway. I am not writing mine because I need to, but because it gives me good writing practice, it helps me to create fiction scenarios, use my imagination, ensure continuity, helps me to practice tying up loose ends and making sure that details match. Without it I couldn't continue writing my autobiography which is a serious work, the first part of which is currently with my literary agent.
:blush: :reyes:Well said Anni! It makes yours more unique if ya don´t post it on fanfic lists, and besides, then you have a rough list of who has read it and who hasn´t.
What happened to the ´ATTAC´? Or are we waiting for Apophis to have yet another victory in conclusion to Exodus?
What happened to the ´ATTAC´? Or are we waiting for Apophis to have yet another victory in conclusion to Exodus?
ps. Greetings from Spain! It´s great weather aqui, and yesterday, we went to a theme park: Terra Mitica. Guess what the theme was?! Mythology, and naturally, half of it was Egyptian! Now I know that heaven exists! Evn if I didn´t see any of the SG cast there... well, they´ll have probly upd8d it by the time I get there.:rolly2:
WARNING Long posting SORRY!!!!
LOL......If you wait until it's finished you'll be waiting quite a long time. And it isn't really a fan fic. It started out as an actual novel about ancient and modern Egypt seen through the eyes of two women linked by blood. It hadnothing to do with Stargate, until my treacherous hand and part of my mind decided that incorporating this into the story was the way to go. There is also a whole other version which is nothing to do with Stargate at all.
I say it's not a fan fiction because in my view Stargate fan fiction nearly all comes into the realms of Sam and Jack and their possible relationship, a tortured view of Sam and Jack and their relationship, Just plain and simple tortured Daniel, equally tortured Sha're, humour in which the author gives their view of events in the SGC headquarters or offworld, and also always from the point of view of the humour and bond between the group and their heroics. Sam and Martouf and how Sam is coping with the torture of him dying.
Always about how very nasty the Goa'uld are (and how nasty the Tok'ra may well be, except for Jacob and Martouf of course, who are generally excluded from this, the former because, well he's Sam's dad, so he can't be ALL bad and the the latter, because he has such nice blue eyes and a redeeming gentleness and Sam might have fallen in love with him so therefore we have to find exceptions in his behaviour which prove the rule)
The stories of the fan's ideas about how hideous the tortures the Goa'uld inflict and their total lack of morality and any redeeming features.
My argument with the last one is that we are projecting our own worst characteristics on what would be, in reality, a completely different culture and species, with their own laws and moral codes.
We don't have that right.
I guess you could argue that the Goa'uld wouldn't have the right to occupy a host body without it's consent, and judging by our moral codes, you would be right. But the Goa'uld would have a completely different moral code, and just because we don't agree with it, wouldn't necessarily make us right and them wrong.
We are in reality nowhere near being ready to make 'first contact' with other species, because we are too bound up in our own hangups. In reality Jack and his sarcastic humour and ascerbic, off the cuff attitude would not be made into the person who steps into another world and meets another culture head on. He may well be the best person to militarily protect a party of diplomats, but he would not BE the leader when it came to talking, it wouldn't even be Daniel. It would be someone trained in diplomacy. Someone who wouldn't step on toes or take matters into their own hands.
I am getting off the point really, but what I am trying to say is that, as Thor said, It is not a perfect universe, O'Neill. Yet the fan fiction AND the show always has SG1 toddling through the Stargate, bumping into slack handfuls of System Lords and other assorted aliens, saving worlds with their own particular brand of morality which isn't always appropriate OR welcome and whether the people of the world want it or not, and then toddling back through the Stargate in time for supper.
My story is a story of discovery of two people, one from Earth, and she has hangups and self doubts galore, the other from a warlike hostile species, used to being thought of as a god, and obeyed. They are thrown together in situations from which they have to go back to basics to learn how to interact with each and the people around them. The humans have a bad side, and so do the Goa'uld. But somewhere inside there is also a good side to both and redeeming features for both. And that would, in reality be the saving of a galaxy. An ability of both to accept the other for what they are, live with and be able to iron out the main difficulties. The old Start Trek maxim - the IDIC - Infinite diversities in Infinite combinations!
Oops.....off my soapbox now!!
:blush:
LOL......If you wait until it's finished you'll be waiting quite a long time. And it isn't really a fan fic. It started out as an actual novel about ancient and modern Egypt seen through the eyes of two women linked by blood. It hadnothing to do with Stargate, until my treacherous hand and part of my mind decided that incorporating this into the story was the way to go. There is also a whole other version which is nothing to do with Stargate at all.
I say it's not a fan fiction because in my view Stargate fan fiction nearly all comes into the realms of Sam and Jack and their possible relationship, a tortured view of Sam and Jack and their relationship, Just plain and simple tortured Daniel, equally tortured Sha're, humour in which the author gives their view of events in the SGC headquarters or offworld, and also always from the point of view of the humour and bond between the group and their heroics. Sam and Martouf and how Sam is coping with the torture of him dying.
Always about how very nasty the Goa'uld are (and how nasty the Tok'ra may well be, except for Jacob and Martouf of course, who are generally excluded from this, the former because, well he's Sam's dad, so he can't be ALL bad and the the latter, because he has such nice blue eyes and a redeeming gentleness and Sam might have fallen in love with him so therefore we have to find exceptions in his behaviour which prove the rule)
The stories of the fan's ideas about how hideous the tortures the Goa'uld inflict and their total lack of morality and any redeeming features.
My argument with the last one is that we are projecting our own worst characteristics on what would be, in reality, a completely different culture and species, with their own laws and moral codes.
We don't have that right.
I guess you could argue that the Goa'uld wouldn't have the right to occupy a host body without it's consent, and judging by our moral codes, you would be right. But the Goa'uld would have a completely different moral code, and just because we don't agree with it, wouldn't necessarily make us right and them wrong.
We are in reality nowhere near being ready to make 'first contact' with other species, because we are too bound up in our own hangups. In reality Jack and his sarcastic humour and ascerbic, off the cuff attitude would not be made into the person who steps into another world and meets another culture head on. He may well be the best person to militarily protect a party of diplomats, but he would not BE the leader when it came to talking, it wouldn't even be Daniel. It would be someone trained in diplomacy. Someone who wouldn't step on toes or take matters into their own hands.
I am getting off the point really, but what I am trying to say is that, as Thor said, It is not a perfect universe, O'Neill. Yet the fan fiction AND the show always has SG1 toddling through the Stargate, bumping into slack handfuls of System Lords and other assorted aliens, saving worlds with their own particular brand of morality which isn't always appropriate OR welcome and whether the people of the world want it or not, and then toddling back through the Stargate in time for supper.
My story is a story of discovery of two people, one from Earth, and she has hangups and self doubts galore, the other from a warlike hostile species, used to being thought of as a god, and obeyed. They are thrown together in situations from which they have to go back to basics to learn how to interact with each and the people around them. The humans have a bad side, and so do the Goa'uld. But somewhere inside there is also a good side to both and redeeming features for both. And that would, in reality be the saving of a galaxy. An ability of both to accept the other for what they are, live with and be able to iron out the main difficulties. The old Start Trek maxim - the IDIC - Infinite diversities in Infinite combinations!
Oops.....off my soapbox now!!
:blush:Anni,
I enjoyed your soapbox. One of the things that you are absolutely correct about is learning how to get along! No we have no right to go an tamper with societies that are not ours but even observing them is a form of tampering. We can not touch without change.. While yours is a real life arguement and very valid the writers need rating points and thus BAD Evil Goa'ulds...
May I remind people that in the Trek Universe the Klingons started off as the Baddies and really Evil Emeny and evolved into partners.... more as what happens in real life... Same for the Ferengi (except that Quark's brother Rom ended up running the Ferengi Empire and making it a kinder and gentler place....LOLLOL! Talk about something happening to a Spencerian Cutthroat Marketplace)
I happened to enjoy what part of Anni's story I have read! I like the different perspective on the Goa'uld... after all they did give rise to the Tok'Ra...
I enjoyed your soapbox. One of the things that you are absolutely correct about is learning how to get along! No we have no right to go an tamper with societies that are not ours but even observing them is a form of tampering. We can not touch without change.. While yours is a real life arguement and very valid the writers need rating points and thus BAD Evil Goa'ulds...
May I remind people that in the Trek Universe the Klingons started off as the Baddies and really Evil Emeny and evolved into partners.... more as what happens in real life... Same for the Ferengi (except that Quark's brother Rom ended up running the Ferengi Empire and making it a kinder and gentler place....LOLLOL! Talk about something happening to a Spencerian Cutthroat Marketplace)
I happened to enjoy what part of Anni's story I have read! I like the different perspective on the Goa'uld... after all they did give rise to the Tok'Ra...
Thanks JSC....... what a lovely compliment from a lovely lady! For that you get the next part, if you so wish.......
Yes, you are very right, we can't observe without tampering. Which of course is why any first contact needs to be with trained people who know how to translate the atmosphere and assess how much damage would be actually done by actual physical contact. That's why countries have diplomats. Okay, so to many people diplomacy is saying 'nice doggy' while you look for a big stick to hit him with, but I have met people from the British Diplomatic Corps who take their duties VERY seriously indeed and have everyone's best interests at heart. . And that's just on this planet where we are all human! I worked with one for five months, he had previously been the Ambassador to Quatar and trouble spots in the Middle East. Where intrigue is rife and diplomatic skills need to be sharp and perceptive!
As you say, the Tok'ra ARE Goa'uld, they are not a different species, they have just developed a different attitude because they were isolate from the mainstream Goa'uld. This doesn't mean that the Goa'uld couldn't learn to do the same if it meant the survival of their species.
I'd say that if fans want to vent about evil and make the Goa'uld the whipping boy, that's fine and their choice entirely. However, I try to use everything I have learned in 50 years of experience as a professional human, 25 years as a professional musician, 10 years as a professional soldier and 30 years in total of being a profession mother in my writing, and I know that there are many sides to a story!
Oops there I go again!
Okay, me shut up now!
Yes, you are very right, we can't observe without tampering. Which of course is why any first contact needs to be with trained people who know how to translate the atmosphere and assess how much damage would be actually done by actual physical contact. That's why countries have diplomats. Okay, so to many people diplomacy is saying 'nice doggy' while you look for a big stick to hit him with, but I have met people from the British Diplomatic Corps who take their duties VERY seriously indeed and have everyone's best interests at heart. . And that's just on this planet where we are all human! I worked with one for five months, he had previously been the Ambassador to Quatar and trouble spots in the Middle East. Where intrigue is rife and diplomatic skills need to be sharp and perceptive!
As you say, the Tok'ra ARE Goa'uld, they are not a different species, they have just developed a different attitude because they were isolate from the mainstream Goa'uld. This doesn't mean that the Goa'uld couldn't learn to do the same if it meant the survival of their species.
I'd say that if fans want to vent about evil and make the Goa'uld the whipping boy, that's fine and their choice entirely. However, I try to use everything I have learned in 50 years of experience as a professional human, 25 years as a professional musician, 10 years as a professional soldier and 30 years in total of being a profession mother in my writing, and I know that there are many sides to a story!
Oops there I go again!
Okay, me shut up now!
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