Aliens (1986)

Am I alone in liking the theatrical release better than the extended version?
Okay we loose the mini guns [very cool] and a few other bits [mainly annoying kids] but then we only know as much as the Marines do when they arrive at the colony.
 
I think you've got a point. The colony bits in the extended edition do feel a bit weaker than the rest of the film: there's something slightly cheesy and sitcom-y about some of the acting, and it probably does give away too much. I like the sentry gun bits a lot, and some of the earlier stuff with Ripley is good. Perhaps the ultimate edition would skip the colony scenes and keep the other extra stuff.
 
Is Aliens the one where there are alien eggs in the spacecraft's lab, and they get loose? You spend the entire movie (safely sitting on your sofa) calling out "Shut the effing DOOR, you moron!” and “Close the hatch, you halfwit!” etc etc. Spaceship discipline seems to be entirely absent. Talking about running a tight ship – a loosely-fitting one. I’d say. :ROFLMAO:
 
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In Aliens, two face huggers are set loose in a locked room with Ripley and Newt...
 
It's sometimes easy to look into the aspects of something too deeply. Alien was a horror movie, with the 'creature/psycho killer' being in this case from another planet, the 'confined space' being a spaceship and the vulnerable victims its crew rather than hapless teenagers. Cue lots of dark recesses and gruesome deaths. Ash and W-Y are the devices used to create a twist before the ending.

Aliens is a war movie, heavily influenced by the Vietnam war. Cue heavily armoured and weaponed, over-confident troops being sent into a war zone for which they are unprepared. Cue lots of bulging muscles, huge guns (their ship itself is even gun-shaped) and bullets flying, with their oppnents 'coming out of the walls' and outflanking them. Bishop is the device used here to create the double twist.

Exactly. What made both movies remarkable is that the protagonists were space truckers and grunts, with several middle aged. They dressed regularly and even looked like that, and I think audiences, who had similar backgrounds, saw themselves in them while at the same time were reminded of how large corporations were taking advantage of them via low pay, the top brass getting away with it, high costs when the bills arrive, and so on. Even the aspirations of the protagonists reflected that, e.g., bonuses for delivering the ore early, getting full shares for any finds monetized, a last mission before one finishes one's tour and receive a steady pension while looking for more lucrative gigs in the private sector, and so on. That reminds me of one scene from an audio drama where the Jordens talked about striking it rich if what they find is some lucrative site for minerals, such that they could get a handsome share of the profits and not only get off the rock and head back home but even retire early. Maybe even Parker and Brett were dreaming of the same.

But I think things began to change after the 1980s, as producers realized that tent-poles were now beginning to target audiences that were younger (i.e., not much concerns about being caught in a dead-end job or paying bills, at least not yet) and with more disposable income from parents who showered them with more expensive toys like all sorts of gadgets, and who had bright views of a future as they worked and played hard to get cars, their own place, etc., which is why eventually movies began to feature younger protagonists, and in many cases not only hapless but also cute teenagers.

Finally, the reference to the Vietnam war is remarkable. In his audio commentary, Cameron made it very clear that he wanted to depict Weyland-Yutani as an evil corporation and operating in collusion with the military; meanwhile, he wanted to depict the military as arrogant, like those who fought in the war. This explains why together with Vietnam he also mentioned the U.S. defense industry, the East India Company which took advantage of India as it was being colonized, and the Bhopal disaster, which took place while he was drafting the screenplay.

I'm not sure if that political theme can still appear in future films and TV shows, although I'm told that the new TV show will focus on that plus avoid the set design employed in the prequels.
 
Am I alone in liking the theatrical release better than the extended version?
Okay we loose the mini guns [very cool] and a few other bits [mainly annoying kids] but then we only know as much as the Marines do when they arrive at the colony.

The first is tighter, which is supposed to be the case for what was already a very long movie, and allows people to focus on the action, but the extended version is remarkable because it emphasizes what actually dominates, which turns out not to be action. I realized only later that the main action scene begins after more than an hour into the film, and that much of the content is actually exposition with character development, and driven by combinations of political intrigue, drama, and even humor. That includes the scenes with the colony manager and the Jordens.

The one with the mini guns was remarkable because it reminded me of movies like Zulu (1964) or movies where waves of the enemy attacked and momentarily stopped because they were merely probing the defenses.

I wondered why this was so, and then discovered that Cameron is a liberal, just like Weaver. If you look at his favorite movies, they're a mix of adventure, comedy, drama, sci-fi, horror, and crime. As I looked at his other films, I noticed that he's essentially a storyteller, and would even avoid the use of firearms if he could.

That reminds me of one funny anecdote: the reason why he was able to get Weaver (who I think is more interested in drama and comedy) to sign up for the sequel was because he made it appear that if she didn't join them, he would come up with a sequel featuring Arnold Schwarzenegger.
 
Is Aliens the one where there are alien eggs in the spacecraft's lab, and they get loose? You spend the entire movie (safely sitting on your sofa) calling out "Shut the effing DOOR, you moron!” and “Close the hatch, you halfwit!” etc etc. Spaceship discipline seems to be entirely absent. Talking about running a tight ship – a loosely-fitting one. I’d say. :ROFLMAO:

They're in the med lab, and were supposed to be prepared by Bishop for transport to company labs. That's a very weird scene, too, because Ripley doesn't tell the Marines what Burke was going to do. On top of that, Bishop is supposed to work for the Marines (because he mans the APC) and probably even ECA but gets his orders from Burke.

There are more problems with the movie, especially the point that they launched a nuclear-armed warship with no captain and crew, and then left it unmanned in orbit. And according to one manual, if you look at the smart gun, you'll notice that it's illogically made: in order to use it prone, you'll have to lie on your back. But you sometimes need to take cover if the ones you're fighting aren't things like aliens but hostiles with firearms.

Add to this the lack of transmitters by the colony and the Marines, not setting up a command post outside the colony, a non-warrant officer operating the dropship, etc.
 
Add to this the lack of transmitters by the colony and the Marines, not setting up a command post outside the colony, a non-warrant officer operating the dropship, etc.
Where are you getting all these "facts?" Officers, enlisted and warrants have all been pilots in the US military, let alone all militaries.
 
Where are you getting all these "facts?" Officers, enlisted and warrants have all been pilots in the US military, let alone all militaries.

I think a dropship pilot, especially of one containing bombs, would at least be a warrant officer instead of a corporal.

Also, a nuclear-armed vessel that's the equivalent of a capital ship would at least have a capitain and crew. Who will navigate it if the autopilot malfunctions? Who will make repairs? Even a towing vehicle like the Nostromo had autopilot but also a complement of seven, including two engineers, one navigator, and one comms officer.
 
Before the final barrow , perphaps Ripley and company should have checked the ceiling ?;)
 
Baylor they’re coming outta the walls! They’re coming outta the goddamn walls!
 
I think this kind of hole-picking is pointless to argue about. I'm out.
Baylor they’re coming outta the walls! They’re coming outta the goddamn walls!

Oh for heavens sakes In not nit picking not at all ! They all wondering how the Aliens could have gotten in , their expressions their faces, all of the realization may they underestimated the intelligence of the creatures and did any of us think to check the ceiling ? I thought it was great scene, especially when Hicks went checking the ceiling and sees all those Aliens creeping in . :cool::D
 
With later additions to the political situation in earth it makes Aliens harder to understand. In the Alien RPG Weyland- Yutani is now a major force in the Anglo Japanese Three World Empire, even having seats in Parliament, whereas the marines are from The United Americas, these two empires are in competition with full blown warfare expected any time, however for some reason The Three World Empire uses the United Americas colonial forces to defend its own colonial possessions. This is like having the French Empire supply ships and troops for the English East India Company. I guess this is the drawback to retro fitting a history and politics to an existing story.
 
I think a dropship pilot, especially of one containing bombs, would at least be a warrant officer instead of a corporal.

Also, a nuclear-armed vessel that's the equivalent of a capital ship would at least have a capitain and crew. Who will navigate it if the autopilot malfunctions? Who will make repairs? Even a towing vehicle like the Nostromo had autopilot but also a complement of seven, including two engineers, one navigator, and one comms officer.
I think you have strongly held opinions about the unimportant backstory of a silly piece of fiction, and it is off-putting to talk to you.

I'm also out.
 
I love the first 3 films. The disused concept of III about the monks had been highly influential in my latest novel.

As far as the other stuff goes… bahhhh. Reminds me of Star Wars ‘fans’ telling me why I should not like Star Wars. I just think ‘cool story bro, more content for me.’
 

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