Highlander III

honestly, the only reason, i think, Connor didn't have a wife is b/c the writers needed an excuse for Connor to sleep w/ the chic in the film -- totally stupid idea - since when does gratuitous sex make a bad movie better? if they wanted this to be a good 'Highlander' film, they should have spent more time developing a quality storyline and less time turning Connor into a sex-crazed fiend -

of course - since DPP was involved (and ya saw what they did w/ Duncan - the slut) that explains the completely unnecessary sex scene -- a scene that absolutely did not add anything to the movie - didn't really detract from it - Connor is still a man - but it didn't move the story along -- you can show two ppl being interetested in one another w/o showing them having sex --- how ridiculous ---


but - anyway --- the 'glancing' mention of Brenda still bothers me - and then - NONE of Connor's former lovers/wives/etc are mentioned (w/ the possible exception of Heather) in Endgame - okay - so ---- b/c Connor's gonna die, his life isn't important?? what the heck is that about?????


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Originally posted by markpud
it was set after he'd won the prize though wasn't it (depending on your canon of course), so he figured that there wouldn't be any more immie trouble, so having the one thing he could never previously have; a family, could have been appealing to him.
I agree about the no wife bit though...
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okay - about the prize --- well, i read that what many fans have 'conceded' is that Connor didn't really win the prize, he just got a really really really powerful quickening -- this is how the movie and the series mesh --

however - it is easier to believe (w/o a little stretch of imagnation) that 3 immies were trapped inside a mountain X yrs ago, and when Connor killed the Kurgan, he did think it was over - thus moving on w/ his life -- okay, i can buy that -- still think he would have had a wife -- and there should have been more explanation to WHY he had to adopt a son -- b/c at the end of Highlander he says that he can 'have children, live and grow old' all that 'human' stuff -- so, there would need to be a reason why he didn't have a biological child -- and he might become suspicious about those reasons ---- more detail!! -- back to the immies in the mtn -- okay, so they're stuck there - and Connor thinks he's the last one - and he supposedly has this weird power to know what other ppl are thinking (which mysteriously disappears in HL3) and 10 years later, some chic is digging around in Japan and these 3 immies that were stuck, are now free and go roaming around looking for the only other immie left - Connor ---

so - suspend disbelief a smidge and this movie is a bit better -- still not quite up to the standard of the original - but, passable
 
oh yeah i do agree, this was much better than HII (still not seen the RV cut mind) and this should have been the sequel, cos it makes mroe sense in the canon.

The trouble is that the orig film was made in such a way that rules have had to be broken to get a sequel or 3 out of it. Good example the mind reading thing...
 
hmm - what other rules have been broken??


1) mind reading thing (i can kinda live w/ this one, but it was still ignored)

2) that Connor was done cleaning up the planet of all the bad immies, but now he's gotta start all over again b/c Duncan appeared out of nowhere and seemed to bring a whole tribe w/ him

3) that Connor would be the most irresponsible idiot and drive his car off a bridge w/ his mortal wife inside and she would die and he would be okay (where the heck did this come from anyway? wouldn't he figure, then, that if he didn't die after being incvolved in a fatal crash that he wasn't the only one anymore??)

4) (okay, this one isn't a broken rule, it's more an addendum to #2) -- the pre-immie thing - if that existed, then Connor wouldn't have been last - b/c there are other pre-immies running around who could sneak up on his ass and take his head -- (after they had died a violent death- which btw - we only know about from an ep of Raven - wtf?!?!?)

5) - we never learn how immies become immies, or where they come from ('cept in HL2 - but we'll not go there) until and ep of the Raven where Amanda tells Nick that pre-immies become immies only when they die a violent death -- which - okay, i guess i can buy - but that still doesn't tells us WHERE they came from - do they just appear out of nowhere on someone's doorstep one day???

any other broken rules???
 
i'm willing to forget the whole "i'm the only one left - oh hang on heres my bro Duncan and 5 years worth of weekly vists from other immies" because they wouldn't have had much of a series then could they??

by pre-immie i assume you mean someone like Ritchie in the beginning of the series, hes a mortal, but when he "dies" he discovers hes immortal.. good job he didnt live a long and healtly live and die of old age, then he'd be an ancient decrepid immortal! So we know this from the highlander series, not just from Raven then...
 
Originally posted by markpud
i'm willing to forget the whole "i'm the only one left - oh hang on heres my bro Duncan and 5 years worth of weekly vists from other immies" because they wouldn't have had much of a series then could they??
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well - i could forget that - but only if they had given a really good explanation to WHY -- see - in Highlander we were all under the impression that Connor had taken out the last one --

if they had said somewhere w/in the first ep (preferrably) or the 1st season - that Connor had really just killed the oldest, known, living immie and got one hell of a quickening - and gained some weird powers (b/c this is a fantasy program) -- and there really were other immies around -- Connor just got so zapped from the quickening that he had a smidgen of amnesia -- i MIGHT be able to buy it --- but they didn't even put any effort into explaining a transition --- it was kinda dumb ---

if they wanted the series to be independent of the films, they should have left Connor out of the 1st ep -- (tho i would have been sad - b/c i LOVE Connor) ---





by pre-immie i assume you mean someone like Ritchie in the beginning of the series, hes a mortal, but when he "dies" he discovers hes immortal.. good job he didnt live a long and healtly live and die of old age, then he'd be an ancient decrepid immortal! So we know this from the highlander series, not just from Raven then...
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yes - someone like Richie -- and yes, richie died a 'violent' death -- and didn't die of old age, then become immie -- but they never SAID in the series that a pre-immie had to die violently to become immie -- they didn't come out and say it until the Raven --

so - if you watch close, you could conclude that violent death was necessary - but it still doesn't answer the burning question that HL2 tried to answer --

where do immies come from??

a friend proposed this scenario --- immies are sent from the future into the past and live up to their 'end' time -- ie: Kalas - he's really from 1995 (or whenever it was that he was in the show) - so, he's sent back 1000 years (we'll say that's how old he is), and he's a child again - a foundling like all immies, and grows up like any other kid during that time -- wherever he lives - and then one day - he's like 25 -- the neighbor from down the lane who never liked him anyway, runs him over w/ a carriage, and the horses stomp him to death (that's pretty violent) -- okay - so, now he's immie -- so he gets up and runs away for fear of being trampled again -- he bumps into some other immie - an older guy who's been around a while - and learns the stuff -- >>>> FF to 1995 - he taunts Duncan b/c of a meeting in their past and they climb to the top of the Eifel Tower and duke it out -- well, b/c it's his time to die - Kalas loses and Duncan gets the quickening -- only Kalas wouldn't have known he was gonna die - his memory would have been wiped clean --

guess this could work --- but, it would also mean that the 'winner' was also predetermined - only he/she doesn't know it ---
 
First...I could have sworn it said somewhere in the series (or mebbe Endgame?) that a Pre-Immie always died a violent or accidental death....maybe not that it _had_ to happen but that it always seemed to.

Erm..and though there's no canon on where Immies come from, there's a good fic around about it if I can dig it up. Do you want me to post the URL if I find it?

~ana
 
Originally posted by Analise
First...I could have sworn it said somewhere in the series (or mebbe Endgame?) that a Pre-Immie always died a violent or accidental death....maybe not that it _had_ to happen but that it always seemed to.

Erm..and though there's no canon on where Immies come from, there's a good fic around about it if I can dig it up. Do you want me to post the URL if I find it?

~ana
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i don't remember hearing it in the series anywhere -- or in Endgame -- but haven't watched much Highlander lately -

i just know that it was said in Raven - a friend told me ---


sure - post the URL -- always looking for good fanfic ---
 
I hadn't heard the violent deaths thing although it makes sense....so does that mean that if someone was a pre-immortal and didn't die a violent death that they just never become an immortal at all?
 
Originally posted by Diamond9697
I hadn't heard the violent deaths thing although it makes sense....so does that mean that if someone was a pre-immortal and didn't die a violent death that they just never become an immortal at all?
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yep - or so i gathered based on the info from the Raven -- but - hey - i'm not DPP so don't ask me to fill in all of the blanks -- oh - don't ask DPP either -- b/c they don't know either
 
hmm, interesting stuff. But what if they lived to be 80, but then died a violent death. THen they'd be permanently old and weak, so wouldnt last long, it happens with kids, so I dont see why not...

As for Raven I've not seen much of it, its not been on much in teh UK..how many seasons were there anyway? Just one?
 
umm...yeah...there was just one season as far as I know...I never did get into it much so I can't be sure...it was just to...different I guess
 
yeah - that's probably why there's no thread here about it - i never watched it -- okay -i watched a couple eps, but i wasn't impressed --- and they didn't use any of the characters that they should have -- that was the biggest problem - they didn't bring Methos or Duncan in -- kinda dumb -- and i don't know if they mentioned Rebecca much or not - she was really important to Amanda's life -- oh -- and the best part - they totally changed the character -- yeah, sure, she was a thief, but they changed her lifestyle and such --- didn't make much sense ---


okay -- anyway -- back to the topic of the thread --


Just watched HLIII the other day ---

FFWD'd through much of it tho b/c i don't like the story --
and there are some stupid things and some questions that need answers -- so, here goes --

1) it alters the story of how Connor got his sword -- in the 1st movie Ramirez 'gifted' it to Connor --- ie: Connor 'inherited' it after Ramirez died; in HLIII Nakano gives it to him - uh - HELLO! blatant canon alteration!

2) however, the new sword giving scene teaches Connor how to actually MAKE a sword (tho he knew blacksmithing, he didn't know how to make this baby! - great sword too!)

3) he does learn a cool new trick - (small concelation for the canon screw up)

4) oh - what's w/ this magic crap? illusion powers and all? huh? what? where the heck did this come from?? (Panzer's ass i would imagine) {sorry, being snarky}

5) how are these other 2 immies (the 2 mongul warriors) feeling the quickening when Kane takes Nakano's head? that never happened before.

6) there are never any other references to the 'altered' MacLeod tartan that Connor supposedly wears -- (another something from Panzer's ass, i suppose)

7) the ring he's given by Sarah - this is NO WHERE in the 1st movie - no mention, nothing -- again - makin' it up as they go

8) the 'Holy Ground' battle - why did they fight here? didn't Ramirez say that 'none of us will break that rule. it's tradition'?? didn't he say that? um - so, why did Kane? this makes no sense --

9) however, Connor's sword is broken (he has to use that skill he learned from Nakano, so it has to break) -- is it broken b/c he's defending his life on holy ground? and if holy ground had anything to do with it, they why didn't Kane's sword break instead?? (i'm lost on this one)

10) What happened to Pierre Bouchet's quickening? Connor was pretty close -- he didn't cut off Pierre's head, but he was near enough when it was cut off -- (lost again)

11) [And this is the biggie!] Where is Rachel??? um - HELLO! she was the most important thing in Connor's life for a very long time, and even if he ran off to Scotland w/ Brenda, I don't think he would completely forget about Rachel

this movie? hmmmmmm - well, i think that Panzer and friends were trying to make something completely independent of the series - b/c all of the established canon stuff in the series is completely ignored (and yes, the series was airing when they filmed and released this movie); so, if DPP was planning to keep them separate, then why 1) was Connor in the 1st ep of the series; 2) did they even put Connor in the 4th movie? or, why did they even make the 4th movie? ARGH!!! have i mentioned lately how little sense this movie makes when put w/ the other one?? yeah - just Highlander - forget II --- it still doesn't make any sense --- ack!!!!!!!
 
yep - most of them are things i didn't really remember until i watched it again the other nite ---

and i was REALLY looking at it this time -- there was so much goofed up stuff --

actually -- i FFWD'd through a lot, so there's probably a lot more that is wrong, i just didn't catch it b/c i was watching the other parts ---


markpud -- go watch HLIII --------- then, you'll have to watch Highlander just to undepress yourself ----- so - 5 or 6 hours of Highlander for you!!
 
sounds like you might have a problem there, my friend --

don't you know you're supposed to keep the Highlander collection close at hand so you can watch it whenever you need to?????

you were apparently not taught by the master --


Connor will instruct you now:

<Connor gets out roll of duct tape and tapes copies of all Highlander movies to markpud so he never leaves home w/o them again>

okay - so he really didn't, but you get the idea!
 
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