what would you do in case of being host ?

[Anni]

Geronimo........ The Goa'uld aren't any more evil than anyone else. Many evils have been done on earth which would match the supposed hideous things that the Goa'uld are supposed to have done It suits people to believe that they could not and would not possibly do any of those things to each. But we have done, and still do. It's a form of transference. We transfer to an imaginary evil enemy all of those characteristics we loathe most in ourselves. Most people learn to view evil as a very simplistic thing. A show like Stargate and an enemy like the Goa'uld are just a projection of human thinking. The show is our way of saying that we abhor cruelty, torture and the unwilling possession of another creature, yet in real life this happens all the time and we DO do these things to each other.

In reality, we might be shocked by their apparent lack of morality, but we would have to remember that another species and culture would have a totally different moral code and it would very wrong of us to try to impose our morality on them, even if the things they did were absolutely not acceptable to us. We wouldn't have the right to judge the Goa'uld, any more than they would have the right to judge us.

Judge not, lest ye be judged!

I would be a Goa'uld because at least they aren't ambiguous creatures, also I would love to have the good health and the genetic knowledge. Everything is black or white to them, no shades of grey, which can be very attractive sometimes. Also in the light of the 'whiter than white' SG1, I find their wickedness very appealing indeed.

Which is, of course, why I am an Ashrak in the pay of the System Lords.

So I send my greetings and words of support to you, First Prime of Apophis!:naughty: :naughty:

 

[MsGudBod]

Quit amiable Anni. But until His return and evil is cut off for good, we must maintain and keep vigil. Only God sees black or white and no shades of gray. This flesh we are incased in is our worst enemy. Where the spirit is willing the flesh is weak.

Judge not, lest ye be judged!

the origin is biblical and slightly off key, because judge or not we all will be judged.
You are a deep Ashrak, I think I like you.
I think they call it Respect.

But I would prefer the old first Prime of Apophis. :rolly2:

 

[MsGudBod]

Guess I killed this thread.
<dropping the bloody knife, turns and runs>

 

[Geronimo]

kel sha,

yesterday i saw a docu about the BSE crisis in europe and how they burn thousands of animals and then in later night a docu about paratroops in earlier wars and how they were slaughtered ..

due to stargate was yesterday @ 22.10 my first thought after this docs was : if it would be possible to travel through a stargate to the goa'uld it only can get better or equal than here (tau'ri) ...

kree sha

 

[Anni]

Kel Sha Geronimo (and MSGudBod)

I think you might be referring to the foot and mouth crisis in Europe, not BSE. As far as I am aware there is BSE in Europe but it isn't at crisis level. They slaughter the animals to prevent the spread of foot and mouth. Human beings can't get foot and mouth. We can walk through infected areas and then take it to a place where animals can contract it.

There is a great deal of misunderstanding about this. And an appalling amount of ignorance, which is very scary since communications are much better in modern times. It indicates an alarming trend towards the saying 'ignorance is bliss, where 'tis folly to be wise!'

The humans revel and delight in their appalling ignorance, much as the Goa'uld revel and delight in conquering and subduing. They have more in common than they think. Perhaps this is the reason why SG1 are so adamant that the notion of being hosts is so repulsive. Perhaps they look at the Goa'uld and see a mirror image of themselves!



Kree Sha

 

[Geronimo]

kel sha,

:aliengray excuse me for my mistake ... of course i mean the foot and mouth crisis ...
and that's not all -- the damn EU (i am feelin' so bad that my country is in this corrupt organisation) want to burn (=kill) more cattles to raise the market price - where does this end ?
perhaps in some years they kill some humans to raise the earnings for each one !
yeah anni - u're right ..
they only hate the goa'uld 'cos they are feared about the fact that they are not better than their enemies ..

kree sha

 

[MsGudBod]

Both you guys are right. Since when can either of you remember any form of higher government admitting their faults. Look at the U.S. A. and the China incident that just happened. The now President Bush, who many are calling a "given man", refused to apologize for his wrong doing. ANd I feel like they were wrong in causing a death in the process of whatever they were doing. He may have just caused a major ripple in our peace with China, by not wanting to seem whimpy and say "I'm sorry". Look at Roosevelt, he spoke softly and carried a big stick.

Anni,
two things:
1. I was under the impression that the hoof and mouth disease could also be spread by the wind carring the ashes of all those burned animals. So, how by burning them are they solving anything?

2. In reality you do realize that the killing of people for their cause may have already occured, just hasn't been discovered yet. (ex. The first slave found hanging from the tree lynched, was not the last so how can we believe he was the first lynched. He was just the first found.)

My apologies if I have offended anyone with the truth, but "the truth shall make you free"

 

[Anni]

I don't know......sigh, you people don't half start me off, so I'll go on another rant......I can't help it.

You may be right about the ashes carrying on the wind. However, burning the carcasses seems to be the only way to get rid of it all, and presumably the heat of burning may help towards destroying the virus (although I am not sure about that). They don't just pile them high and then burn them and leave them, they seem to be digging pits and then covering them over once the carcasses are burned.

About people being killed for a cause. That has been happening since time immemorial in many parts of the world. The very fact that we allow that to happen makes us no better than a species like the Goa'uld would be.

I often see a lot of what many would call healthy opinions about good folk and evil folk on the Stargate lists. There certainly is a great many views about how good humans are and how bad aliens are/might be.

The writers of this show are only human and project a good many of their own prejudices into their stories. Prejudices which come over in the main characters of the show. Many people, believe it or not, take the media's lead as to what is morally correct, and many people confuse what is real with what is pumped out as entertainment. Some children, shoved in front of the 'goggle box' get no guidance at all, and everything they learn about wrong and right is what is shoved into them via TV shows. Therefore any prejudices which are perpetuated by a show are subsequently passed on.

Another thing which comes over strongly in Stargate and other shows is the proprietal attitude of the US when it comes to what's good for the rest of the world. i.e. Let's suppose, as in the show, America has the Stargate, they decide to keep it a secret from the rest of the world, for what purpose? For the good of the world? In case we all panic? And at what stage precisely would our 'protectors' actually tell the rest of the world that the barbarians were hammering the gate down? When cities start to disintegrate? When we're all being herded onto other planets to be selected as slaves or hosts? Perhaps when all of the selected US people had been safely sent to the 'Beta Site'. What do you imagine they'd say?

'Er.....sorry guys, we knew about these aliens all along, in fact it was us who found the means to contact them. We annoyed them, killed them and now they're coming to get you! But it'll be okay, don't worry about it, just close your eyes and you won't feel a thing! Bye Bye, Cya around the galaxy.'

The US in particular has a penchant for delving into the affairs of other countries and telling them how wrong they are. (And this comes out in the constant good versus evil theme in shows like Stargate) This is not acceptable to many of us outside the US, because many of us know that charity begins at home. The US has many issues that it should deal with before coming into somebody else's backyard.

Black issues, Hispanic issues, issues involving a huge number of the population who live well below the poverty level. The list is fairly endless. As it is for most countries in this planet we live on. Everyone has problems, no one is perfect.

If I was ever introduced to a species like the Goa'uld, I would find myself unable to give an opinion about how good or evil they were, because I have no real knowledge of them. But I also know that to survive is the strongest instinct I have and if becoming a host meant the difference between living and dying, I'd probably opt for the host. Even if my own mind was subdued. I'd have to figure that 'where there's life, there's hope'!



Of course it could also be a case of 'Hope springs eternal, but fools go on forever!'

:clown:

 

[MsGudBod]

Whew!
Anni,
You're gonna have to give me a minute to reply to that one. I'll start with.........

The good and evil thing.

America was founded by cutthroats and thieves, they were basically outcasts in their own countries. They came here stole Native American land, in the process killing them and the land, later got greedier and thought about a way to work the land and lay on their tail as they did, so they procured slaves, black ones this time, not the white ones who had a better chance of escape. Because they could always go two miles down the road and claim to be free, but not blacks, their very coloring proclaimed them slave, even if they had a piece of paper saying otherwise. But i digress........back to the good and evil.

When you say America, i am not offended like most people here are because left up to them i wouldn't even classify even though i am part Native American, of which they stole the land from, and since that period have been governing it the way they want. They make the misinformed and misunderstanding think they have a voice in anything that goes on. Domacracy crapola.
They fail to realize that many things have already been decided before hand. Such as..........

The Mars expedition that they just (so they claim) to have began. How are we to know that they haven't had shuttles up there for the last 10 yrs. ? Already experimenting on people by sending them to test the lay of the land. You say who? How about the homeless who would miss them, right?

Exactly what is good and what is evil?
Many project their own definitions upon these two words. If people would stop operating in total fantasy and egocentricism maybe then they would have to seek a spiritual understanding.

I know i dabble in fantasy myself, just being here in these threads is fantasy, but when I shut off my computer I am not lost.

 

[MsGudBod]

Of course it could also be a case of 'Hope springs eternal, but fools go on forever!'

by Anni

These words say more than me and you could ever express. Hope is the core of our(humanity) existance, fools seem always to lerk in the shadows.

 

[kelsi]

Wow, this has turned into quite a moral thread!

Erm, just one question, msGB, I hope u don't mind, but are you a Christian, 'cos it seems to be coming across that way...

 

[MsGudBod]

I proudly say yes.

As it is written in the Bible and i paraphrase here 'deny me and I shall deny you before my father."
saying "depart from me you worker of iniquity, I know you not."

 

[Jessa]

KILL YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!



(Sorry that's my answer to everything! if u can't tie a shoelace, Kill yourself! If u can't watch Stargate, Kill yourself!! i'm like that! i have a mad streak running through me!! i think i inherited it from my mum's side........ )

 

[Jessa]

Gotta go!!! watching the Eurovision!! bye bye :rolly2: (Might come on again later)

 

[Geronimo]

about suicide ...

kel sha,

some quotes about suicide from different chars ..

"every suicide on tau'ri's side is a win on our side" by Apophis

"suicide may not be a constructive solution. perhaps we should look for a more optimal solution" by Teal'c

"take it easy -- everyone must die anytime" by Jack



kree sha

 

[Jessa]

Die!! u evil Gou'ld worshipper!!! Die!!! AAARRRGGGGG I'm ANGRY!!!:angryfire :angryfire

 

[kelsi]

Re: about suicide ...

Hey, Jessa, calm down! And besides, your post is now surrounded by Apophis worshippers! Hehe. Nice to see you're posting, you've nearly got your 2nd alien!

Hey, Geronimo, whet eps were these in?

Originally posted by Geronimo
"every suicide on tau'ri's side is a win on our side" by Apophis

"suicide may not be a constructive solution. perhaps we should look for a more optimal solution" by Teal'c

"take it easy -- everyone must die anytime" by Jack

None of them sound familiar, or is that just me being immensly dense. (say that outloud, it sounds funny)

 

[Anni]

:karate: :karate:

Oops.......'nother evil Goa'uld worshipper rearing her ugly head here!

:upto: :evil: :evil:

Sorry girl, you're surrounded!

How did the Eurovision Song thingy go? I make it a rule not to watch them these days, because dying of terminal boredom doesn't do anything for me!

:laugh: :laugh:

 

[Jessa]

Estonia won. We only got 28 points (United Kingdom):rain: :laugh: :rotate: :smilej: :twirl:

 

[Anni]

Estonia?



Well that just about says it all, don'tcha think?