5.14: The Summit

I loved this episode - this is what Stargate is about in my opinion .. and about time we heard of Anubis. Let's hope he kicks some serious a$$. :cool:

Nice to see the return of Sarah/Osiris .. I loved the moment when Daniel says to Jacob that Sarah is there .. not mentioning the all powerful Gou'ald/Egyptian god, but instead using the name of his former girlfriend. :D

Zipacna was suitably arch as before and I hope we see more of him. Yu was good and a couple of the other System lords had potential too.

I would agree that this rates as one of the best, if not THE best episode of the season so far. More please. :cool:
 
Originally posted by pamie


I think you mean the female goa'uld...well if you do the reason that Danny would not kill her was because she was his ex girlfriend from a few years back.....she got turned in a season four episode....So I think he won't complete his mission to kill them all coz she would die too......

Thanks Pamie, i guessed the host was important somehow but couldn't work out how. She looked quite like Sam i thought it might be a sister or someting from an ep I had never seen. Especially as he told Sam's dad the person by name and he knew who danny was talking about.
 
Originally posted by skydiver
yeah but daniel has no idea about anubis, no one really does. all the tokra know is that someone has been kicking the goauld tushes. if daniel knew about anubis then yes he'd be a fool to release the toxin.

i have a funny feeling that osiris didn't blow danny's cover because she wants to use him to get rid of zippy and get herself some more power. there has also been a mentin that the cloning stuff may come up.


I have the feeling that maybe Osiris didn't blow Dannys cover because she knows that the Tok'ra had the plan to kill all the system lords at the station with the toxin and she wants the toxin for herself....although Im not sure if she knows that Danny is friends with the Tok'ra...but lets face it she is not there to play nice with the other system lords...so maybe she thinks she can use Danny in some way...as she must have worked out that he is against them also....

Maybe also the reason why Sam didn't die when Jonliner died was because the Tok'ra symbiote don't release a toxin like the Gou'ald do....ok this is grabbing at straws...but its an idea!
 
i wonder if they're going to
a) ally with the 7 against anubis
b) do something to bring anubis to total power

i keep having this odd thought that somehow they know anibis...but i can't think of anyone affiliated with the sgc who could be this kick butt goauld.

and i'm with you anni on the ascending thing...the fen have already elevated the character to newr god hood, now the show's gonna do it too???? ugghhh. i am so not looking forward to meridian. several people have written fic that simply have him leaving...either to head up his own archaeology team or he just has enough and leaves...and i like that much more than him turning into a god.
 
OK, I have a question; why is it called Last Stand? Who's Last Stand is it gonna be? I mean, the Tok'ra are already all dead, or 99% (Lan'tash and Jacob and a few offworld Tok'ra, and maybe some at a beta base) :rolleyes: so...? Is it the Goa'uld, or Jacob, or who? Any ideas?

Originally posted by Anni
I know you all like simple little feelgood solutions
Anni, please remember that there are a few (but maybe growing) number of the fans who are like you, and 'support' :evil: the Goa'uld; so don't refer to all of us as one; you're not the only one with that opinion of SG1 v Goa'uld!

Re the Jolinar/Sam thing; maybe Jolinar could choose whether to release the toxin? Or there was something different about her / the situation in which she died to stop her releasing the toxin? Or maybe it's something in the way the toxin works in their body wich forces the symbiote to force them to release the toxin? Whereas Jolinar was dying more slowly so she could choose, or dilute it? Or maybe simply the Ashrak weapon is designed to kill the symbiote and deliberately not the host?

DJ ascending doesn't mean he's gonna be a God; the ... well, whetever the ascending people are called still have the rule that Orlin suffered from; they mustn't interfere with other cultures/peoples. So it's not like Daniel's gonna be able to play God.
 
Actually Kelsi...... since the actual Goa'uld supporters are NOT those who post here regularly, I was referring to the majority, NOT the minority. Fans like yourself and others are definitely in the minority here.

I guess it's a case of 'If the cap fits, wear it'. Go back over the postings and you will see why I get the idea that I often feel I am the only one who argues for the show not just being about SG1 and how they feel and interact with each other.

I understand why many who want the show to be true to the original concept don't post, because when we try to state our case, the Jack, Sam, Danny, Teal'c, Major Davis etc lovers immediately jump all over us and say that the show would be nothing without the characters. And I don't disagree, believe it or not. Of COURSE the characters are extremely important, but then so are the aspects of the exploration, new planets, ancient civilisations and religions and other species and also, very importantly, the Goa'uld, simply because without these aspects and their threat the whole premise of the show is rubbish and may as well be a soap opera set in a military base with teams which just happen, as a sideline, to occcasionally step through a gate which takes them to other worlds.

Please don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to tell you or anyone else how to think or what to like. You must be true to what YOU feel.

I don't think that Danny is ascending to be a 'god' at all..... But like Sky I would rather he just went off to permanently join another team which was more concerned with the archaeological and anthropological aspects of gate travel or even just got some wonderful new post at an educational establishment or something. The Oma Desala/Orlin s**t is just too much in my view. Too saccharine and comfortable AND convenient a solution to the actor leaving the show.

In fact, I was never comfortable with the Oma Desala and Harcesis child storyline anyway. I think the whole idea of the offspring of two Goa'uld existing would have had more bite had the safety and welfare of the child just been allowed to be a continuing concern in the background and then brought out as either a main arc or even a sideline in other episodes. Instead, they've fed us with this almost supernatural crappy line and then not either explained or gone deeper into it to give it some credibility.

It's almost as if the writers and producers suddenly get a good idea, build an episode around it and get the viewers going and then just abruptly discard it in favour of something else, instead of keeping the storyline going. Leaving us with questions and plots which are left hanging in mid air. In fact one of the few arcs they have kept going is the Teal'c revenge aspect, but then again, they only used that one to justify the easy killing of the Goa'uld and that was definitely done to appease and feed the majority of the fans' desperate need for the feelgood factor in shows.

I had not seen you post on this thread Kelsi, and I do know that you support my feelings in the main... and if we do disagree then it's a healthy disagreement and one which I both expect and welcome from you!

As for the Last Stand aspect, I have no idea whose last stand it is.... but I have a horrible suspicion that it might be the seven System Lords' last stand. I have a growing feeling that somehow Osiris will get the toxin off Daniel and use it to kill the seven System Lords and will then perhaps try to take over their remaining armies, which will bring her into conflict with Anubis and force him into the open. Remember, Osiris was told by Zipacna that the Tok'ra were planning to release the toxin and it wouldn't have taken her much of a leap of the imagination to realise that this was why Daniel was present at the summit. The Tok'ra won't be able to assist in anything because there's only Jacob and Elliot left (apparently) and earth will be caught in the middle, without ANY kind of allies, of a pitched battle for supremacy between Osiris and Anubis.

Now THAT storyline would make sense to me...... but of course, there is also the 'SG1 are formidable and can crush armies with one hand (or a P90 and some C4 explosive!) and leap over tall buildings' sydrome which exists, and it's possible that Sam will just have one of her 'ideas' and everyone in the galaxy will end up getting nuked by the good old US of A leaving earth the only habitable planet which would then mean then we go underwater and inward on earth to find Atlantis!!! Oh god... I hope not!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :eek: :evil: :(
 
while the tokra are taking a blow, i have an idea that most of them will survive (hammy's 'they're still on the run' comment from fail safe)
and i doubt that the system lords are gonna bite it, my only basis for that fact is mallozzi's statement several months ago that 2 goauld were going to die...and since tanith has died that leaves one more...and it ain't osiris...i know she pops up later from the tiny spoiler i read for meridian (more sam whumping if it's correct)

anyone wanna take bets that in sg-1's scurrying through the tunnels that sam finds ren'al's lab and tries to make more goauld pesticide?
 
anyone wanna take bets that in sg-1's scurrying through the tunnels that sam finds ren'al's lab and tries to make more goauld pesticide?

Oh now that would really take the bloody biscuit!!! I hate to mention this, but Sam is a physicist, not a chemist...... Whilst as a scientist she may well have the basics in chemistry and how to formulate toxins, I would really stop watching if the already impossibly brilliant, beautiful, talented, militarily qualified and perfect Sam suddenly turned out to be the most brilliant chemist in the whole of the d***n galaxy and managed to synthesise boatloads of Goa'uld pesticide. (Why in heck is everybody so desperate to kill them off anyway? So we can get left with Lego bugs?)

Please, Please..... ANYTHING but that.

This woman is not only bloody well bucking for sainthood, she's already made it. St Sam of Cheyenne Mountain. She's so darn pure and holy it's rather sickening. And that's saying something given the fact that I've done very little but throw up for the past few weeks!

I don't think I could stand it..... I really don't. I honestly wish that a stupendously handsome and virile Anubis would come along and have his wicked way with her in a spectacular fashion in a huge, monster x-rated episode. Preferably in front of the whole SG1 team. ANYTHING to make this woman look like a human being instead of perfection personified. Even her couple of mistakes so far in Season 5 (Red Sky being the most notable) have still not tightened her halo or blackened her saintly aura. No wonder she can't get a bloke, they wouldn't be able to keep up with all that perfection.

If she gets any more perfect, she won't need Oma Desala to help her ascend.......

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
i agree. as much as i love sam..her constant saving of the day is getting old. i want her to futz up. i want her to hand her scanner to jack and tell him to stuff it. even the actress wants her to NOT have the answer sometime.

to answer a question, i think the ships were Alkash ( i htink that's what i remember from 48 hours)

i for one am hoping for them to simply blow stuff up and fight their way out.
 
Originally posted by Anni


I don't think that Danny is ascending to be a 'god' at all..... But like Sky I would rather he just went off to permanently join another team which was more concerned with the archaeological and anthropological aspects of gate travel or even just got some wonderful new post at an educational establishment or something. The Oma Desala/Orlin s**t is just too much in my view. Too saccharine and comfortable AND convenient a solution to the actor leaving the show.


I think in a way Michael Shanks would agree with you....

In the new TV Zone magazine there is a article with MS in which he said

"There were a number of agendas that had to be solved' Said the actor "Not only did they need to finish off Daniels journey if you will but they had to introduce a new character. With so many things going on it really was not clear why Daniel was being written out this way. I thought there was a bit if chickening out with how it all happened."


He goes on to say that the writters wanted to say to the fans that Danny was not dead...as they wanted to stop any backlash from fans...as when Martouf was killed the fans went crazy about it and they didnt want this about Danny too.....
 
i know i've read a fic here and there that have daniel simply deciding that a) he's not necessary right now since shau'ri is dead and shifu is off under oma's care and he simply quits
b) he starts up his own team, one that does in depth archaeological surveys and leaves sg-1

in both of those cases i personally find it more palpable than the stuff i've heard about meridian.
and either of those scenarios would make it incredibly easy for danny to come back, easier than him turning into a vorlon for cryin out loud (if you never saw b5 you won' t get that...but i swear oma's race looks a lot like a vorlon)
 
I think that even if it's true that the writers and producers were scared of a fan backlash, they still could have dealt with it in any of the other ways suggested by Sky, myself or others....

He could have just left SG1 to join a long term offworld archaelogical assignment with another team. That would have given him the opportunity to come back and do the occasional adventure with SG1 if necessary.

I really can't understand why they found it necessary to try to deal with it in this rather unbelievable and spectacular fashion. As I said before, I wasn't comfortable with the Oma Desala thing anyway, but was accepting up to a point. However, making Daniel ascend is just stretching my belief level. It's like the Stargate people are trying desperately to add some sort of 'filip' to the show, when really, all they had to do was to stick to the original premise. Instead of which they choose to soar off into the realms of fairytales.

They proved in this episode that they are still able to explore the mysteries of the Goa'uld and, let's face it, we as a species would be rather fascinated with these creatures, even though we disliked their modus operandi. I honestly don't think we would be bucking for their total annihilation at all. And to be honest, I don't think we would be powerful enough to achieve it anyway. Not without a lot of help from a mega powerful group of beings. And I guess this is why so many of the fans yearn for information about the Ancients and Oma Desala's race.... and I guess it's why the Stargate writers and producers opted for Daniel ascending rather than just leaving. But to my mind it's a bloody cop out. And the idea sucks.

The Tok'ra's obsession with destroying their own kind is weird.... always WAS weird to me in fact. They ARE the same species as the Goa'uld no matter how many darn fanfics are written to desperately explain away their differences. It would make more sense for them to want to unite their species, not come up with a toxin which would annihilate their fellow Goa'uld AND themselves for god's sake.

There is far too much always left unexplained in these episodes. We don't know enough about the background to the Tok'ra and the Goa'uld, except the odd thing thrown out during an episode. The Stargate people have been far too absorbed in principal character building to care and also far to absorbed in trying to feed the natural human viewing desire for a 'we all have to have heroes, so the goodies kick *ss' scenario. They've created this evil unlikeable sort of species and given them all the attributes that humans would most despise and be afraid of, when in reality, evil has a certain attraction and charm.... otherwise part of us wouldn't be so attracted to it. And we would be lying if we didn't admit to that.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :cool:
 
here's a twist...what if the tok'ra aren't necessarily the good guys? anyone remember V?....what if earth is helping the tok'ra, who are nicer than the goa'uld....but a snake by any other name and all that.
what if when/if the tokra wipe out the gouald they show their real colors....of people who like domination just as much as the gouald do?

it would be incredibly interesting and one heck of a twist
 
That's precisely the way I have always viewed them..... I have great suspicions about a species who will deny their own kind. which is why I was never particularly impressed with all of the convenient fan and Stargate explanations about why the Tok'ra would be so different.

The Tok'ra were only called that because it meant 'against Ra', a Goa'uld resistance in fact, NOT a different species. They may well have just found it convenient to allow their hosts a say because it would have made it easier for them to assimilate in amongst other humanoids and mimic their behaviour patterns. However, I can't see that they're any different really. They still have a contempt for the earth humans.... any humans in fact and although they try to hide it, it's still fairly apparent.

I think Jack is right in his surmisal.... I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.... at least with the Goa'uld you know where you stand and what they are capable of. They don't pull their punches or or pretend that what they want is anything less than the total subjugation of everyone.

;) :cool:
 
the joy of downloads and squinty vision. santa so kindly got me a sound card for my puter and i can watch that way.

which i'm eternally grateful for since i've never found someone to send me tapes (that darned ntsc/pal thing)
 
what site ya downloading from? the old gamma quadrant site doesn't have season fives that i can see. got a new puter from santa and should be able to handle anything.thanks. what epis are they up to anyway? have they shown the second part last stand yet? what about fail safe? saw you wrote a fic about that-so i guess you squinted through it. wanna see!!!too!!!:(
 
Tatter.... we're up to Last Stand here in the UK. We've already seen Summit, but this will be shown again on January 9th with Last Stand as back to back episodes.

SG1 Archive is currently at a standstill, but there's a message on there which gives a reason. I understand there are a couple of sites that are putting up episodes for downloading, I think Rowan has input into one, but I couldn't swear to that.

The main problem with downloading that I can see is the use of bandwidth... if you have a 56K modem, it doesn't matter how powerful your processor it will still take a while to download. If you have broadband then it won't. I have broadband and it downloads 30 megs in about six minutes, less sometimes. With my old modem it used to take ages and then if the connection crashed out on me I would have to resume the download all over again. That doesn't happen to me now.

;) :cool:
 
Anni wrote:

"Oh now that would really take the bloody biscuit!!! I hate to mention this, but Sam is a physicist, not a chemist...... Whilst as a scientist she may well have the basics in chemistry and how to formulate toxins, I would really stop watching if the already impossibly brilliant, beautiful, talented, militarily qualified and perfect Sam suddenly turned out to be the most brilliant chemist in the whole of the d***n galaxy and managed to synthesise boatloads of Goa'uld pesticide. . . . .

This woman is not only bloody well bucking for sainthood, she's already made it. St Sam of Cheyenne Mountain. She's so darn pure and holy it's rather sickening. "

You forgot 'irresistable - all men must fall in love with her'. Yeesh, she's really turned into 'Mary Sue' hasn't she.
 
Originally posted by Anni
I don't think that Danny is ascending to be a 'god' at all..... But like Sky I would rather he just went off to permanently join another team
But whatever happens, they'll always be criticisms of the show, or how he leaves. I mean, if he left as you (and others) want him to, then there would still be some fans who would say it was lame, and it was a scifi show, so the way he left should be somehow tied in with some of the aliens they've met. So I guess the producers can't please everybody.
Originally posted by Anni
The Oma Desala/Orlin s**t is just too much in my view. Too saccharine and comfortable AND convenient a solution to the actor leaving the show.
But like I said before, the producers or writers probably put a lot of work into that idea, and they do have a very wide audience to cater for and I guess they wanted to keep the storyline... science fiction-y. If he simply witched to another team, or retired, then it would probably be a lot more low key, and not a major ep, as they're probably hoping it will be. (A major ep)
Originally posted by Anni
I had not seen you post on this thread Kelsi, and if we do disagree then it's a healthy disagreement and one which I both expect and welcome from you!
Ah, I lurk a lot nowadays....but thank you!
Originally posted by Anni
As for the Last Stand aspect, I have no idea whose last stand it is.... but I have a horrible suspicion that it might be the seven System Lords' last stand.
You really think? But there must still be millions of SL out there to fight, so surely it would be like, the end of the (wonderful) SL?!:evil: :rolleyes: I mean there's still ...gotta be... some.... right?!:eek: :eek: :( :eek:
 

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