1.8 : Breaking The Ice.
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In a word: Yes!
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and, ya know what? if they are and they focus on it too much - i give up and i'll stop watching -- forced shippy stuff irritates the heck out of me ---
my opinion? don't force it - just write and if it turns out that way, fine, but don't then make the relationship the central focus of the show or the show will die -- believe me! i've seen it happen far more times than i can count ----
argh - just write ST plots and don't worry about the 'soap opera' stuff - if it's there it'll come out in the subtle background stuff -- argh!!
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my opinion? don't force it - just write and if it turns out that way, fine, but don't then make the relationship the central focus of the show or the show will die -- believe me! i've seen it happen far more times than i can count ----
argh - just write ST plots and don't worry about the 'soap opera' stuff - if it's there it'll come out in the subtle background stuff -- argh!!
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that was what i was thinking - but wasn't sure ---
and, of course, they may not have it really structuralized yet either -
oh - and i figured out why T'Pol looked so familiar to me (i know i didn't mention it, but it was in the back of my head bugging me!) - she was on an episode of JAG - she was an elisted Marine and she wanted to be an officer, but she wouldn't take a photo of the tattoo on her rearend, so her CO wouldn't send her papers - and she was fighting it, but in the end, she took a photo and her CO tore it up and didn't look at it - he was trying to prove a point to her - that he wasn't gonna give her special treatment b/c she was a female - which she, finally, understood --
she looked a LOT different - her hair was almost a strawberry blond - and she wore a marine uniform - kinda weird ----
okay - i'm done --
and, of course, they may not have it really structuralized yet either -
oh - and i figured out why T'Pol looked so familiar to me (i know i didn't mention it, but it was in the back of my head bugging me!) - she was on an episode of JAG - she was an elisted Marine and she wanted to be an officer, but she wouldn't take a photo of the tattoo on her rearend, so her CO wouldn't send her papers - and she was fighting it, but in the end, she took a photo and her CO tore it up and didn't look at it - he was trying to prove a point to her - that he wasn't gonna give her special treatment b/c she was a female - which she, finally, understood --
she looked a LOT different - her hair was almost a strawberry blond - and she wore a marine uniform - kinda weird ----
okay - i'm done --
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This was a very good character episode---
I learned a lot about T'Pol--
she's growing on me some. She's done a very brave thing,
I believe, in calling off the betrothal. I don't believe Vulcans
go too much for that "indivuality" thing--even in Spock's time if I remember.
They are very duty and tradition bound--just the way their society has worked out it's violent heritage. And I'm not so sure about women's rights on Vulcan--at least at this time. I think
there was something about if a bride makes a challenge during
the wedding cerimony and the chosen "champion" loses;
she then becomes the "property" of her husband (?)
That can't be good! And what happens if she calls it off totally?
As far as the Vulcan captain--well, I thought he was a jerk.
Rude. You don't go around speaking a language no one else understands, especially if you are a guest of the people who
don't understand--they need a lesson in etiquette if you ask me.
And why--*why* follow us around? I'm glad Archer didn't accept their help at first-I would've done the same thing. But T'Pol was right too---you can be too proud and stubborn sometimes.
( Just a little human ranting here, forgive me) :smile:
Trip is getting better, too. Being from the American south myself,
I found his accent a little anoying at first; but less so as time goes on. A really sweet, intuitive guy, that one! I love pecan
pie, too; lol. Nice touch at the end.
Over all I give it a 4 out of a possible 5.
Stormwarch
I learned a lot about T'Pol--
she's growing on me some. She's done a very brave thing,
I believe, in calling off the betrothal. I don't believe Vulcans
go too much for that "indivuality" thing--even in Spock's time if I remember.
They are very duty and tradition bound--just the way their society has worked out it's violent heritage. And I'm not so sure about women's rights on Vulcan--at least at this time. I think
there was something about if a bride makes a challenge during
the wedding cerimony and the chosen "champion" loses;
she then becomes the "property" of her husband (?)
That can't be good! And what happens if she calls it off totally?
As far as the Vulcan captain--well, I thought he was a jerk.
Rude. You don't go around speaking a language no one else understands, especially if you are a guest of the people who
don't understand--they need a lesson in etiquette if you ask me.
And why--*why* follow us around? I'm glad Archer didn't accept their help at first-I would've done the same thing. But T'Pol was right too---you can be too proud and stubborn sometimes.
( Just a little human ranting here, forgive me) :smile:
Trip is getting better, too. Being from the American south myself,
I found his accent a little anoying at first; but less so as time goes on. A really sweet, intuitive guy, that one! I love pecan
pie, too; lol. Nice touch at the end.
Over all I give it a 4 out of a possible 5.
Stormwarch
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i completely agree, Neo --
it annoys me that writers/producers etc assume that they HAVE to include a romance between major characters just b/c the fans demand it -- it's completely unnecessary most of the time and totally out of place in Trek - they tried it w/ Riker and Troi - (though they did establish a pre-existing relationship w/ them so it worked a little better) - and Worf and Dax (this was one of my least fave storylines of DS9) -- the 'romance' thing is just terribly annoying and detracts from the true 'nature' of the show - just stick to Trek action and such, PLEASE!
i could rant about this forever - but, i'll stop now -- and i'll keep enjoying Trek and all my other fandoms and such ---
it annoys me that writers/producers etc assume that they HAVE to include a romance between major characters just b/c the fans demand it -- it's completely unnecessary most of the time and totally out of place in Trek - they tried it w/ Riker and Troi - (though they did establish a pre-existing relationship w/ them so it worked a little better) - and Worf and Dax (this was one of my least fave storylines of DS9) -- the 'romance' thing is just terribly annoying and detracts from the true 'nature' of the show - just stick to Trek action and such, PLEASE!
i could rant about this forever - but, i'll stop now -- and i'll keep enjoying Trek and all my other fandoms and such ---
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I don't think we have to worry--
T'Pol is a Vulcan--female, yes, but still a Vulcan.
They didn't do it with Spock and he was part human.
I think a friendship would be nice and good for her though.
Remember too; she thinks we all smell.
I agree with you all though; keep it true to the point of the series, exploration. (Of the space kind)!
I liked the Worf / Dax relationship though--but I kind of had a crush on Worf myself! Tucker is very cute, but he reminds me of
my nephew a little. He needs a cute *human* female.
However, how do they handle -- ummm, Pon Farr?? Oooops,
I don't think I'll think about that now; I'll just be surprised.
I'm sure it'll be handled "logically".
SW
T'Pol is a Vulcan--female, yes, but still a Vulcan.
They didn't do it with Spock and he was part human.
I think a friendship would be nice and good for her though.
Remember too; she thinks we all smell.
I agree with you all though; keep it true to the point of the series, exploration. (Of the space kind)!
I liked the Worf / Dax relationship though--but I kind of had a crush on Worf myself! Tucker is very cute, but he reminds me of
my nephew a little. He needs a cute *human* female.
However, how do they handle -- ummm, Pon Farr?? Oooops,
I don't think I'll think about that now; I'll just be surprised.
I'm sure it'll be handled "logically".
SW
It worked though, didn't it?
Neo
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SAD...........
anyway back to Breaking the Ice...
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I saw this today... not that impressed..... Archer sending messages back to school kids about his voayges... ow please...
Loved the building of a snowman bit... LOL ...
We are getting close to the realationship thing... with trip.. i can just feel it...
anyway back to Breaking the Ice...
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I saw this today... not that impressed..... Archer sending messages back to school kids about his voayges... ow please...
Loved the building of a snowman bit... LOL ...
We are getting close to the realationship thing... with trip.. i can just feel it...
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please please please - no shipping -- argh - no -- not Trip and T'Pol --- i don't think i could bear it!
please stick to exploring space and such ---- no 'on-ship' relationships ------
this is supposed to be sci-fi, right? not soap opera --
okay -- back to the episode ----
anyone? i don't remember much of what happened --- sorry
please stick to exploring space and such ---- no 'on-ship' relationships ------
this is supposed to be sci-fi, right? not soap opera --
okay -- back to the episode ----
anyone? i don't remember much of what happened --- sorry
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Trip learns that T'Pol is transmitting secret messages to a Vulcan ship, which has been shadowing Enterprise for weeks.
And Archer must attempt a dangerous rescue to recover two crewman stranded on a rapidly disintegrating comet... Loved the bit weret hey made a snowman... LOL
And Archer must attempt a dangerous rescue to recover two crewman stranded on a rapidly disintegrating comet... Loved the bit weret hey made a snowman... LOL
Another good episode, but my observations will have to be shorter this week as I'm busy.
The snowman bit wasn't as silly as I expected, and I liked Archer's quote: "Who's the sculpter?".
The schoolchildren part -- not very funny, not as well done as Captain's Day in TNG, seemed to just be a filler in this episode.
The Vulcan captain, Vanich (sp?), not good on names tonight, I've no idea why he would come to dinner and not eat either, especially as he wasn't interested in humans. Maybe it was just so he could say that to T'Pol, whatever it was?
So, T'Pol is betrothed to an architect, Kos (sp?), and as Vulcan tradition dictates that newlyweds cohabitate for at least one Vulcan year, and it is not logical to have an architect aboard an exploration vessel, she must choose whether to stay. Also her fiancé's family is pressuring her to fulfill her obligation and name a date for the wedding. A wedding she already postponed in order to prolong the assignment to the Enterprise.
Well what about Pon Farr? Someone said how are they going to cover it? Voyager showed that it could be resisted with new drugs and holodeck technology, but that is in the future, in this time period isn't it a case of Vulcan males mating or dying? T'Pol doesn't seem to worry about his health and wellbeing, only her obligation to Vulcan tradition. Maybe marriage ceremonies usually take place before Pon Farr, and Spock and Tuvok just waited until the very last minute, if so then we will be hearing from this fiancé again, and he will probably won't take no for an answer when he does.
Regardless what it was made of, a comet only 82.6 km in diameter would have less than one percent of Earth's gravity. So even walking around on the comet would be impossible.
Excuse me, but didn't a shuttle fall down a hole last week as well? Is this a new Star Trek cliché they're inventing? Instead of destroying shuttles, we're going to have them disappear into caverns each week!
The snowman bit wasn't as silly as I expected, and I liked Archer's quote: "Who's the sculpter?".
The schoolchildren part -- not very funny, not as well done as Captain's Day in TNG, seemed to just be a filler in this episode.
The Vulcan captain, Vanich (sp?), not good on names tonight, I've no idea why he would come to dinner and not eat either, especially as he wasn't interested in humans. Maybe it was just so he could say that to T'Pol, whatever it was?
So, T'Pol is betrothed to an architect, Kos (sp?), and as Vulcan tradition dictates that newlyweds cohabitate for at least one Vulcan year, and it is not logical to have an architect aboard an exploration vessel, she must choose whether to stay. Also her fiancé's family is pressuring her to fulfill her obligation and name a date for the wedding. A wedding she already postponed in order to prolong the assignment to the Enterprise.
Well what about Pon Farr? Someone said how are they going to cover it? Voyager showed that it could be resisted with new drugs and holodeck technology, but that is in the future, in this time period isn't it a case of Vulcan males mating or dying? T'Pol doesn't seem to worry about his health and wellbeing, only her obligation to Vulcan tradition. Maybe marriage ceremonies usually take place before Pon Farr, and Spock and Tuvok just waited until the very last minute, if so then we will be hearing from this fiancé again, and he will probably won't take no for an answer when he does.
Regardless what it was made of, a comet only 82.6 km in diameter would have less than one percent of Earth's gravity. So even walking around on the comet would be impossible.
Excuse me, but didn't a shuttle fall down a hole last week as well? Is this a new Star Trek cliché they're inventing? Instead of destroying shuttles, we're going to have them disappear into caverns each week!
Good episode, liked this one quite a lot. T'Pol actually wants to stay around humans.. but why? Curosity, is that allowed? I don't think it is because she wants to watch humans fail, so what is it?
Anyone notice how Artcher got that ensign or whatever he is pilot to budge the moment they needed the grapling hook done properly... can't imagine the last 3 captains doing that, we would have a lesson about how getting the juniors to trust in themselves blah blah blah.. this was more realistic.
Had to be about the most unrealistic comet ever... it was as if it was a nice peaceful day when they landed... as if...
Amazing how Koshi could decrypt vulcan encryption in a couple of hours, you would think they *might* be worried about that.
That captain seemed to be there just to annoy/test Archer. I imagine that was the plan as well as sending the message ... I don't think that is the last we will see of him.
Anyone notice how Artcher got that ensign or whatever he is pilot to budge the moment they needed the grapling hook done properly... can't imagine the last 3 captains doing that, we would have a lesson about how getting the juniors to trust in themselves blah blah blah.. this was more realistic.
Had to be about the most unrealistic comet ever... it was as if it was a nice peaceful day when they landed... as if...
Amazing how Koshi could decrypt vulcan encryption in a couple of hours, you would think they *might* be worried about that.
That captain seemed to be there just to annoy/test Archer. I imagine that was the plan as well as sending the message ... I don't think that is the last we will see of him.
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Glad u enjoyed this episode as i felt it was one of the best so far... The captain sending a message to the children... arrhhh bless...
He seemed really uncomfortable about it just like Picard did...
As for teh snowman... Ijust thought really nice bit to put in
He seemed really uncomfortable about it just like Picard did...
As for teh snowman... Ijust thought really nice bit to put in
