5.13: Proving Ground

Characters

Anni- You're killing me again! <g>

I didn't start watching Sg1 for a certain character; I started watching because I liked the movie and all the pseudo-Egyptian stuff. I had to forget about James Spader before I accepted MS in the role.

That DJ ended up being my favorite character? Unexpected but also not hard to *see* (with Jack a close second, btw).

As for the show, I am not saying it's bad; it's good entertainment. It's still very, very well produced, acted, directed, SFX (I'll never forget "The Light" FX), etc., but having been there from the beginning as a loyal viewer, I can, in my experience, say it is a different show than it was then, and the departure of the Shanks will change it further.

It is inevitable and unavoidable. Geez, I'm becoming a living cliche myself now.

-Orange
 
I loved this episode. It was nice to see the return of Lt. Hailey. I thought it a bit of an oversight by the team that none of them thought their movements would be monitored on CCTV, but apart from that it was great.

I loved the moment where Jack hangs up on Daniel.

I also love that the daily showings of SG-1 at 6pm will overtake the DVD releases and I will finally be able to watch the later Season 4 episodes again next week !

:coolorang
 
I wouldn't mind going back to the earlier eppies either, your lucky! I don't get anything like that here, it's just the net and weekly viewings.
 
i'm stuck in that hole to nic. but you know that.

so ppl. what are jack and sam talking about in the comissary ( i only got piccies)
 
I'm afraid to tell you that they are only talking shop -- if the cadets should make the grade or not -- Sam things that Jack is being too hard on them -- the simulation has a few faults -- they disagree about it -- all very professional -- don't you realise yet that it's never going to happen?
 
Sorry Dave I hate 2 disappoint u but it wasn't wot they said that was shippy, it was the way they said it. It's a handy little skill called 'reading between the lines.' ;)

Hey Jaxie if ya want ship and humour I got it right here:

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Near the beginning of the ep Sam is sat in the commisary eating blue jelly when Jack walks in. He comes to sit down nxt 2 her and she asks him wot he thinks of the cadets to which he replies:

'Lt. Elliot thinks 2 much which makes him indecisive.'
"What about Lt. (_____)? He'll make a very fine officer one day."
'Lt. (sumthing - not sure of the name!) will make a very fine TARGET - he's always getting himself shot!'
(She giggles with a mouth full of jelly)
" Ok so wot about Lt. (sumthing - the girl)/"
'I give her high marks for her........... high marks. I wouldn't like 2 b in a combat sitch with her.'
"ok, Wot about Lt. Haley?"
'Ah, yes the 4'9" fightin' machine!'
(She giggles again)
" Come on, Sir. Think about when u were in their shoes."
'I wore boots.'
"Ok so think back 2 when u were there age."
'Carter, I was never their age.'
( after this comment she gets up from the table taking one last spoonful of jelly, mumbling 'goodnight Sir' and giggling 2 herself to which he innocently (and rather cutely replies) 'Wot????')

there's more if u want them. just let me no. If u couldn't guess this is my fave ep of season 5 so far!
 
*drool coming outta her mouth* thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

yeah, that made me happy. wot non shippers miss is the fact that there's hardly any s/j scenes anymore. goddamn those ppl.

any more if you gotta - plz bring it forward. i get a kick off this stuff
 
U r welcome Jaxie! :) I'm a shipper 2 in case u hadn't realised (duh!). A lot of the stuff in the ep is looks and gestures but there r sum nice scenes with dialogue 2. Here's sum more:

SPOILER GAP







( They r in the middle of a 'test' that they don't no is a test - they think it's real (the cadets). Sam has 2 cover foran error that Jack makes in his excuse 4 freeing an airman.)
J: I was just interrogating the prisoner. (having taken the guy's handcuffs off)
Lt. Elliot: No, u weren't!
(Sam looks slightly concerned at Jack then says -)
S: U can't trust him, Colonel O'Neill has been compromised!
(Jack goes 2 make an objection 2 say that it could b Carter who is a goauld-thing when Lt. Elliot stuns him with one of those intars. Sam looks v. concerned.)
Lt. Elliot: We have 2 secure the gate.
S: I have 2 stay here 2 find a cure for the nanobots. U go and secure the gate.
(the door shuts and they leave. Pause. She turns around, looks at Jack and mutters 'Whoops!' Daniel-style!)

Cut to Lt. Elliot.

(Back 2 Sam & Jack.)
J: (lying on the floor in slight pain) Colonel O'Neill has been compromised!?!?!?!
S: Sorry Sir, they didn't go down corridor C-19 like u told them 2 so I had 2 improvise Sir! And u did tell them to set their intars 2 max. stun Sir. ( Helps him up sort of warily touching him on the arm and face.)

Also we have a possible Sam/Jack sitch with the cadets!!!!!
Lt. Elliot seems 2 'care more than he's supposed 2' for Lt. Haley. When they tell him that she's overridden the gate controls, opened it to a radioactive planet and the gateroom is filled with v. dangerous levels of radiation and is therefore dead, he goes 2 evacuate the level when he turns back when noone notices to save her. He even disobeys a direct order from Hammond and he faces 'certain death' when he enters the gateroom. Just as he goes into the gateroom he looks at the security camera and gives them all this 'look' which Jack understands 2 well and he gives him this 'look' back as if 2 say " Ur 2IC is in danger - I no wot u feel like" which is sooooooo sweet! Neway, he goes into the gateroom, shuts down the gate and scoops Haley up in his arms. As he goes 2 run out, the blast doors lift up and the whole of the SGC r standing there applauding him. With Haley still in his arms, he just looks at them and yells ' U gotta b kidding!?!?!?!?!?' - It was another test. she then 'wakes up' and looks him in the eye saying ' u can put me down now hero!' Hammond walks into the gateroom and congratulates him on having the courage 2 go 'above and beyond the call of duty' for his team member(s) and says they r the kind of people they need in the SGC. By then he's beaming and he turns 2 Haley and says " U KNEW about this!?!?" to which she replies "Of course! How could I have shown u nanobots that didn't exist?" and he says 2 her in a teasing way "Oh I'm SO gonna get u 4 this!"

It's sooooo sweet and O'Neill sorta has this look in his eye all the way thru this scene.

Awwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There's a bit more but u will have 2 wait 2 c the ep!:evil:
 
Originally posted by lene morissette


Also we have a possible Sam/Jack sitch with the cadets!!!!!
Lt. Elliot seems 2 'care more than he's supposed 2' for Lt. Haley.

mmmmm Im not too sure on that one.....

If you think back...when Jack and Sam are eating jelly together she said to him that she thinks that Lt Elliott looks up to him (Jack) more then he realises.
And when the cadets were doing their training the next day Jack tells Lt Elliott that he won't tolerate leaving team members behind (this was after Elliott realises that he had left a team member behind in training)

So (getting to the point) I think that Elliott went back to save Hailey because of what Jack had said before...not because that he cares too much about her :D
 
bloody party pooper

thanx again lene "me love u long time"
 
Originally posted by Jaxie
bloody party pooper


No not at all.....

I was not going to say anything and I knew that I would rattle some cages in doing so...but does there have to be romance in everything?
I can see some of the looks ect between Sam and Jack (although not all of them as you guys do) but with Elliott and Hailey!!! I really am not sure on that one..

But at the end of the day its just my view!

:D :cool:
 
Okay, I was looking forward to this ep. I was all psyched up for another cool foothold situation thing. But I was incredibly disapointed.

The ep started out okay, nice action sequences and I really enjoyed seeing Jack being a real Colonel and ordering people around. That was pretty cool, however, I think this episode got progressivly worse as it went on.

For one thing I found the idea that the cadets already knew so much about the SGC totally unbelieveable. If they're just training and not sure if they're going to be selected, isn't it a bit of a security risk having them know everything about every mission and all the important Stargate stuff? Also, that other girl apparently knew how to speak Goa'uld which I thought was jsut so farfetched.

Also, i find it rediculous that they would basically close down the SGC just so they can do some training there. Let's face it it's a high security fascility. And another thing, Sam's "boss" at the Acadamey was there with Hammond, why all of a sudden does he know about the Stargate? He knew nothing of it in Prodigy when he spoke with Sam.

And last of all, hardly any Teal'c and Danny, coupled with second rate humour that wasn't of our normal standards. The Sam/Jack sequences were okay it showed a more relaxed working relationship between the two, but nothing to get excited about. And I'm rather dissapointed by the character of Elliot. This is Lantash's new host? Poor Lantash! :eek:

There I've had my bitch now :)
 
I really enjoyed this episode, it was great to see an episode through another teams perspective but at the same time, have SG-1 involved.

I loved the scene in General Hammonds office where Daniel was sitting in hammonds chair talking to Teal'c and Jack rings him up and the looks on everones faces (especially jack's) was priceless :lol: :lol:

I have watched the asf of this episode probably 8 times, and i may go and watch it again now :D :D

-JAD
 
have to say I quite enjoyed this one, anthough I agree with ShelbyS that these cadets knew a bit too much about SGC personell and operations, liek they knew that Sam has "alien markers" in her DNA from being blended... is this stuff avail on the air force web site or what?? ;)

But overall a good episode, nice too see how they go about getting the new blood in, but what happens to the other 3 cadets, they are put on regular assignments til a place is ready for them? Security risk??
 
ne 1 have a copy of proving ground

hi this might sound like really cheeky ..since this is the first time ive ever posted here . btu i missed this episode...would be ever so gratefull if n e 1 could help me wid a vhs copy :) would pay compensation :) .... or does sky 1 show a rpt of stg some other day?? pleeeeeeaaaaseee help.....
 
Who cares if Lt.Elliot was 'dull' he was a hero and he was cute 2!
Don't get me wrong, I think that the characters on stargate r wot make the show and that's the whole point people btw, the character's feelings and emotions and lives (or lack thereof!) Stargate SG-1 is cool altho I agree that this season has been a little slow but hey, every show has it's high points and low points!
 
It had some good lines and good moments, like daniel's 'you did tell them to capture me and not shoot me again right?' or the look on sam's face when elliott shot jack but...i too don't but them getting basicaly free run of the sgc destroying doors and the like for a training exercise? is this just to give siler more to do?

it was nice to see jack in colonel mode...and sam a bit too although the 'i'm possessed by a goa'uld' made me think twice. guess she's over all that jolinar stuff huh?

it wasn't bad and i'm certainly gonna watch it when i can see it on a screen bigger than 2 inches across <G> but...not up on my wowsa! list.

i do have a funny feeling though that this might be more of a set up for later stuff. like elliott and the mention of hammy's that they're trying to lessen casualties by actually training these kids for other worldly combat
 
In all honesty Skydiver..... there is no way that they would use a 'frontline' base, which really SGC is, as a training ground for cadets. Let alone block up the normal working of the unit, especially a unit which is supposedly the first line of defence against an enemy.

However, they probably would do their own exercise for something like a foothold situation, so that everyone knows what they're supposed to do and where they're supposed to be. They might well incoporate something like that into a training exercise for newbies to the unit. But having worked in military logistics and planned such training exercises myself, I know that it would very much diminish the effectiveness of such a unit to do it just for a few recruits. It's likely that they would just put them through their paces in a simulated atmosphere as they did at the beginning and then when they were allotted their spots in an SG team, they would then receive something like foothold training in the same way as the regular SG members.

Then again, I also would have questioned them introducing new recruits straight out of the academy into something like this at all. It just doesn't make sense. Frontline special forces troops do have to be recruited, but it's usually done from the longer serving, more experienced military, not raw cadets or green recruits. And they have to go through a VERY rigorous training. I served with the SAS in what used to be their training facility at Hereford twice and I saw what these guys went through to join and what those cadets in the episode did was chickenfeed compared to it. I am pretty sure that the US special forces also have the same rigorous training, but whether they recruit straight from the general public who volunteer at arecruiting office or whether they do it from already trained troops I don't know.

I do know that the British Special Forces are acknowledged as one of the finest, if not the finest in the world. At the height of the cold war, only the Spetznaz (Russian Special Forces) were better. Therefore recruiting only from already trained and experienced soldiers does work better than trying to train kids who are just off the streets or still at an officer's academy.

As an afterthought, I really don't think that the point of the Stargate show is the characters at all. The characters are absolutely necessary of course, but the CONCEPT of the Stargate, the origins of the human species on earth and how they might be linked into other worlds and ancient civilisations and where an horrific enemy might have played a part in all this is the POINT.

The characters are supposed to drive the concept NOT the other way around. This wasn't intended to be a space soap opera, where the lives and loves of the characters take priority over anything else.

I think again that there are two kinds of Stargate fans..... the one's who loved the concept and who wanted that to be the theme throughout, with characters capable of driving that but not overwhelming it (the way that Jack, Sam, Daniel and Teal'c have) and the more vociferous, character loving fans, who watch it for the characters and everything else is background for them. This kind of fan is the sort that is obsessed about anything and everything to do with the characters and ultimately the actors and for them the show is just a vehicle for the actors and very little else.

If you have the latter, then you will have shows in which people will just watch for whatever SG1 does and they will grumble at but forgive any lack of continuity in storyline because they have got another glimpse of their heroes. I think that a lot of this was borne out when MS announced his departure (interestingly enough for the very reasons that I have always stated the show had regressed!). Many of the MS/Daniel fans are less than interested in watching it and the proof of the pudding will be in Season Six when we see just how many of those fans fall by the wayside when they discontinue their interest because their favourite character has gone.

The proof of a really sound, good show with a solid conceptual base is that it can stand whether a character leaves or not.

We shall see...... The jury is currently out.....

For the rest of us, this show has become an exercise in regret for what it started out as and what we wish it had managed to retain. And with a little bit of effort and perhaps people like Mallozzi and Co. NOT listening to the fans all the time, it might have managed it.

:cool:
 
Originally posted by Anni
Then again, I also would have questioned them introducing new recruits straight out of the academy into something like this at all. It just doesn't make sense. Frontline special forces troops do have to be recruited, but it's usually done from the longer serving, more experienced military, not raw cadets or green recruits. And they have to go through a VERY rigorous training
I so totally agree with you here. It would seem logical that a place on an SG team would be for those who are very experienced and the best in their fields, not for people straight out of the academy. They should have a few years under their belt before they put them into something as important and dangerous as the Stargate program. They are too prone to making mistakes at this stage.

Also, just something that was mentioned in Shades of Grey. Clare Tobias tells Jack that Carter beat her out of a position in the SGC. It seems at that stage you needed to be highly qualified. If Tobias couldn't meet the criteria for an SG team then why are they throwing in all these cadets.

I think this episode is an okay idea in concept but it should have been thought out ALOT more. They have just made so many mistakes and I think this took away my enjoyment of the episode.
 
Originally posted by Anni
<snip>I really don't think that the point of the Stargate show is the characters at all. The characters are absolutely necessary of course, but the CONCEPT of the Stargate, the origins of the human species on earth and how they might be linked into other worlds and ancient civilisations and where an horrific enemy might have played a part in all this is the POINT.
<snip>
I think again that there are two kinds of Stargate fans..... the one's who loved the concept and who wanted that to be the theme throughout, with characters capable of driving that but not overwhelming it (the way that Jack, Sam, Daniel and Teal'c have) and the more vociferous, character loving fans, who watch it for the characters and everything else is background for them. This kind of fan is the sort that is obsessed about anything and everything to do with the characters and ultimately the actors and for them the show is just a vehicle for the actors and very little else.<snip>

Anni you've said this before, and up to a point I can agree with you, but I simply don't think that it would be a very interesting show without these characters. 'An encyclopeadic history of the galaxy according to the Stargate.'

Isn't the point the way in which the characters slowly discover this history unfolding, not just the history itself, and these are very GOOD characters. I don't consider myself to be in either of those two camps you described. If it fails it will be because the new character(s) is/are not as good!

Also, the show is called 'Stargate SG-1' not 'Stargate' and has always been concerned with these four characters from the very outset.
 

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