5.15: Last Stand

is lantash really dead? yes i know teh plans but...we didn't see him die.

the feasting in the young does sorta make sense...the goauld are weakened by infighting...if you decimate any up and comers you cement your power base. and it couldwork to maintain the illusion that they are gods if there are less adn less of them around looking for hosts.

the slave, whoever he was, the one that wanted to be infested..he looked upon it as an honor...now if there are tons of symbiotes then it's not much of an honor is it?

not bad, would haev liked a litle more whumping and they left a LOT of things dangling and questins unanswered
 
I can see all of the arguments and justifications for the scriptwriters and their ideas absolutely pouring out of the woodwork. However, there are easier ways of killing off the spare symbiotes than actually snacking on them. Unless of course the act had a symbolic importance to the Goa'uld as a species.

After all, even Goa'uld stomachs have to get full sometimes. You can almost see Baal shaking his head, hand on belly and hear him say.... "Oh no.....absolutely NOT. I couldn't eat another morsel! But you go ahead and snack your heart out.... So many symbiotes to devour......so little time!"

Personally I think everyone can justify it until their eyeballs drop out, but I still see it as a desperate measure to gross out the fans to such an extent that they'll accept anything that's put on screen.

The Goa'uld have been attributed with every single negative and abysmal cruelty that the human......and I stress HUMAN...mind can think up. So why not cannibalism? Except that there are certain human societies that believed that eating the dead gave them the strong and positive attributes of that person...I think there are a couple of tribes in Papua New Guinea who still practice that. And before everyone starts in on the 'Ah yes well.....they're savages and don't know any better than us superior Western modern humans' routine, cannibalism has been practised on and off by most societies. All we have done is cover up our own primitiveness with a thin veneer of civilisation and sophistication. Scrape under the surface and the primal creature is alive and well and living in New York, London, Paris, Rome etc....

I still think that Mallozzi, Mullie (finally remembered the cretin's name!) and co are scraping the bottom of the barrel. They want to make the Goa'uld horrific but if cannibalism is the very best they can do, they needn't bother to my mind.

I think that Last Stand left more questions than it did answer anything at all. There was very little view of the inner workings of the Goa'uld apart from the fact that when the chips are down they eat their own offspring. I have often wished that my sons would grow up and live their own lives, but have never considered eating them..... I was disappointed because the Goa'uld still seem like flat one-dimensional characters, no depth..... creatures that now just hang around in motherships and space stations......eating...... mmmmmmmmmmm...... CRUNCHY.............mmmmmmmmmmmmm....... (shades of Homer Simpson here).

But having said that, everyone will no doubt think the exact opposite to me..... SNAFU!!!!!

:evil: :cool: ;)
 
I do agree with you Anni about this episode. I was hoping that Daniel would do the deed and kill the Goa'uld. Didn't enjoy the part where they tucked into the larvae. Eurgh!!!!!!


annette :D
 
well again I haven't seen the ep yst but why didn't Danny boy kill 'em? in season 1 ...Family lines? the one with Teal'c kid, didn't Danny go & kill the whole tank full of baby sybs? So why not now? or is he not as concerned now that his wife is dead & no hope of her return?
 
daniel didn't kill the system lords because he found out that anubis was around. and anubis is already kicking goauld tush with them in power, if they were all wiped out the only 'check' on anubis' power would be gone.

remember back in serpents venom when jake said pops killing heru'ur was the worst thing? its the same way here. right anubis is having to fight for everything he gets. but if danny poisoned the system lords he'd basically be handing the keys to the univers over to anubis. a dozen feudal lords infighting is easier to manage than 1 big bad guy.

i do agree with why the goauld are killing their young, but not necesarily how. seriously all they had to do was zat the critters not have some goauld sushi.

oddly enough though, it seems to be a step to evening the odds for the tokra. the 'good guys' have been having zero to negative population growth for years, now the goauld are having the same thing,

it brings up something we've talked about time to time on various lists....remember hathor? how many babies did she have? looked like a hundred or so swimming around. now we know that it takes roughly 7-10 years for a symbiote to mature...we dont' know how many litters a queen can have at a time but it has always seemed odd that if a queen can have easily 100 babies at a time and there apparently is no shortage of jaffa to carry them(or humans to be turned into jaffa) then why isn't the universe totally over run with goauld?

are there only a few queens or can they only have one litter a century or what? i know mortality has to be high among the jaffa bit still it seems that there should be more of them around
 
when I first watched Hathor in S1 I got the impression that she was the only one or one of only a very few who could have them little babies. She kept saying she was were ALL goolds come from.
 
she would have to be one of the few but she can't have been the only one. remember back in bloodlines, the baby snakes, almost too young for implantation...where'd they come from?

it would seem that every system lord (male anyway) would have to have a queen to keep making larvae to keep sticking in jaffa every 7 years or so. and when you look at teh size of a goauld's army (like now many were swarming over cimmeria in thor's chariot) there can't be a lot of queens but there have to be several simply to maintian the number of jaffa
 
The ritual of eating the young goa'ulds struck me as more of a type that happens when a male takes over a group and kills the newborns and infants of the previous male (lions, certain monkeys, and gorillas for example) not cannabalism (endo or exo) which is to imbibe the eater with the strengths of the eaten. So I agree with Anni... it was to gross us out! We didn't learn anythng about the workings of the System Lords... except they snack.... come on Mallozi and Mullie where is the fun in that!

ZPG for the Goa'uld's from snacking..... They must meet (meat???)daily. The System Lords have Jaffa as guards and incubators.... so someone needs queens and has them in small numbers if they reproduce about 100 at a time.... We just didn't learn about the System Lords... we learned Mallozi and Mullie opinion of them.
So, when are we going to step throught the gate an meet interesting new peoples? I think the bottom of the barrel has been reached (if not throughly scraped in Season 4 and 5), when will they ask Skydiver for her ideas... which are creative!

At least they didn't kill off Jacob/Selmak which I was expecting them to do so we don't get to slap the writers and producers for that fiasco...just others.
 
Amen to that!!!!!

You said it better in one paragraph than I did in a whole rant!

Yeah....... let's push for Sky to be the creative producer/writer on what's left of the show. I reckon she could do a way better job than is being done at present! Her writings are so much better than the crud being pushed out at present!! Hell..... most of us could do better for that matter!

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Thanks, Anni!

Can you tell I am angry with the writers and producers? The holes they have left and the way the story is finished in Last Stand really has gotten to me... to say nothing about having to watch the show in downloads because Showtime is doing an excellent interpretation of the "40 Acres and a Mule" promise for showing Season 5. (The government was to give freed slaves, after the Civil War, 40 acres of land and a mule to plow it with....Most are still waiting... that is why Spike Lee named his production company " 40 Acres and a Mule ")

Perhaps Skydiver should do scripts as well as ideas and continuity! (Let us slap M and M around... maybe we would knock some sense into their wooden pinheads!)
 
I was expecting one of the Goa'ulds to eat his symbiote with fava beans and a fine chianti.

Last Stand wasn't nearly as good as Summit. The continuity people should be flogged. Oh well, at least Teal'c got a speaking role in this episode. I knew Lt. Redshirt* was going to buy the farm when he professed his love for Sam. The Carter Curse strikes again.

Still, it was better than D&C and Entity.

*A 'redshirt' is a disposable character, named after the anonymous redshirted characters on Star Trek TOS who were always getting killed off.
 
Yes, Jobeth, Thanks!
It is interesting considering that Teal'c and Daniel are the 'experts' on the Goa'uld that they finally let Teal'c speak!
Don't get me going on the Teal'c as Good Black Servant thing, girl!

He was soooo very loquacious in "48 Hours" and "Proving Ground."...perhaps his eyebrow is tired?
 
Question: Why doesn't Sam carry around her Goa'uld healing device with her when they go on mission?

The thing could come in handy and we know that she knows how to use it. So why doesn't she take it with her. It may have saved Elliot (Do the Tok'Ra allow themselves to use the Healing Device? They don't use the sarcophagus, so is it any differetn? I ask this cos Lantash might have objected if Sam tried to heal them.).
 
good question! why doesn't she carry one? along the same vein...when they had a sarc in their hands in need...why didn't they grab the thing?
yes i know it has addictive properties but...it seems to only be addictive if you're healthy when you go into it...if you're dying it doesn't appear to addict you.

i think teh answer to the healing device quiestion is the same to teh sarc one...having a miracle cure handy sure takes teh suspense outta life and death circumstances.
 
Good answer. True.

I also think that's the same kinda thing in the Warrior last week.
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When they asked for Zat guns and the SGC didn't have any to spare. How many Serpent Guards have they shot over the years? They could get a whole collection going if they toook all the weapons of th people they killed. I guess it kinda ruins the fun if they always havve the answeres or in this case, ammo.
 
ya, & didn't they get all those zats from Seths place or did they leave them there for the police to find?
 
They must have thousands of Zats. Not to have collected up weapons, which could be later used against you again, in a future fight makes no sense.

So, here are my two best explanations: either they were lying, and they have them all in storage somewhere, and want to keep them for themselves; or the NID have taken them and dismantled them to discover how they work.
 
good point. Haven't watched Warrier yet, it's currently downloading onto my machine at work.
 
You people have given rise to what I want to ask. Why haven't the SGC teams been given zats as well as p-90's to carry off world? They (the SGC) must have lots of them by now! And I thought they wanted their people well armed and protected. So I would have given them both!
 
maybe incase they come in contact with replicators or machines like Thor's hammer that disable G technology.
 

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