Poll: Did MS have a good point?

[spookypumpkin]

Originally posted by peachy
i miss the exploring...peachy

same here

 

[jann]

MS leaving Stargate, my thoughts.

Have people been into 'STARGUIDE' recently and seen the article where MS expands on his reasons for leaving?
I think he talks a lot of sense, and if it is as he is supposed to have said: that he failed to persuade the bosses on the programme to keep the Daniel character viable in the context of all the NID and military stuff, then I understand completely his reasons for leaving. His role in Season Five has been either completely against character, or peripheral to the plot (second of course to poor old Teal'c who barely has a line anymore). I don't recognise the Daniel character at all, and I liked him (and miss him!). The series seems to have become mainly a vehicle for RDA. The growing role for AT (both great actors, I agree, but still lousy plots) doesn't fill the need to see the balance of views served by the old geeky Daniel. Alas, it seems too late to save what was a stimulating and enjoyable series.
If writers and producers are so hard up for ideas, why don't they visit some of the better fanfic forums where the scope is seemingly limitless and the quality is often excellent?
End of moan... it's just I have to put up with a partner who is a scientist and a sci-fi lover and who used to enjoy watching Stargate with me, and who now ridicules me for my obsession every week! I don't know how long I can hold out.

Regards,
jann.

 

[Texane]

Agreed with all of the above! No one (and I mean NO ONE) wants to see John De Lancie any more. We've had our fill of him. And if I wanted to watch a conspiracy show, the X-files is the place to be. I understand this might be one of the arcs used in the overall story, but it should not be the primary one. The fans did not stay aboard for this long to see the crap that's been fed to us for most of this season.

What's wrong with those people? :evil:

 

[Marty's Mine]

i agree with ya texane! however, John De Lancie does give the show a little edge. it would b nice to see him for a few more eps then he can go.

 

[Anni]

Gosh...... when did everyone start thinking like me?

I go away and get sick and look what happens when I do! Everyone wants it to go back to the stars! What happened to the "we love anything as long as it has RDA, AT, MS and CJ in it" cries, I ask myself?

For what my opinion is worth, I totally agree with MS and his reasons. I don't like the guy particularly and don't really rate him as an actor much, but I can't fault his reasoning on this at all. He obviously feels that he wouldn't be true to the character to carry on in the vein that the producers etc obviously think this show should go. I don't think he'd be doing himself any favours. And yes, he may bomb, like Denise Crosby did and end up on tacky, cheesy soaps..... but he has to take the chances like everyone else has to.

I like John de Lancie..... however, I for one think that he has outran his short lifespan in this particular show. The 'NID' angle is boring and even the idea of a Goa'uld loose on earth in the body of a wealthy businessman and in the clutches of dear ole Col Simmons doesn't exactly cause me any undue energy surges..... I expect that they will try to close up that storyline somehow though.

I agree that the show has become a vehicle for RDA primarily, but then I think it did that some time ago. They lost the real concept somewhere along the way, along with the demise of the Goa'uld as a real horrific enemy and now everyone is practically having 'organisms' (deliberate mispelling of a common word) over either the conspiracy crap or the replicators....

And by the way........ the Magog aren't scary.... they are just messy and as ugly as the make up department can make them. The original concept of the Goa'uld WAS scary..... a powerful, despotic, single-minded species who occupy human bodies without permission and who are completely amoral. That, to my mind was a much more scary idea, than a guy who looks exactly like his rubber mask melted in the heat. The fact that these creatures look like us.....but are something quite alien in fact would scare me a lot more than the futuristic monsters they push out on Andromeda. For god's sake, do these people think that we're all about five years old and looking for monsters in the closet and under the beds?

Up to now, apart from the Unas and the Nox with their bad hair day....Stargate has avoided that particular crock of crap.... please let them not begin to delve into the Magog scene now! That would completely turn me off watching.

 

[Texane]

Way to kick butt, Anni!

 

[cinnamonia]

I too voted for going back to stars, however, I have no problem with the direction the show's going right now. I too had a feeling I'm watching the X-Files, wish they gave the conspiracy thing a rest and they would go back to explore the universe.

However, I think the show is much, much better than it was during the 1st and the first half of the 2nd season. They were mainly about going to other places and meeting alien guys, little fighting here and there, quite predictable many times.

Personally I love season 5 even though the two latest eps aren't my favorite. Let's face it, the show has already had some weak eps. Somehow I feel the news of MS's leaving divided the fans. Everywhere I'm going all I can read about is 'the show is going to wrong direction'. Am I the only one who's having a deja vu? Last season, after Divide & Conquer and WoO lotsa fans complained because of the whole Sam & Jack relationship.
I'm too sorry for MS, although I didn't like his character that much I hate to see him go Won't be the same without him.

Anyway, I'm a little fed up with all this the-eps-are-so-weak stuff (no offence meant), there's a hard week behind me and I get annoyed easily...sorry, I think I don't make any sense here but I had to write this....jeez I'm rambling

.....have a cure for a dead brain? tell me, I really need it!

 

[Anni]

I'm sure that many of us have had a hard week behind us and can sympathise. There's nothing wrong with posting your opinion.

However, I should point out that those who believe the episodes are weak are just as entitled to their opinion as those who don't think that.

I don't think the episodes are weak so much as they are going in the direction of the earth based conspirary storyline, which is in direct opposition to the way that many of the fans (including you apparently) want it to go, which is back to the stars.

This has nothing to do with MS leaving, personally I can't stand the guy and I just cannot believe that I have allowed myself to be persuaded to go to SG4 in February by those who shall remain nameless.... (but post on this forum! ). But I do agree with MS that in the NID conspiracy story arc, there is very little place for an archaeologist/anthropologist whose area of expertise is ancient and mysterious civilisations.

I still believe that there is a certain faction of Stargate fandom out there that the Producers etc of the show are aware of and listening to. They listened to the people who wanted Sam & Jack angst and love angle, then realised that there was a huge lot of fans out there who weren't interested in the angle and thought it detracted from the show's premise, so they tried to compensate by making Season 5 without it. They haven't done that particularly well, since in my opinion, the fact that they started the Sam and Jack thing, they should at least have brought it to some sort of closure properly, instead of just pushing it to the back and pretending it didn't happen. It was very untidily done and must have known it would cause comment from the fans.

I am a bit curious by your comment that Season 1 and 2 was just about meeting little alien guys and a bit of fighting and going to other places and therefore a bit predictable!

Isn't that what you just voted for? Going back to the stars (and meeting little alien guys, going to other places and fighting?)!!!!

I'm confused.... does this mean you want them to do that or do you want them to do this in addition to the X Files type episodes?

:erm: :errrr:

 

[cinnamonia]

Ok, I see your point:smile:

No, I don't say I want more X-file type of eps, but I don't mind if there is some more...in the future.
I was just trying to say that I like the way the characters developed during the seasons and I think they need something more than just exporing the galaxy. (Warning: I'm gonna start rambling again) And I hope they will NOT bring back the NID thing in the near future. At least they could mix it with going off world (like in Shades of Grey).

What really worries me is the way they're trying to tide up storylines...wait a minute...

<realization hits cinnamonia>

we are talking about the same thing!

oh, my...i could use some sleep!

 

[Texane]

The epys in Season 5 have been WEAK, I'm entitled to my opinion, I don't care if anyone else likes it, and that is that.

 

[Marty's Mine]

of cource ur entitled 2 ur oppinion Texane

 

[Texane]

Whew! Now that I've got that out of my system, another interview said that RDA would NOT be taking any inordinate amount of time off from Season 6.

 

[skoon]

hmmm, me thinks they like fooling with our minds

 

[Marty's Mine]

lol yeh probably

 

[Dave]

I want to have a balance of both kinds of stories. I would get sick of the 'alien/ planet of the week' stories just as much as the 'conspiracy' ones. Up to now I had thought that they had got the balance right, trouble is that I missed '48 Hours', and that seems to have been the 'conspriracy episode too far', the one which has got you all going!

On the other hand, I've just seen 'The Summit part I', without spoiling it, MS has a big part, it is going 'back to the stars' and I see a long plot thread being built in that direction, so what exactly is the problem with MS?

I agree that unless you map out some of these 'conspiracy' plots well ahead, they become too convoluted, and frankly unbelievable -- exactly like the X-Files! Hopefully, where ever this story is taking us, it will remain as good as it has been.

 

[Marty's Mine]

nicely put Dave

 

[kelsi]

I'm not really keen on the conspriacy ep, the programme shoud be about what it says: Stargate!! Not X-Gate!!

 

[Texane]

You tell 'em, Kelsi!!! :evil: I really liked "Summit" as well. I get the feeling that the epys are not written as far ahead as we might think. MS may have gotten to be a large part of "Summit" because he raised a lot of H-E-double hockey sticks.

 

[skoon]

ya I think yer right Texane. They gave him a bigger part to send him on his way....

 

[Texane]

the writers (have you noticed that the writers of SG-1 get out there and force their opinions alot more than other writers do? Just a thought . . .) have admitted in interviews that they've received their fair share of ugly emails when the Shanks deal went down . . . and that they'd like to get fewer of those kinds of emails