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I'm with Hatshepsut for the same reasons.

Also, we're told Jonas is an archaeologist as well as a physicist. How nice. Maybe he can take over Sam's role as well.

What experience or skills could he possibly bring to the SGC? His planet's technology is 60 years behind the U.S., he doesn't have the knowledge of earth cultures that Daniel did and he certainly doesn't look military.

However, it's obvious that TPTB don't give a rat's ass what the fans think. They'll probably try to jam him down our throats in S6. As for the whole 'hunk' thing, we'll see about that.

(Actually, I'm hoping for a Sam/Jonas romance. That would be a nice twist.)

If they want new blood, why not replace Jack? RDA's been phoning it in for the last season, and he'll only be in 15 eps anyway.
 
D***, you're harsh! I take it you haven't fallen under Jonas' spell yet either. The most positive things I've seen posted are comments such as: Well, he wasn't all that bad, or he's kinda cute, or I'll wait and see.

He's not exactly wowing the public, is he.
 
I decided to give him a chance and I must say that I kinda liked the character.
When SG-1 first met him and he had this idiotic grin on his face was when I had to grin, too! I'm with Pam and also think they made his character as similar to Daniel as possible.
I wasn't too happy when I heard Corin Nemec's gonna be the 'new guy' on Stargate but I have to admit he did good although I too think that neither General Hammond nor Jack would offer him a job in the SGC let alone put him on SG-1 both because the way he reacted in the episode and the fact that SG-1 is the flagship team.
But so far we have no idea what will happen to the character so I'll climb up my tree again and...wait and see...:D :D
 
Originally posted by Anni
It's just a suggestion, but perhaps when viewing episodes with Jonas in them, it might be easier for you if you thought of him as a 'new character' rather than 'Daniel's replacement'.

I mean, I don't know, I'm just guessing, I'm not inside your head and I don't know how intensely you feel about the demise of Daniel, but let's face it Daniel was a 'pretty boy' too and I know that he was there from the outset of the show and many have grown to love and respect the character, but perhaps we need to give Jonas the benefit of the doubt. He may fit in like a charm, we won't really know until we have seen an episode where he's reacting to the rest of the team and seen what, if any, rapport he manages to achieve.

Just a thought or two.

I totally agree. We CAN'T look at Jonas through the lens of Daniel Jackson. That would be unfair and not the right thing do to.

Sure, many people will compare Daniel to Jonas. Remember though, you wouldn't be doing justice to your favourite show by doing such that.

Michael Shanks left the show because Stargate had nothing left to offer. He was bored. Going nuts. WACKO!

The bottom line is respect MS decision and think of Jonas as new blood to the show.

Were you tired of the same old story line? Well, Jonas will bring new character, plots, and stories to the show. A wonderful idea since now planet earth MIGHT have a valuable trading partner.
 
Originally posted by Jobeth
I'm with Hatshepsut for the same reasons.

Also, we're told Jonas is an archaeologist as well as a physicist. How nice. Maybe he can take over Sam's role as well.

What experience or skills could he possibly bring to the SGC? His planet's technology is 60 years behind the U.S., he doesn't have the knowledge of earth cultures that Daniel did and he certainly doesn't look military.

However, it's obvious that TPTB don't give a rat's ass what the fans think. They'll probably try to jam him down our throats in S6. As for the whole 'hunk' thing, we'll see about that.

(Actually, I'm hoping for a Sam/Jonas romance. That would be a nice twist.)

If they want new blood, why not replace Jack? RDA's been phoning it in for the last season, and he'll only be in 15 eps anyway.

Why are you a pessimest? There's nothing wrong with Jack. Respect Michael Shank's decision. It was a great idea for MS to leave since it now gives him new opportunities to explore new projects and endeavours. I fully support MS.

To people that are HOPING that MS will come back, don't lose any sleep over it. I myself will be suprised if & when that happens, but place yourself in MS's shoes (pragmatically.) What will happen to my career if I ask producers to take back my request? MS will become a chump!

Back to Jonas. Let him be. Give him a change. Let the young guy explore his new found stardom. Romance with Carter, I'll puke. People already understand MY PERSONAL feelings on Carter. She's tramped around the show. I don't like that!
 
Originally posted by BC Rommie :D
i have one word for him LOOSER

I love the originality. You still haven't explained why Jonas is a loser. You haven't given him a chance nor accepted the fact the Michael Shanks has a life outside of television.

Jonas has my full support. True, he's operating in Michael Shank's shadow, but people know and understand the politics behind the show.

I can't wait to see what writers are scheming for the sixth season. I can't wait!
 
Originally posted by Jobeth
D***, you're harsh! I take it you haven't fallen under Jonas' spell yet either. The most positive things I've seen posted are comments such as: Well, he wasn't all that bad, or he's kinda cute, or I'll wait and see.

He's not exactly wowing the public, is he.

Please tell me that you're accepting Jonas into the show. I agree with you that not many people are embracing his character. Some people here have to understand that actors have lives can make decisions about their careers.

Jonas is a good character; and like I've said before, I can't wait to see what the writers are scheming.
 
The thing that *really* niggles me is that we are expected to believe that SG1 and General Hammond are *dumb* enough to take on Judas Quinn :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire

S.G.-1 is a person short. S.G.C. has on a hand a pool of proven high calibre humans who would give their eye teeth for a chance to join the flagship team, S.G.-1.

Do they choose one of their own whom they've trained for the job? You'd think so, wouldn't you? But no.

They are going to pass over all these excellent people for an alien BAD EGG who:

1. stood cravenly by while Dr. Jackson promptly and courageously leapt in to save his people,

2. colluded in the blackguarding of Daniel's reputation over the damage to the lab. in order to preserve his own reputation.

3. stole naquadrium from his own people

4. treasonably took it to a foreign power

5. made S.G.C. a present of this stolen property, thus making them accessories after the fact of his crime, and risking a diplomatic embarrassment when the theft is discovered and the thief has absconded to Earth...

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! :reyes: :disturbed :reyes:

Next, they'll be expecting us to believe that water flows uphill!!! :mad: :angry: :mad:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - who feels like the small boy in the fairy story of 'The Emperor's New Clothes'. Gak!
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Originally posted by Hatshepsut
The thing that *really* niggles me is that we are expected to believe that SG1 and General Hammond are *dumb* enough to take on Judas Quinn :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire

S.G.-1 is a person short. S.G.C. has on a hand a pool of proven high calibre humans who would give their eye teeth for a chance to join the flagship team, S.G.-1.

Do they choose one of their own whom they've trained for the job? You'd think so, wouldn't you? But no.

They are going to pass over all these excellent people for an alien BAD EGG who:

1. stood cravenly by while Dr. Jackson promptly and courageously leapt in to save his people,

2. colluded in the blackguarding of Daniel's reputation over the damage to the lab. in order to preserve his own reputation.

3. stole naquadrium from his own people

4. treasonably took it to a foreign power

5. made S.G.C. a present of this stolen property, thus making them accessories after the fact of his crime, and risking a diplomatic embarrassment when the theft is discovered and the thief has absconded to Earth...

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! :reyes: :disturbed :reyes:

Next, they'll be expecting us to believe that water flows uphill!!! :mad: :angry: :mad:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - who feels like the small boy in the fairy story of 'The Emperor's New Clothes'. Gak!
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You've made some valuable points and have contributed to my understanding of Jonas' character. Still, you've overlooked the essence of his character.

Jonas hoped to bridge the relationship between two worlds. He's the misunderstood academic on his home planet and the sore thumb on Earth. Not many people were kicking and screaming when Teal'c left Chulak to backstab his gods.

Jonas intended to save his people from destruction. He also intended to help Earth find a new power source. The bottom line is that Jonas government were using the 'ore' to intimidate the other rivalling superpower. We all know that nuclear weapons don't prevent war, but ignite change in political ideologies and methodologies.

The bottom line is also don't know much about Jonas. Everything right is speculation. We don't know if producers read our comments. The bottom line is MS is gone. If we continue to look at Jonas through Daniel's lenses, we're not helping Stargate. If we're true fans we'll embrace what Jonas has to offer.
 
Originally posted by Garron


You've made some valuable points and have contributed to my understanding of Jonas' character. Still, you've overlooked the essence of his character.


No, I think I've nailed it pretty well. He's a coward, a liar and a thief who changes sides with every wind that blows. Would you like your life to depend on such a one as he?

Jonas hoped to bridge the relationship between two worlds.

This assumes that such a bridge is desirable. They are 60 years behind Earth technologically and politically, and we all know how 'primitive' the Tau'ri are ;)

He's the misunderstood academic

Spelled T R A I T O R...

Not many people were kicking and screaming when Teal'c left Chulak to backstab his gods.

Now that's just comparing apples with elephants. There's a world of difference between the two cases:

Teal'c:

spent years of soul-searching, along with Master Bra'tac, about the False Gods whom he could see through as I easily as I can see through Judas.

Given the absolute control that the Goa'uld System Lords wielded until they ran up against the Tau'ri, he could not stand against them alone. He would simply have been killed and that would have achieved nothing.

In the interim, as shown in 'Cor-ai', he did what he could to minimise the suffering of those in thrall to the Goa'uld. Finally, S.G.-1 came into his life, giving him his chance to make a difference to his people - to set them free, or at least to give it his best shot.

Furthermore, the people he betrayed are intrinsically evil, so, on the grounds that 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' (cf. 'Crystal Skull'), that makes him a GOOD EGG and a worthy ally.

Judas:

acted on the spur of a rather uncomfortable moment for him on his home planet. His people are not evil, so far as we have seen, just 'primitive'. They are trying to defend themselves from a single enemy on their own planet, much as the Americans v. the Soviets during the Cold War here. They are not tyrants as such.

Judas's defection contributes nothing to the safety of his world; if anything, he's made it more dangerous in risking war between his world and the Tau'ri if we refuse to return their stolen property. Definitely a BAD EGG.

He also intended to help Earth find a new power source.

Why? What's in it for him?

The bottom line is that Jonas government were using the 'ore' to intimidate the other rivalling superpower. We all know that nuclear weapons don't prevent war, but ignite change in political ideologies and methodologies.

Wonder what would have happened here if some extra-terrestrial power had tried to intervene here during the Cuban missile crisis? Would it have been appreciated? Or would we have gone closer to the edge if we'd had someone holding our leash?

As I recall, knowing the result of a nuclear war - M.A.D. - we managed to work things out for ourselves. Don't you think they have the same right to self-determination? Wouldn't intervention look a bit like Goa'uld-like arrogance?

The bottom line is also don't know much about Jonas.

Quite. And what we do know is solely to his detriment.

But S.G.C. knows virtually everything it needs to know about its own people whom they've trained themselves for a number of years. Don't they have a better claim to join S.G.-1?

We don't know if producers read our comments.

Or if they do, whether they care that they are insulting the intelligence of their audience.

The bottom line is MS is gone.

Ooh, another bottom line ;)

Well, here's a third bottom line. Putting 'Meridian' behind us, S.G.-1 is a person short...

If we continue to look at Jonas through Daniel's lenses,

We're *not* looking at Judas through Daniel's lenses, we're just refusing to look at him through rose-coloured spectacles, and we're seeing him for what he has already shown himself to be, a BAD EGG.

we're not helping Stargate. If we're true fans we'll embrace what Jonas has to offer.

A fourth bottom line is that Stargate S.G.-1 shouldn't need our help; it should be able to stand on its own two feet.

Embrace what Jonas has to offer? Fresh air? No make that slightly foetid air... :angry: Plus an oily grin. Smarm does not equal charm...

"Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes..."!

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Originally posted by Hatshepsut


No, I think I've nailed it pretty well. He's a coward, a liar and a thief who changes sides with every wind that blows. Would you like your life to depend on such a one as he?


I'm afraid you've missed that nail by a light year. Again, Jonas is not meant to replace Daniel. He is a new character, bringing new ideas and blood to the show.

This assumes that such a bridge is desirable. They are 60 years behind Earth technologically and politically, and we all know how 'primitive' the Tau'ri are


The bridge is down. The fact is that Earth and Jonas are working together.

Spelled T R A I T O R...


That's you're opinion. Opinions are similar to a**holes. Everyone has one.

Now that's just comparing apples with elephants. There's a world of difference between the two cases:
Teal'c:
spent years of soul-searching, along with Master Bra'tac, about the False Gods whom he could see through as I easily as I can see through Judas.
Given the absolute control that the Goa'uld System Lords wielded until they ran up against the Tau'ri, he could not stand against them alone. He would simply have been killed and that would have achieved nothing.
In the interim, as shown in 'Cor-ai', he did what he could to minimise the suffering of those in thrall to the Goa'uld. Finally, S.G.-1 came into his life, giving him his chance to make a difference to his people - to set them free, or at least to give it his best shot.
Furthermore, the people he betrayed are intrinsically evil, so, on the grounds that 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' (cf. 'Crystal Skull'), that makes him a GOOD EGG and a worthy ally.


In other words, Teal'c backstabbed his people for some non-gou'ald women.

Judas:
acted on the spur of a rather uncomfortable moment for him on his home planet. His people are not evil, so far as we have seen, just 'primitive'. They are trying to defend themselves from a single enemy on their own planet, much as the Americans v. the Soviets during the Cold War here. They are not tyrants as such.
Judas's defection contributes nothing to the safety of his world; if anything, he's made it more dangerous in risking war between his world and the Tau'ri if we refuse to return their stolen property. Definitely a BAD EGG.
Why? What's in it for him?


Jonas, its not Judas. Besides, what do you have against Jonas? He's done the right thing. He's giving us power. What's up your butt?

Wonder what would have happened here if some extra-terrestrial power had tried to intervene here during the Cuban missile crisis? Would it have been appreciated? Or would we have gone closer to the edge if we'd had someone holding our leash?
As I recall, knowing the result of a nuclear war - M.A.D. - we managed to work things out for ourselves. Don't you think they have the same right to self-determination? Wouldn't intervention look a bit like Goa'uld-like arrogance?


There was. R O S W E L L ! ! !

Quite. And what we do know is solely to his detriment.
But S.G.C. knows virtually everything it needs to know about its own people whom they've trained themselves for a number of years. Don't they have a better claim to join S.G.-1?
Well, here's a third bottom line. Putting 'Meridian' behind us, S.G.-1 is a person short...


You're right. For the first time. You're right. We are one person short. But the bottom line is that the SGC has to work with what its got. Jonas will be the new team member. AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE!

We're *not* looking at Judas through Daniel's lenses, we're just refusing to look at him through rose-coloured spectacles, and we're seeing him for what he has already shown himself to be, a BAD EGG.


Still looking at life with the rose coloured spectacles. Life does go beyond MGM and the Stargate. MS has a life ourside of Stargate. Merely accept fact. He's gone.

A fourth bottom line is that Stargate S.G.-1 shouldn't need our help; it should be able to stand on its own two feet.


I'll agree

Embrace what Jonas has to offer? Fresh air? No make that slightly foetid air... Plus an oily grin. Smarm does not equal charm...


Matter of opinion, my friend.

"Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes..."!
A fourth bottom line is that Stargate S.G.-1 shouldn't need our help; it should be able to stand on its own two feet.


I'll agree

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In the end, it doesn't matter. Nothing matters in the END. The show will run, we have work to do (school, work, or whatever), and we will both continue to fight for the last word.

Farewell.
 
Voted yes at the mo but could change my mind so Dave - little super mod - get ready for that time. hehehe!!!!!!!


annette :D
 
No, I think I've nailed it pretty well. He's a coward, a liar and a thief who changes sides with every wind that blows. Would you like your life to depend on such a one as he?

I'm afraid you've missed that nail by a light year.

No, I don't think so. I hit it pretty neatly on the head :D

Again, Jonas is not meant to replace Daniel.

Why are you bringing Dr. Jackson into the equation? S.G.-1 is a person short. Regardless of whether you regard the replacement as Dr. Jackson's replacement or not, that place has to be filled. S.G.C. *must* have a large number of high calibre, trustworthy, tried-and-tested Americans and other humans who are more than capable of filling that place and very keen to do so. It is screamingly obvious that one does not pass over all those people in favour of a lying, thieving turncoat - not if one wishes to retain any semblance of credibility anyway.


He is a new character, bringing new ideas and blood to the show.

He may very well be, but that doesn't alter the fact that there are plenty more around who would do the same and do it far more credibly



This assumes that such a bridge is desirable. They are 60 years behind Earth technologically and politically, and we all know how 'primitive' the Tau'ri are

The bridge is down. The fact is that Earth and Jonas are working together.

Oh yes? So we'll be expecting the Premier of Judas's country to pop through the Stargate any time now, demanding the return of their property and their traitor, with a threat to wage war on the Tau'ri if these are not forthcoming and P.D.Q.... <g>

Spelled T R A I T O R...

That's you're opinion. Opinions are similar to a**holes. Everyone has one.

I'm sorry, but resorting to crude vulgarity does nothing to elevate the argument. (I use that term in its philosophical sense.)

Now that's just comparing apples with elephants. There's a world of difference between the two cases:
Teal'c: spent years of soul-searching, along with Master Bra'tac, about the False Gods whom he could see through as I easily as I can see through Judas.
Given the absolute control that the Goa'uld System Lords wielded until they ran up against the Tau'ri, he could not stand against them alone. He would simply have been killed and that would have achieved nothing.
In the interim, as shown in 'Cor-ai', he did what he could to minimise the suffering of those in thrall to the Goa'uld. Finally, S.G.-1 came into his life, giving him his chance to make a difference to his people - to set them free, or at least to give it his best shot.
Furthermore, the people he betrayed are intrinsically evil, so, on the grounds that 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' (cf. 'Crystal Skull'), that makes him a GOOD EGG and a worthy ally.


In other words, Teal'c backstabbed his people for some non-gou'ald women.

I'm sorry, but I fail to follow your logic here.

Judas:
acted on the spur of a rather uncomfortable moment for him on his home planet. His people are not evil, so far as we have seen, just 'primitive'. They are trying to defend themselves from a single enemy on their own planet, much as the Americans v. the Soviets during the Cold War here. They are not tyrants as such.
Judas's defection contributes nothing to the safety of his world; if anything, he's made it more dangerous in risking war between his world and the Tau'ri if we refuse to return their stolen property. Definitely a BAD EGG.
Why? What's in it for him?


Jonas, its not Judas. Besides, what do you have against Jonas?

What have I got against Judas Quinn? Well, let's see. So far, he has shown himself to be:

1. a coward

2. a liar

3. an opportunist

4. a thief

5. a traitor

6. a poor judge of character

7. naïve

8. incapable of assessing the probable repercussions of his actions

9. he's obsequious

10. he has an unctuous grin

and I would never pick him for *my* team. I value my life.


He's done the right thing. He's giving us power.

And if he changes sides yet again, and takes his stolen property to present to the Goa'uld and give them power, will he have done the right thing then, too?

What's up your butt?

I *beg* your pardon

Wonder what would have happened here if some extra-terrestrial power had tried to intervene here during the Cuban missile crisis? Would it have been appreciated? Or would we have gone closer to the edge if we'd had someone holding our leash?
As I recall, knowing the result of a nuclear war - M.A.D. - we managed to work things out for ourselves. Don't you think they have the same right to self-determination? Wouldn't intervention look a bit like Goa'uld-like arrogance?


There was. R O S W E L L ! ! !

That was in 1947. The Cuban Missile Crisis was in 1962. Where is the connection? Please give references for your sources.

Quite. And what we do know is solely to his detriment.
But S.G.C. knows virtually everything it needs to know about its own people whom they've trained themselves for a number of years. Don't they have a better claim to join S.G.-1?
Well, here's a third bottom line. Putting 'Meridian' behind us, S.G.-1 is a person short...


You're right. For the first time. You're right. We are one person short.

For the first time? With respect, if you look back, you will find that my second sentence in my first post to which you responded reads: "S.G.-1 is a person short."

But the bottom line <G> is that the SGC has to work with what its got.

Which is a large number of high calibre, highly qualified Americans already employed in the Stargate Project and other highly esteemed American establishments. They have no need of outsiders, even if Judas was in any way desirable, which he verifiably isn't.

Jonas will be the new team member. AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE!

And it certainly couldn't come much lower, could it? :lol:

We're *not* looking at Judas through Daniel's lenses, we're just refusing to look at him through rose-coloured spectacles, and we're seeing him for what he has already shown himself to be, a BAD EGG.

Still looking at life with the rose coloured spectacles.

I'm not, no, which is why I have no difficulty in seeing right through Judas Quinn to the rotten core within :D

Life does go beyond MGM and the Stargate. MS has a life ourside of Stargate. Merely accept fact. He's gone.

Please note that I am not the one who keeps harping on about Dr. Jackson. He is totally irrelevant in this argument which is solely about the undesirability of Judas Quinn

A fourth bottom line is that Stargate S.G.-1 shouldn't need our help; it should be able to stand on its own two feet.

I'll agree

Embrace what Jonas has to offer? Fresh air? No make that slightly foetid air... Plus an oily grin. Smarm does not equal charm...

Matter of opinion, my friend.

Well, I have to confess that I've never been attracted to greasy sycophantic oiks. Y.M.M.V. ;)

"Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes..."!
A fourth bottom line is that Stargate S.G.-1 shouldn't need our help; it should be able to stand on its own two feet.



I'll agree

Wow! :)

In the end, it doesn't matter. Nothing matters in the END. The show will run, we have work to do (school, work, or whatever), and we will both continue to fight for the last word.
And one of us will win :D

Farewell

Adieu

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut
:wave:

P.S. Don't say I don't give value for money :)
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Originally posted by Dave
*applause*

Don't stop, it was just getting to the good bit! :D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thank you so much, Dave. I was beginning to think I was on my own in spotting the ginormous plot-hole there.

Personally, I think it's all been a military conspiracy orchestrated by Major Kockup... :wink2: :nuts:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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LOL.......ditto that!

However, I am immensely curious....... Hat, you seem to hate the character of Jonas Quinn with a vengeance.... which surprises me, because we didn't really get the whole story about him in Meridian. To me he was just a character who appeared in an episode. I didn't think of him as a replacement person for the SG1 team, nor did I think of him as a replacement for Daniel. I'm not sure the little we saw of him was enough to evince such a dire hatred.

I actually have no strong feelings about the character one way or the other. Personally I feel that the concept of the show should be able to stand whether there is a pesonnel change or not.

To be honest, the first sight we saw of him in the episode, I looked at this grinning boy and thought 'my god, some village somewhere is missing an idiot!' but that was the strongest emotion he managed to raise in me.

;)
 
I'm still sitting on the fence, but Hatshepsut's comments are very convincing. I don't know why she seems to hate him that much either, there could be some equally convincing storyline yet which explains why he joins the team :rolleyes:
 
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