6.05: Nightwalkers

Can we just start calling the show Stargate SG-Food? Is Jonas like Rigel the first season over on Farscape where he's cute if he's eating?

Here's my take on the ep (and forgive me if the order is a bit messed, nothing lasting stuck in my mind):
oh, exciting beginning. Carter's pretty house again. hmm. X-files like rain. Strange phonecall. Crash.
Commercial.
Briefing. No Jack. Apparantly vast numbers of days/weeks/months have transpired yet again between episodes. Briefing over. Something about lunch. Drive to town. Ooo. A guest actor appearance.
Commercial.
Yawn. Jonas eating. Jonas and Teal'c drinking.
Commercial.
Peter DeLuise cameo. The man can walk and pick his teeth at the same time! Wow! Oooo. Another restaraunt. Jonas eating. Everyone jumping to the wrong conclusions. Jonas' keen observational skills move the plot along. There's the spaceship.
Hey, the NID are involved. Carter's implanted. Yawn.
Commercial.
Oooo. Gou'alds are dumber than a box of rocks. Yawn. Another stupid briefing. Something about lunch.
The end.

Did I mention the yawning? Did I mention they were all dressed like characters out of the Matrix? I think I've forgotten what Stargate activation looks like. I've forgotten it can go other places. Jack is off doing all the alien stuff the show is supposed to be about.

About the only good thing I can say about the ep is Carter has a mind of her own and actually looks like she could do pretty well for herself if she pulls through command school and advances in rank.
 
Yawn is right....

I think this is my least favorite episode, ever...by a long shot. I absolutely hated it!!!!

To me, the plot was obviously contrived and just not believable at all. It didn't even make sense, really. If the immature snakes had to wait until the hosts went to sleep, would they not lose control on and off during the night if the person woke up? Seems like it would be a tentative control; plus, how would a person function day in and day out with no sleep whatsoever?

Jonas' amazing powers of observation......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Would not Teal'c notice such things, if he's written true to character? And would Sam be such a moron as to not notice weird activity when she's in town specifically to look for weird things?? :disgust:

And why would it take so long to find another host for Jack's symbiont? Do the Tok'ra not breed like humans? (No, not as much sarcasm as you think, I'm really curious....just because the symbionte population doesn't grow doesn't mean the host population wouldn't....) Yet another plot contrivance?? .....sigh!!

I agree with Cyn....why the long black coats and leather pants?? Very Matrix-like.....

Did I mention that I hated this episode?? In fact, I don't think I've much cared for any of this season's episodes so far. Bring back the Stargate!! (And JACK, for that matter.....a scene here and there is just NOT acceptable!! )
 
I also found the show to be very similar to The X-Files. I like when we get to see the characters doing things of earth (like Jack fishing, or when they all went to a restaurant and ate tons of food). But this show was too much on earth and they didn't even show the Stargate. I didn't like that. But, I did find Jonas to be really funny! I'm liking his character more and more, maybe it's the combination of cute and funny! I don't know. I can't wait for next week so I can see more of the actual Stargate!
 
Originally posted by HeyLynny
But, I did find Jonas to be really funny! I'm liking his character more and more, maybe it's the combination of cute and funny!
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ewww. ick. no. Jonas cuties! bleck! I don't like him.

This puppy nearly put me to sleep. That hasn’t happened since I quit working 16 hour days.

*Jonas is SG's Rygel: someone thinks he's cute if he's eating in scene.
*The Stargate wasn't used.
*The Goa'uld were dumber than a box of rocks.
*Even immature Goa'ulds enmass aren't any smarter than Seth. Hasn't anyone on the writing team run afowl of a large group of malganant children before?
*If they can make a spaceship, they could have better security devices. I didn't buy the hiding in plain site thing.
*Jack is off on Tok'ra worlds doing interesting stuff and we don't see a jot of it.
*Many days/week/months have elapsed since Jack's implantation.
*Jonas' extra-human skills move the plot along.
*Jonas is the show's Pinocchio. He's on about : "I want to be a real human, I want to fit in. I don't want to be thought 'strange.'" Are the young fans supposed to emphasize with him in a fit of teenaged angst? I'm sick of that already. I was the strange one in school and I'd have been happier if I'd flaunted it. So seeing Jonas whine and complain isn't interesting to me. The moral fibers I thought Jonas had shown are evaporating fast.
*Being implanted with a Goa'uld isn't as traumatic as it's made out in some episodes.
*The pre and post mission briefings were near identical. No real difference in seating or pacing. In short, no direction seemed to be there. No real urgency to the whole mission. And I can't figure if we're supposed to take the whole episode as a joke. I thought Frozen was a "going through the motions" episode. NW made that look like a feature film in terms of urgency.
*Putting SG up on the same night as Farscape is highlighting all SG's flaws. Farscape's got more emotion and corners the market on the cute man department. Gee. Can you guess which one am I more excited to see when I come home??

Seeing that they saved a small corner of the world without Jack's help, without Daniel, why the heck would we want either of them back at all? Let's just send Wonder Woman and the Wonder Twins out on "NID discovery" missions all season.

amusing stuff:
*Sam the lock picker. There's a whole other side to dear old Sam that she's been hiding. I'm nit picking but, I bought the lock picking until last night when they showed her turning/not turning it.
*They go in the front door of the house? Pullease! Worked for the Martin episode, he seemed to be a guy living in the middle of nowhere USA, but not this episode! Middle of a small town, people dressed in black entering house. Neighbors calling 911 like pronto.
*the package signing thing. Anyone who's worked in an office knows they stop the first warm body they see to sign for stuff.
 
Originally posted by CynVision
ewww. ick. no. Jonas cuties! bleck! I don't like him.
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Sorry to hear that! Don't get me wrong...I still think the show is missing one vital team member...Daniel. It's not the same without him. But, I'm happy that I like Jonas or it would affect how I feel about the whole show. :cool:
 
Jonas is a lot like the writers of Earth:Final Conflict feared the half-alien replacement character was at the start of season two of EFC. He had the Taelon glowing hands thing and seemed to be made to use it a whole lot to solve the episodes. The writing team took what could have been a cool "writing tool" if used with some care and wrote it out of the series. Consider it like Star Trek and the Vulcan nerve pinch or the mind meld of Spock's. They showed up once in awhile in the show. That sort of stuff drove the alien-ness along for his character.

Here's Jonas with his unique talents running ramshod over the series. He's being painted with a few flaws but not anything that moves the series, the team, the SG universe along. Except to push home that Daniel is departed, that is. He's being painted as a big kid. A snack munching, gawky, socially inept, teenager with bright ideas. I'd totally buy in that his people live as long as Teal'c's and he's a "teenager" of sorts in their culture and the government job thing he had was his "summer job" between college and university studies. The reaction of the others to this would be equally fun, IMHO.

So much could have been done with him if he'd been written into the series with more care. He's interesting. But not interesting enough in a lot of ways.
 
It was not the usual Stargate episode but I enjoy it, I like Teal'c and Jonas interaction in the episode. And I wasn't expecting the people of the towns being goaulds. I was expecting something like clones literally make by the scientists but I think they put it very well. Miss Jack, but it looks like I will have my fix next week in abundance. :lol: It was cool to see Carter as the leading one in this episode. It was a cool episode.

Krystal :p
 
Originally posted by CynVision
ewww. ick. no. Jonas cuties! bleck! I don't like him. . . .

*Jonas is the show's Pinocchio. He's on about : "I want to be a real human, I want to fit in. I don't want to be thought 'strange.'" Are the young fans supposed to emphasize with him in a fit of teenaged angst? I'm sick of that already. I was the strange one in school and I'd have been happier if I'd flaunted it. So seeing Jonas whine and complain isn't interesting to me. The moral fibers I thought Jonas had shown are evaporating fast.
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Yeah, but seeing Sam bitch-slap the boy was the high-point of the show for me. Funny though -- if she really wanted to make it convincing to the townsfolk I'd have thought she'd hit him harder.

No point in hitting T'ealc, of course. He just wouldn't have given the wonderful surprised reaction that Jonas did ;)
 
Stargate SG-1 meets The X-Files and the wardrobe of The Matrix!!

I had the feeling that Scully and Mulder could walk in any moment. It was a boring epi although it sometimes lightened up a little.

Anyway I hope that the next epis will be a lot better because else it had been better if they had stopped right after Revelations.

Falcon Horus ;)
 
Originally posted by Dave
I think this came from the same source:

In the middle of the night, a phone call wakes Carter. the call is from Dr. Flemming, whom she has never met. He starts to tell her that "the project" was never stopped. He doesn't say which project, but mentions Adrian Conrad, who became a Goa'uld host in Season Five's "Desperate Measures". He asks for some protection, and then Carter hears what sounds like a car crash.
Carter, Teal'c and Jonas are sent out to investigate. Jack doesn't go, and Carter is in charge of mission. They go to a small town were the biotech firm that Flemming was working for is located. The sheriff tells them that Flemming's car was found wrecked, but his body wasn't there when help arrived. Flemming has vanished. The sheriff suspects foul play, and the biotech firm has burned down just prior to SG-1's arrival. Very X-Files.

Most of the towns people have immature Goa'uld in their heads which, like Kawalski in the first season episode "The Enemy Within", can't control them all the time. The Goa'uld are building a ship to try to escape from Earth. The NID know about the whole thing.

There's some comic relief with Jonas and Teal'c doing the "aliens trying to act like ordinary humans" thing. Carter is possessed by a Goa'uld, but all turns out well in the end.

I would prefer that the X-Files continued for another season, and that Stargate stayed being Stargate, but what does anyone care what I think? :(
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You're right. Not many people have to care what you think, BUT this is the internet. I don't operate like that. I think that you should have a more positive approach.

People will always criticize a good position or argument. Instead of saying "what does anyone care what I think," I'd say, "You don't have what it takes to challenge me. I rule. My opinions are all that really matters :)"

Over and beyond that, I think that this episode was great. Stargate hit the nail on the coffin this time. That's why we love Stargate, it incorporates different ideas and amalgamates them into one.

It Star Trek, X-Files, Macgyver, The Twilight Zone, and many more in one!

Believe it or not, we all love it!
 
Re: Yawn is right....

Originally posted by bummer
I think this is my least favorite episode, ever...by a long shot. I absolutely hated it!!!!

To me, the plot was obviously contrived and just not believable at all. It didn't even make sense, really. If the immature snakes had to wait until the hosts went to sleep, would they not lose control on and off during the night if the person woke up? Seems like it would be a tentative control; plus, how would a person function day in and day out with no sleep whatsoever?

Jonas' amazing powers of observation......zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Would not Teal'c notice such things, if he's written true to character? And would Sam be such a moron as to not notice weird activity when she's in town specifically to look for weird things?? :disgust:

And why would it take so long to find another host for Jack's symbiont? Do the Tok'ra not breed like humans? (No, not as much sarcasm as you think, I'm really curious....just because the symbionte population doesn't grow doesn't mean the host population wouldn't....) Yet another plot contrivance?? .....sigh!!

I agree with Cyn....why the long black coats and leather pants?? Very Matrix-like.....

Did I mention that I hated this episode?? In fact, I don't think I've much cared for any of this season's episodes so far. Bring back the Stargate!! (And JACK, for that matter.....a scene here and there is just NOT acceptable!! )
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If you don't like what you see, change the channel.
 
Originally posted by HeyLynny
I also found the show to be very similar to The X-Files. I like when we get to see the characters doing things of earth (like Jack fishing, or when they all went to a restaurant and ate tons of food). But this show was too much on earth and they didn't even show the Stargate. I didn't like that. But, I did find Jonas to be really funny! I'm liking his character more and more, maybe it's the combination of cute and funny! I don't know. I can't wait for next week so I can see more of the actual Stargate!
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Everyone hates critics. Sit back, drink a beer, smoke a cigarette or a joint, and CHILLAX.

Stargate is a show that looks into the history of human beings. Its only natural that the storyline look into what's happening on earth.

You people, if you didn't like the show, you don't have to watch it.
 
Originally posted by HeyLynny


Sorry to hear that! Don't get me wrong...I still think the show is missing one vital team member...Daniel. It's not the same without him. But, I'm happy that I like Jonas or it would affect how I feel about the whole show. :cool:
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Daniel is gone. Face fact. You people make me sick. Wake up and smell the roses. Can't you handle some reality?

HE'S GONE.

It makes me happy to see that people miss him. That's not to say that I hated him, its just I hate to see people whine about how they miss DANIEL!

Gawd, wake up. Get a reality check. Look in the mirror. Stop your whining for crying out loud. Can't you support MS's decision already?

He's already make a guest appearence on 606. That's enough already.

:)
 
Originally posted by Falcon Horus
Stargate SG-1 meets The X-Files and the wardrobe of The Matrix!!

I had the feeling that Scully and Mulder could walk in any moment. It was a boring epi although it sometimes lightened up a little.

Anyway I hope that the next epis will be a lot better because else it had been better if they had stopped right after Revelations.

Falcon Horus ;)
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Some new blood on this thread would be a good idea. The Stargate and X-files convergence created an excellent story.

I love it!
 
I thought Adrian Conrad was dead? but, then again, I think I was doing a bunch of other stuff while I was watching that ep --


Okay - about this episode -

I wasn't thrilled with it - tho, Teal'c got more lines than he's ever had, IIRC --- he actually got to TALK!

beyond that, eh - overuse of Jonas as a plot device -- they either need to give him a 'job' on the team, or find someone else -

Jonas is a fine character, and he does have great potential, the writers are just not using him as well as they could, and I think some of the 'team' dynamic is missing.

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okay- to Garron -

Um - we all come here to comment on our thoughts about the show and the episodes. Opinions will always differ, that's just the way things are. Some will love an episode, some will dislike it, and some will downright hate it.

Honestly, my opinion is, if you love every episode just b/c it's another episode of your fave show, you're not a true fan, b/c a true fan will pick apart the show and find a few episodes that just aren't as good as the others.

We, as viewers, are supposed to watch and report. We can't always like everything about every program we watch. I'm a die-hard MacGyver fan, but there are a couple episodes that I just can't stand - bad writing, bad hair, bad make-up, bad story - whatever the reason, they're just not enjoyable.

Now, I came into S6 a little differently than most of the others, b/c I haven't seen most of S5, so I didn't have any preconceptions of Jonas, so, when I first saw him on screen, I didn't immediately hate him. I gave him a chance, but the writers seem to be having a slight problem fitting him into the show in a believable way. That's just my opinion on him. I'm still giving him a chance - I haven't quite thrown in the towel.

As for 'changing the channel' or 'watching or not watching' - I have a feeling that most of the ppl who post here are watching SG-1 each week still b/c they are holding out hope that the PTB will do something to restore their faith in the show. (Which the PTB really need to do, or they'll lose viewers.) So, they tune in each week, watch SG-1 and see the mediocre plots and over-abundant Jonas talk and their hopes sink again (mind you, this is very melodramatic and just speculation). So, they then come here to 'vent' their feelings about the episode.

Now, of course, I can't say *why* they didn't like the episode, maybe they've preconceived notions that it's going to suck b/c Daniel's gone. Fine. That's they're prerogative and if that's the way they choose to watch the show, fine, they probably won't like any of this season's eps except the one that MS agreed to do (or whatever). If they watch the show just to see Jack, again, they might be disappointed b/c of RDA's personal life schedule. It's hard to say why anyone watches a show, and what is in his/her head when they do, but if the expectations he/she holds are not met, then he/she will be disappointed. End of story.

The best we can do is tune in each week w/ the hope that the writers/producers/etc give us a good solid story that we can enjoy.

Though, I will agree with you on one point - enough of the whining about Daniel being gone. I'm sorry, but it's beginning to reach annoying levels. He is gone and there's nothing that can be done to bring him back. Yes, I love Daniel and he was an excellent character, but MS decided to leave the show; it was his decision to make and he made it.

However, on a lighter note -- Keep watching Stargate SG-1, the writers may surprise you yet.

(tho someone mentioned pulling Joss Whedon as a writer - ummm - let's not - he's kinda recycling his own ideas already)
 
The last heard of Adrian Conrad was in "48 hours". I've heard nothing since.
 
from what i hear, adrian will be seen again before the end of the show.

as to liking, not liking...hey we all like different stuff. no one's opinion is right, noone's wrong.
 
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