Who is Robbs heir?

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Well Big D, I dont think they checked the package for operational capabilities....maybe they just assumed, or thought that Bran would never get to marry.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Seriously people this is such a huge issue for me....if he legitimizes Jon and the Others are defeated then that incest with Dany some people were hoping for becomes a possibility....if he names the Blackfish then we have a better idea where he's going, if he removes Sansa she may loose all faith in ln the world and become a mini-Petyr.....cmon people the ramifications are staggering.

Am I the only one here who seriously hopes that no matter what, Jon will stay true to his vows? Meaning, he'll stay with the NightWatch, no matter how the war with the Others turns out, no matter how many silver-haired sylphs drop by, and definitely no matter how many homely, snaggle-toothed redheads come along?
If he named the Blackfish, that would be awesome, because that would mean more Blackfish.
If he removes Sansa, I don't think it will do any more to her than has already been done. She's on a straight path from minstrel love songs to death metal, as it is.
Regardless, it doesn't really matter what Robb wanted. The chances that his wishes will actually come to fruition are rather slim. Where are these proclamations of his located? Are they in good hands? Is there more than one copy? Is anyone alive who knew about them? And, if Dany comes to power, will she even respect them? After all, in her eyes Robb could be just another Usurper.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Actually I was just trying to move the conversation away from Brans bits and pieces. I want Jon to stay on the wall and think of Ygritte and the bitterness of her death everytime a women attempts to come on to him.

You have three lords that were present at the time heading to Greywater Watch (I think its 3 anyhow.) They would at least attempt to honor the words of a Stark especially if its to name the Blackfish as a regent. I think the North can be salvaged just prior to the Others driving through there like a monsoon. And with Rickon and Bran still floating around believed dead (even though I think Rick is out on Bear Island or heading that way) it is actually an issue. And with it happening off-screen like it did....I know it will become an issue. You dont throw that tidbit in and not make it matter, seems like a waste of time of Georgies part...right?

 

[the smiling weirwood]

ARGH! Why is it that everyone wants Jon to break his vows? You talk about them becoming obsolete, but the vows say he will guard the realms of men until his death, so even if the Others are destroyed he'll still be bound. Why? I agree with Aryaunderfoot, I want him to keep his vows, it just wouldn't be good otherwise.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Umm...once again just trying to get more people to talk....stop trying to derail...love Jon, love the Nightswatch, hate the Dany. Kinda dig the Others.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

I think Rick is out on Bear Island or heading that way

Wait- why do you think he's heading to Bear Island?

And, do you think the Lords of the North would support a Tully as regent, or would they be a bit put-out that it wasn't one of them?

 

[Mort]

I agree, as one of Ned's children (or grew as his child), Jon must keep his vows, and it will be dissapointing to see him just ignore them. However, I really expect to see House Stark rebuilt, and as it is, I fear it's not going to happen. Bran will have no heir, Jon has his vows, Sanas's falling to the dark side, Arya rules, and Rickon's just a little kid, his chance to survive is pretty low. My only hope is the former name of the seventh book, A Time For Wolves.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

My only hope is the former name of the seventh book, A Time For Wolves.

Maybe they'll be like the Power Rangers and become on big Stark. Problem solved.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Wait- why do you think he's heading to Bear Island?

And, do you think the Lords of the North would support a Tully as regent, or would they be a bit put-out that it wasn't one of them?

Its not so much the Lords as the ones that are left. Especially if the three I mentioned earlier get through. The ones with some strength left, Manderly Reed and Mormont would....(I include Bear Island because the women are still left...and we know what theyre like). Besides the boy king was much beloved....they would follow his wishes for a regent. Especially one with such a high regard as Brynden.

As for why I think Rick is headed out to Bear Island, something about the way the Mormont child responded to Stannis struck a "They know something we dont know" thats all...and really where else is there? Whiteharbor is the only other Stark stronghold left it seems like. Maybe the timeline is off...but thats just gut feeling.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Umm...once again just trying to get more people to talk....stop trying to derail...love Jon, love the Nightswatch, hate the Dany. Kinda dig the Others.

You have no room to talk. Remember a certain argument with TK on another thread? At least my derailments deal with the book.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

...and really where else is there? Whiteharbor is the only other Stark stronghold left it seems like. Maybe the timeline is off...but thats just gut feeling.

I always assumed that Osha was taking Rickon to the Crannogmen.

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

I always assumed that Osha was taking Rickon to the Crannogmen.

ditto

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

You have no room to talk. Remember a certain argument with TK on another thread? At least my derailments deal with the book.

Chalk it up to the ole pot/kettle, guess what? yer black conversation....but at least it wasnt about the operational capabilities of a little boy.....sometimes you guys are oddly fascinating, like passing a train wreck in your car...you know its gonna end horribly but you slow down anyhow.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

I always assumed that Osha was taking Rickon to the Crannogmen.

How would she get there, isnt one of the reasons why no ones been because the place moves and no one not a crannog dont know how to get there....I always assumed she wasnt going because Jojen and Meera went with Bran. I could be wrong, you know the old saying....when you assume you make an ass out of Aegon or something like that

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

Chalk it up to the ole pot/kettle, guess what? yer black conversation....but at least it wasnt about the operational capabilities of a little boy.....sometimes you guys are oddly fascinating, like passing a train wreck in your car...you know its gonna end horribly but you slow down anyhow.

hey, we COULD be talking about Tyrions sex life ***shudder***

Mmm..wheres that thread on "Things you want to see less of" anyway?




As for Osha, for whatever reason I had it in my mind she was probably just going to strike out for the general area and pray for luck.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

As for Osha, for whatever reason I had it in my mind she was probably just going to strike out for the general area and pray for luck.

Not to mention, Meera could have easily given her a few pointers about where to go or what to do so that they knew she was coming.

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

aha, good point! I love the internet. Its like one big wired brain...

 

[Boaz]

Osha specifically said she was headed towards White Harbor. But perhaps that was to throw the scent off Rick's trail completely. She could have gone to Greywater Watch or Bear Island.

White Harbor is the least Northern (culturally speaking) place in the North. They are closer in culture to the Seven, the South, and knightly ways than they are to the Old Gods, the North, and wild beasts. I think Osha may have picked up on this... White Harbor would be about the last place she'd find a warm welcome and a listening ear.

Bear Island lies off the west coast. To reach it, Osha would have to run the gauntlet of Greyjoy longships. It might be done, but does she have coin to pay for such passage? Any northerner with any sense will surely wonder about Shaggy and most likely guess who Rickon is. And I'm sure the Greyjoys would pay handsomely for a Stark heir.

In my opinion, Greywater Watch makes sense. Osha can probably prove verbally that she's met Meera and Jojen. Howland Reed is known for his love for House Stark. The Crannogmen seem to respect the Green powers and appear to revere the lost Children of the Forest. As a wildling, Osha knows many stories of the Children and other lost creatures. My guess is that the Crannogmen worship the Old Gods just like Osha. Also, the Reeds will be one of the last, if not the last, that the Crown will bother with bringing in back into the King's Peace.

But then again, Rickon and Davos in White Harbor together sets up real possibilities.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

At this point Im not so much advocating for Bear Island, but against Greywater. I just dont see travelling to a bog in hopes of meeting someone to take you further in. The Crannogmen were just not seen that often. People die going in there....are there any villages on the edge. I dont think so, but I dont have a map here. Robb sent people in boats, flying his flag, in redundandcy and wasnt even sure that would work. A women, a dog and a 4 year old dont have a chance...and besides I dont think putting Rickons head on the block at Greywater is any different than risking the Greyjoy controlled line. As for paying handsomely I dont think thats an issue for the Stark retainers, remember the guy in the woods Bran and Co. ate with, he didnt ask any questions but there arent many crippled lords sons in the north.

Personally I chance the Ironborn....but thats just my own personal bias and I get that.

Someone floated a theory somewhere the one of the Mormonts was on one of the boats sent into the Neck....so its a longshot but its possible she met up with an unsuccessful expedition into the Neck and came away with whichever it was....but thats a longshot.

So Whiteharbor anyone? I remember Bran enjoyed the company of Lord Manderly.

 

[Funky Cthulu]

He's not paralyzed per se, it's just that his legs are shattered. The feeling in his legs is gone, but that doesn't mean his um...other feelings are gone. It's not as if his spine was injured.

Not that I want to bring Bran's procreative abilities back into the mix badly, but I think its sort of important to the plot, so I thought I'd clarify.
I believe its Willard Tyrell you're thinking of, whose legs were crushed when his horse fell on him. Bran's spine is most likely broken at some point as he has no feeling in his legs - indication the nerves signals are no longer received by the brain - his legs are still alive and not rotting, therefore blood supply continues, which is consistent with paraplegia - the nerve bundles contained in the spine are severed but not the blood vessels in the legs themselves. And yes, he would probably be impotent. Although, interestingly, some paraplegic men are still fertile, they just can't perform (anyone remember that scene from Hannibal with the shock prod?). Now that I've totally grossed you out, my work is done.