In a Quandry! Advice/Help needed

I'm also very sorry to hear of your experience, though grateful that you felt able to share it here. It does serve as a very useful lesson to those writers who so desperately want to get published that they may be willing to part with their hard earned cash to realise their dream. I'm glad to hear that you were not stung for huge sums of money - it's a bitter enough pill to swallow without that.

I can't add much to what has been said already, other than to add my own best wishes for your future submissions.
 
Mark Robson said:
I'm also very sorry to hear of your experience, though grateful that you felt able to share it here. It does serve as a very useful lesson to those writers who so desperately want to get published that they may be willing to part with their hard earned cash to realise their dream. I'm glad to hear that you were not stung for huge sums of money - it's a bitter enough pill to swallow without that.

I can't add much to what has been said already, other than to add my own best wishes for your future submissions.

Hi Mark,

Many thanks for the kind words.

I keep having to repeat myself thanking everyone for their support over this. But it is very much appreciated.
 
Well it's a week on from the last post, and for anyone who is interested there have been lot's of fun and games!

A lot has been going on over at the Absolutewrite forums, where more and more people caught up in this have been coming out of the woodwork, and virtually everyday there is some other revelation. In fact the twists and turns that have followed the Hill thing would have made a good novel in their own write.

Half the staff who apparently worked for the agency were just one person (Hill - if that is his real name) and a woman involved as well.

One of the main posters on Absolutewrite (concerning this subject) turned out to be Hill himself...

People have been informing the VAT office, the police and even the FBI, because of course many people were taken in by this from all over the world.

There has been a lot of mutual support, and a lot of distrust sown by the fact that no one knows whether 'Hill' is posting there under a different name.

All in all it's been totally crazy: The best summing up of the entire thing has been covered over the last four days by Victoria Strauss at http://accrispin.blogspot.com/

As for myself: I just want to get up and put everything behind me. Most of last week I sepnt on holiday, daytripping around the area and trying to sort everything out in my head. (Lived in Devon all my life and still managed to go to places I have not been to before!)

I've not done much writing since this all happened, it really stopped me in the tracks, which as far as I am concernied is probably whe worst fallout, but have started something, a new short - just to make myself write!

But all in all I'd like to think it's over, I made a mistake, got caught out, knowcked down, and I've picked myself up and moved on. I'm right back where I was a year ago, but the worlk can go out to new agents to look at, this time reputable one. And it has done so...

Once again, I'd like to thank everyone here for their support - it made me feel all warm and glowy - and those of you I knew had books published I have actually bought a few... have no idea when I will read them but still thanks to all and if anything else happens that is of note I'll add it to the thread...
 
Fantastic to hear that you're putting it behind you. I wish you the very best of luck with your search for a new agent!
 
It's quite a long time now since all of the above happened, but I would like to bring an end to the thread - sort of (!) by sharing something with you all, and to thank all of those who helped out with comments and advice etc.

Although things did go bad, and the whole bad agent thing left a very sour taste in the mouth, things can take a sudden turn and good things can come from the bad:

Back before everything went wrong, when Christopher Hill was still apparently an agent and had just informed me that there was an offer coming I started to think about the future. I had not really expected the deal to happen, but suddenly it seemed that I had a publishing deal and I made a decision. I was not going to tell anyone until it was singed, sealed and delivered, and I was not going to earmark the money for anything.

But for one thing.

I decided that a small amount would be used to buy an engagement ring for my long time girlfriend. Unannounced and unexpected it would be a great surprise, and I was probably looking forward to that more than even the novel appearing in the bookshops.

And then that e-mail arrived and slowly everything fell to pieces.

As I like everyone else involved began to pick themselves up and dust ourselves off, I realised the engagement idea was on hold again – I did not think I could afford a ring and that it would have to wait. You can imagine how glad I was that I had not told Suzie what I was planning.

Then something unexpected happened. Hill offered a refund, and through that long process of cheques being promised, not arriving of receiving an e-cheque payment through Paypal, waiting for it to clear, and then paying it into my bank account, all of which takes time.

I made a decision. I had not been expecting to get the money back, and I would just waste it anyway, but I could put it towards that engagement ring. With everything that had happened with the whole Hill & Hill fiasco something positive could still from it.

The money cleared at the start of this week, and I am off into the local town (Plymouth) to buy a ring, hopefully something Amethyst and later I will pop the question…
 
Oh, that is good news... Good luck, and I hope we'll soon be handing out congratulations! All the best....


Oh, and thanks for keeping us posted on what's going on with things....
 
HEY, HEY!!!

Super! Congratulations! That's great news, and I'm very happy for you!

Now, THAT is what I call a silver lining!:) :D
 
That's great news! I'm so glad something good came out of the whole horrible mess :)
 
Many congratulations ... you've just been subjected to the most expensive word in the English language. All you need to do now is to complete the set with the other two - 'I do' and you'll be poor for evermore! Only kidding. Great to hear that there is a 'happily ever after' ending. Best wishes for the future.
 
Within the first minute of the first post on this, I knew it was Christopher Hill. I'm from absolutewrite, and we have been following this story for a long time. There are at least 50 or more victims of this calimity (maybe much more), and most have decided to move on and continue. It is one of the worst scams to come along in years, since this one threw up so many false hopes, and tugged on the emotional heartstrings.

I'm so glad you've decided to keep a stiff upper lip on this and forge on. That's courage. The best of luck to you.

Triceratops
 
Thank you so much for sharing this story! I firmly believe that you have saved more than one person who has hopes for their writing from having to experience such a foul play. I assuredly would have been sucked in just as you described...I just KNOW it!

Congrats on your future....(no wonder she said YES...you are most likely a kind and loving person...as evidenced by your willingness to share this information with others...in addition to being honest, intelligent and having a good wit!) Then too...you ARE rather a hero because of your sharing...at least to those of us...who would have been duped just as easily as falling off a log!

May your publishing woes dissipate and your successes multiply ten fold!
 
I was just wandering (nostalgically - there is a reason for this that will become apparent in the next few weeks, I hope) through my old threads and came across this one, one of my first and probably most important threads on the Chrons. There's been a lot of time and water under the bridge since I first posted here.

A lot has happened in between, but I thought it was worth looking back and mentioning just how much the incident with Hill and Hill did effect me, with a bit of time, and to give the Chrons some well deserved praise.

Before it all happened, I seemed to be in a really good place. I had an agent, Imy book was under review by a publisher and there was interest in said novel. Most of this was just lies, but I did not know it. When it all crumbled I was left stunned, feeling like an idiot (to say the least) but determined to carry on.

But although I started to it slowly ate away at me, and I started to give up. It was easier to say I'd go back to the manuscript later, I'd write something else later, I'd... well it's easy to let time pass like that.

To be fair it was not just all this that contributed to my lack of enthusiasm. As mentioned above I got engaged.

I had a massive seizure, that although open to a lot of debate, I still believe if not for my then fiancée's quick thinking, CPR and recovery possession I would not have survived. I sometimes think back to this and wonder whether the Hill and Hill thing could have been a stresser that brought the seizure on, but it is impossible to know. Maybe a little. It feels good to blame them ;)

At the same time though there have been all the good things, big and small. The engagement became a marriage, and there was one little boy that sprang from that 3 years ago.

I drifted away from the Chrons for a while, but came back and have stayed here ever since, although more in the writers section this time.

Some of the people here are those that helped me so much through this thread, others are new - or those I did not interact with before, but there is still the friendly feeling that has always been prevalent throughout the forums, which is one of the things that make the site so special. In the above situation I always got support, and that speaks not only highly for the site, but ALL of the people that are part of it, the people that run it.

One of the negative things that came out of the Hill & Hill fiasco was, despite my resolve I gave up on writing, probably for the first time in my life. I might have jotted a few words here and there, but nothing really.

Perhaps I needed the break from writing. But when I took an interest in the 75 Word Competition, it rekindled something inside, and that combined with initial support from many members (Doz needs a special mention) and a kick up the bum from Mouse I was suddenly writing again. Maybe not a novel, but short stories, and I've actually submitted two (one acceptance one not so unexpected rejection), and I've sent an old manuscript off to an old friend who has just begun (quite successfully) editing. I've a bunch of shorts that need editing, and hopefully a few more will be ready for submission soon.

And most of this is due to the support of the site and the people on it. It says a lot that when I have news I want to sharer, good or bad I think of people on this site, and sharing it here is nearly as important as sharing with my physical friends. (Not that anyone here is not real or physical).

The people here are special, supportive and worth their weight in gold. Even the ones I don't always agree with over a certain TV show...

It has given me people I am honoured to consider friends, great advice, help and that indisputable sense of fun. I have met and consider the oft missing IceFyre a most excellent fellow and one I am honoured to consider a friend; a few others who I hope to meet one day (soonish) and a new member who I already knew and will be seeing this weekend apparently.

In summation bad things do happen, but good things can come from them. Even if it takes a little time.
 
Hey PM what a great story. You've even got a hairy arsed geordie tiery eyed.

The only thing that matters in life is family and friends.

Be happy, you've got the full set and I'm sure successful writing is just around the corner, but if not it doesn't really matter if you haven't.

If you can pay your bills and put food on the table your rich beyond your wildest dreams - believe me!

Good luck, and lots of geordie love from GC:)

PS Kisses are optional:eek:
 
Hear, hear Gary.

Thanks for the kind words, very much appreciated.

As I recall Geordie kisses are very manly, but not quite as in your face as those from Glasgow..
 
Quite manly, but i promise to shave me tash off and no tongues - uuugh!:)
 
That's a better offer than the last Geordie I kissed: she refused to shave.
 

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