Suicide - Always read the first post please

[scalem X]

yeah, what comes comes. If you die it might hurt, but you won't have to live with the pain anymore. It's something strange. It is going to happen once and if it is inevitable, why fear it when it comes. Dodge it when you can, but don't go through your life being frustrated about it.

 

[Talysia]

For me, life is too precious. I can see why some may feel the need to, and under different circumstances, maybe my viewpoint would change, but I think that life is too important.

 

[Interference]

I'm not important enough to stay alive. By continuing to live, I daily reinforce my selfishness and brutality.

I consume resources that better, finer people have no access to while I'm still around. I promote the deaths of animals because I eat meat; and the poverty of farmers because their livelihood has been stolen by corporations with more money and fewer morals. I have hatred in my heart for people who believe passionately but contrary to me.

I love outside my station and have stolen women from men who need love more than I. I distract God from His works by asking him, incessantly, repetitively to help me find a good excuse for being late to work. I draw a healthy wage for avoiding labour.

My children will be drug addicts, thieves, murderers if I allow myself to have them. I will ignore them or abuse them and drive them to such despair that they will ignore and abuse their own offspring.

I have killed people. I have smoked in their presence and bought them drinks. I have laughed behind their backs at their pain and to their faces at their innocence and I have dispirited them.

My life is worthless and unnecessary. If I had courage I would change it. If I had honour I would end it. Let others more worthy than I breathe my oxygen and tread my path. Let others more dedicated provide the services I avoid. Let others unknown be the happier for never knowing me.

Let me die so you may have peace.

I am human and I deserve nothing as spectacularly special as life.

 

[areader]

The one thing that sticks with me is this engaged couple having a fight about the wedding at the rehearsal. He took his car and went off at high speed to vent out the anger...hit a pole and died. A teen, so young.

This is why I think its sad...such a loss....there are great moments worth living for... even when things are bad. But I'm a fluffy cloud optimist.

 

[scalem X]

@interference: pretty emo, that is.

 

[tangaloomababe]

I am a strong advocate for Life. It is special and nothing annoys me more than people who abuse the life they have with drugs and wastefulness.

Yet despite this I can see why people chose to end their lives. Is there a case for suicide, you know I think there might be but I am thinking along the lines more of euthanasia, when life has become to hard or to painful or your going to die anyway in great pain, why not take that way out.

My father did. He was 73, he has emphasemia, could barely breathe and this was a man who has lived a busy active life, ok he made one big mistake, he smoked. Its what brought him to where he was and the point of being able to do nothing for himself, the prospect of living in a nursing home was to much, so he took pills out.
This is not something I speak of often but when I do think about it, I can understand his reasons.

However suicide because your in a family dispute and take your own life, is a cop out. It shows a weakness in character, no value of life.
LIfe is beautiful and to be enjoyed and savoured, when your dead your dead and there is no coming back from it.

 

[timelord4]

Interference: Loved it

areader: Could have been worse. It could have been a funeral the couple were attending

I think there are various degrees of wanting to suicide and a whole heap of contributing factors. Kids in Japan do it wholesale after exam results come out. It used to be a lovers scorned thing but that's gravitated to a murder thing. (Why kill myself when I can kill the bitch/bloke!) Ten million muslims kill themselves when they find out there is no God. Fifty million christians get arrested for drunkedness at party. (meaning, they can now eat meat on fridays) Believe that?

I suppose it's a hard thing to do, waste your life heedlessly. Never tried it so I wouldn't know. But I imagine the driving force behind wanting to suicide has to be an extreme circumstance, like tanga's dad. It's hard to make comment because no one's ever come back to contradict or sanction.

 

[Addy]

I get depressed every now and then, but I never thought of suicide. What I get is actually more anguish than depression. I'm not a religious person, but I was brought up under the belief that all souls are created or born unevolved, and you can only reach the ultimate pinnacle or perfection by reicarnating as many times as you have to. According to this doctrine of thought, suicide is not only a cop out, but it also puts you in much deeper trouble. Anyone ever seen that movie with Robin Williams where he dies, and his wife later commits suicide? That movie's heavily influenced by this theory. It's like signing a contract, and quitting the job before the end product is delivered. You can do it if you want to, as long as you're willing to suffer the consequences. I believe that most people have committed suicide one time or another in past lives, as well as murder and all kinds of horrible stuff. Further lives are a means of atonement also. Anyway, sorry to be caught rambling about religion, it's just that I can't possibly discuss this topic without going that route.

 

[Connavar]

I have never thought about suicide simply cause i think life is a great gift from God. It would be stupid to even think it about to me.

My mom told me as a muslim suicide is a big sin as killing someone. Heh i never asked and knew cause suicide is like fantasy to me something you see in movies only. I dont think good things about people that kill themselves. They are very selfish for many reasons.

 

[Carpe Diem]

I disagree. I can understand people wanting to commit suicide if, for example, someone they love dies. I have contemplated it, but never seriously thought about doing it, even when my brother died I convinced myself he would have wanted me to live; besides he was such a saintly person that he would have gone to heaven; my faith tells me that to kill yourself means a oneway ticket to hell, so that would have been a bit pointless as the idea was being with him again. But i understand what it feels like.
What i dont get, however, is when some goddamned emos start slitting their wrists or hanging themselves for NO reason (e.g. they distance themselves from their parents then complain that their life is a misery because their parents don't understand them / or because they think its cool to do so.), or even making suicide pacts with each other! THAT is just stupid in my opinion.
The other reason why I think people might commit suicide is to know EXACTLY what happens after death; which would get you nowhere if what was to come was, say, Valhalla and you had to fight your way in, and in a sense living your entire life is a fight. That's another reason why one should keep their mind open to all possibilities; you never really know unless it's too late.

 

[Moogle]

Let me start off by saying that I have dealt with the darkness of depression in my life and have contemplated suicide before it was the fad that it is now. That being said, I honestly believe that those who wish to commit suicide yet seek out help are exercising one way to get the attention they so crave. Almost everyone that gets talked out of suicide is just another one of those lonely people who thinks they have no one to turn to. You call up a helpline and they boost your self-esteem just enough for you to keep on trucking at that game we call life.

Now in cases of terminal illness, assisted suicides, etc. I can support that. I can also support people who go and actually DO kill themselves because they feel like they have nothing to contribute. Frankly, with the world as over-populated as it is, the less amount of competition for dwindling resources the better.

Does that sound cruel or cold-hearted? Probably, but if you aren't going to play the game of life, then pass along those dice to the rest of us and turn away from the game board.

 

[Carpe Diem]

I have to agree with you there; it's not cold-hearted as such, over competitive maybe, but true

 

[pie'oh'pah]

I might have contemplated suicide in my darker moments in the past once or twice. If I'm honest it was because I saw it as tragic and a bit romantic (NOT). But now here's where I probably get boring. Once you place another little human on the planet and he (or she) looks to you for EVERY need then suicide just isn't an option anymore. Whether you like it or not it's no longer a weapon in your arsenal. The thought of that small animal having to cope without your protection is more terrifying than anything life can throw at you. There you go - 2 cents!

 

[Connavar]

I can also support people who go and actually DO kill themselves because they feel like they have nothing to contribute. Frankly, with the world as over-populated as it is, the less amount of competition for dwindling resources the better.

Hugely dissagree cause you talk about life is something small and not that big of a deal.

"they feel like they have nothing to contribute"..... what is this some sort of crazy world you arent worth living in unless you contribute like its some sort competition to live in this world....



Dont think suicide is a way to deal with over population....

 

[Moogle]

Well life right, it's one big game, say a sporting event.

We're all on the same team most of the time and those who aren't going to help can sit on the bench and still cheer on the rest of the team. That is a form of contribution, but when you go and quit the team, that's like suicide. You're basically saying you can't support life. Hence the bit about not eing a contributer.

 

[Carpe Diem]

It does depend on what you mean by contributing. For instance, I have never done volentary work, i will never do volentary work (apart for an animal charity), i support no charities (apart from animal charities), i loathe the human race as one whole thing (although not individual people), and I NEVER EVER take one for the team. Some people i know say that that makes me pointless because i'm not helping my fellow man and dont have a contribution. Others say that i help those who need it most now that humanity has expanded so much that it thinks it can get away with anything.
So before you start arguing over the fact that people kill themselves because they feel worthless (i.e. that means there may be more in it than just thinking, theres nothing i can ever achieve), you really have to clear up what you mean by contribution, as the way i see it, Moogle thinks its helping the human race, while i think its being an all round nice person who doesnt get carried away by trying to be saintly, and i'm sure that many other people have many other definitions of making a contribution. So please, drop this contribution thing because there are so many ways one can take it that its pointless trying to impose your view on everyone else who reads this forum. Focus more on deeper reasons rather than just sticking to this barren point.

 

[Moogle]

Well I can see that I really do need to clarify here.

Let me put it quite simply then, everyone defines their own contribution. I don't do charity work, I don't help out my fellow man, and I don't really care about the environment as a whole. Yet I contribute by making the lives of the people around me better or more interesting when I can.

What I mean essentially is that you can define what your own contribution is, the same was a suicidal person will define their own contribution.

 

[Carpe Diem]

True, and i do practicallly the same thing, however the suicidal person may be so deep in depression that they think that whatever contribution they make will not be worthwhile as they think it will not make such a big impact.

 

[Allegra]

I have complex feelings reading this thread and I admire you guys' courage to speak out and analyse it. Personally I've never had the thought of killing myself because there are things in life I find very interesting and enjoyable also I never sufferred from a serious depression. Moreover despite of the problems with the world and in life, I want to see how it goes and what will happen tomorrow. However, I think I understand people who can't cope and just wish to end it once for all. I don't know if one day I find my life has no point to go on, I'd be brave enough to end it by myself.