Immortality, who wants to live forever?

Urien

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Let's say in the near future science comes up with a simple method to ensure immortality in humans; barring disease and accident we could live forever.

What would the implications be, would you want to be immortal, could you stand it, how might life on Earth change?

Would you ever do anything dangerous again?

This might actually be possible in our lifetimes, especially true for the younger ones out there. Here's an interesting site for those interested.

Immortality Institute ~ For Infinite Lifespans
 
Interesting, So let's say I have a little green pill. Once you take it you're locked, no more aging. You wouldn't take it?
 
Man, I wouldn't want to live forever. Without death, can you imagine how stale life would become? All of human history would lock up forever; there would be no need for ambition, there would be no need for reflection, and life would eventually degenerate to the point where each new day merely becomes an exercise in finding *some* new sensation.

Also, even if one could stop cellular mutations, or if science could somehow turn off our cells' kill switches (or whatever else actually causes aging), could we really stop the process of psychological decay? After three hundred years had passed, would we actually remember what had happened throughout the first hundred years, or would each so many years simply replace previous years (in other words, do we truly have unlimited storage space in our long-term memory, or is there a limit)?

Seems like there are too many questions and what-if's associated with biological immortality - give me a sweet, happy death, and a healthy dose of hope, and I'll be happy.
 
hmm. sometimes I'm tired of this life; sometimes I'm afraid of dying. I think it's one of those things like money--too much can sometimes be a bad thing, more burden than not.

I wouldn't take the pill unless we had someplace, like another planet, for our excess population to go to, though. We have too many people already without making room for more!
 
Are you all kidding? I'd gobble those pills down faster than a duck on a junebug! Even just hiking through the woods everyday is a miracle if you only open your eyes to the wonders that abound. I don't see how living would ever become tiresome. It would be awesome to watch my children grow old and watch their children marry and so on. It would never bore me. I love life, I want to live forever! Am I vain, shallow, selfish...yes! but I also have a few good qualities, so hopefully it balances out. I suppose I am setting myself up for some real dissapointment, but hey isn't that part of life as well? True, there's only one thing we all have to do on this planet, but we dont have to be happy about it.
 
It would be awesome to watch my children grow old and watch their children marry and so on

But if this was a generally available pill, then presumably they'd use it and not grow old either. How long before population pressure makes the earth incapable of sustaining life, with no woods left to walk through? Or would the pill only be available for....certain people? Who would control its distribution? Would there be a black market in immortality? We would divide into Longlifers and Ephemerals, and for a probable outcome of that, just read Methusalah's Children by Heinlein.
No thanks.
 
Unfortunately, I am an eternal optimist. I always believe there is a chance and that things will get better. What that means is that I have no specific fear of death. I am afraid of things that can kill me but I always believe I will survive. As far as I can tell I will live forever. As a matter of fact, that is one of my goals. I have too many books to read and I'll be damned if people just won't stop writing more.
 
immortality has always been a part of my deepest MarySue fantasies. It would be okay as long as everyone wasn't immortal. And as long as I didn't have people wanting to chop my head off.
 
Yes, of course "the pill" would open a Pandora's Box of problems; some we could easily forsee such as overpopulation, etc., and many others we would never imagine. We have all studied history and we know that civilizations come and go. There is no guarantee that humanity will survive eternally and there is no way to stop scientific progress. We are already grappling with those very problems now. The average lifespan in the West is something like 80, while just 50 years ago it was what, maybe 60? Some scientists believe that number will grow to 140 in a few decades, and thats just with medical progress. If you gave me the chance to take "the pill" I would despite the inevitable problems associated with it. Hey, if you change your mind after 150 yrs or so there's allways another "pill" to end it all. To each his/her own, just trying to be honest. I'll pick up that book by Heinlein, its a fascinating topic.
 
Something that was mentioned, but hasn't been discussed much here: Death (or, rather, the awareness of it on an unconscious level) is what drives human beings in their ambitions, to strive, and overcome. Without that fear, the danger of stagnation for the majority would greatly increase, and for those who are highly sensitive, it would tend to become completely unbearable. And Pointfinder, I think you haven't really thought this out. Immortality? Yes, you could have those experiences and enjoy them for a long time, perhaps even centuries. But true immortality would soon leech things of their savor. The very fact that things are ephemeral is what makes them so precious. If they are endlessly repeatable, they lose that quality -- just look at any behavior that is that way, and how human beings tend to react over a long course of time with that behavior: They keep trying to make it more exciting.

And, if only some people were taking the pill, then they would watch those they are around wither and die. Now, someone who is totally self-absorbed, and lacks empathy (we're talking near sociopathic level, here) might not be affected by this. But most would either become calloused, or those losses would begin to hurt far too much for you to ever care for someone again for fear of going through that inevitable loss again, and again, and again.... Either way, the emotional connection to other people would almost unavoidably be damaged, permanently.

And, for those who love live, it would be even worse, as most would begin to find themselves more and more afraid of taking chances, and perhaps encountering fatal accidents or the malice of others, etc., the longer they live the more they'd be likely to become encysted as that life became more precious than the adventures they would experience by becoming involved, at the risk of losing that life. (Or having it damaged -- immortality as a paraplegic? Perhaps irreparably, no matter what medicine achieves? There are likely to be such, at very least for a long time to come. How long would you be willing to be in that position? Or totally paralyzed, not even able to speak? Would you be willing to risk this by going out on these hikes, or rock climbing, or even driving in the increasing rush-hour-traffic?)

And the population problem: As it increases, so will crime due to displacement -- heck, that's going to become worse and worse anyway, as automation makes more and more jobs obsolete without us getting our heads out of our butts to make use of the human potential of human beings! Imagine what it will be like as the population becomes so massive that our resources are depleted within a quarter century! (As I've mentioned elsewhere, just in the 30 years since I've graduated, the world's population has close to doubled. In the last century, it's close to tripled, if not more than, and this in a century where we've managed to kill ourselves off in greater numbers than perhaps any time in history. Mass enforced sterilization, anyone?)

Even longevity presents us with these problems: As our lifespan has increased, so has our unwillingness to take risks, overall. People want things safer. (Yes, there are the danger sports and such, but the number who engage in those is incredibly minute, compared to the everyday risks that we used to face without giving them a second thought.) Heck, they won't even let their kids play on playgrounds without special padding or turfing anymore in many places! And fewer and fewer places will you see people letting their kids get into the (quite normal) scuffles that children have always engaged in as part of their socializing process. Not fun, but one does learn valuable lessons from it for dealing with other people throughout life. Without those experiences, people are less and less able to cope with others. Can you imagine how less likely people will be to risk their children having any injuries in such a scenario as immortality, especially if only a very few are allowed to have children -- say, to match the number of people who die through serious disease or accident within each year?

And as for getting us out into space -- if we're less willing to take risks here, what on earth is going to goad people out into the most dangerous environment of all, where there is no room for error? Population pressure? More likely we'd start enforced euthenasia before we'd risk that. Fear is an incredibly powerful force, especially when people don't acknowledge what it is they're afraid of. The monster is always more frightening when you don't allow yourself to see it, you know. Eventually, we might start such a drive ... but once it gets going, you'd have different camps: those who feel that this is unnatural and against God's plan and who resist it; those who want to go out there and colonize and are actually willing to take the risk, but aren't fit (for whatever physical or mental reason) to go, those who are but are afraid to go, those who can go and are willing, but will be severing ties with all they know and so pull back for that reason... and the few remaining who are both fit and willing and able to make that final emotional adjustment that they will be leaving Earth forever, along with everyone and everything they've known and loved, to never encounter either again (one hell of an emotional readjustment to make!). And those who are found wanting are quite likely to fight the whole thing viciously, including with riots and bloodshed.

No, thank you. Death is our goad to actually grow as a species, as well as individuals. There may indeed be the extremely rare individual for whom immortality would be a blessing ... but I'd venture to say that they are considerably less than one in a hundred million. For the rest, it would rapidly become a living hell.

Personally, I would like a bit more longevity (I think), in order to see a few things come to fruition, to learn more, and read more, to see places I've always wanted to see but not been able to. But immortality, no. That's a fate that makes the Mariner's albatross seem a puny punishment indeed.
 
No thanks.If immortality was available to all, life would go stale.If you were the only one, how long could you carry on watching loved ones die?You'd grow lonely and bitter, stop making friends.Death I may fear but ultimately I welcome it.
 
If everyone was immortal, people probably would get terribly tired of life. They would have all the time in the world, so they would do everything they always wanted, try every foreign food, go to every foreign country, read every book, and then they would have no new experiences to get. Life would get boring, and they would not even be able to die. That would be real hell.
 
Exploring the galaxies would be good, and immortality would provide the time to do so. How about giving the immortality pill only to those who set out on such a journey?
I agree though that earthbound immortality would not be a good thing.
 
'I'm not afraid of dying. Why should I be afraid? There's no reason for it. You've got to go sometime."

I'll bet 90% of you have heard this quote, but if somebody can name the source, I'll be very impressed.

As to death, I want something dramatic, probably gravity-related, maybe fiery. Real front-page stuff.

Skydiving Centenarian Brings Rush Hour To Standstill.
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Oh yeah.
 
Hehe. :D

Hmm...No, I don't think I'd be interested in immortality. There's only so much to see in this life. And even if things do constantly change it will ultimately get tiresome.

I'm still at a point in my life when I consider myself immortal, in the sense that I don't consider the possibility of something happening to me, I believe I'll have a long and happy life and won't die until I'm very old (which I hope will happen!), which at this age seems like an eternity away.

I think I'd like a bit more longevity. Maybe be able to live for a couple of centuries. Have time to do pretty much everything I want before I go. I don't fear death (although I certainly don't want it to come anytime soon and I definitely don't want it to be painful!) and I don't believe that there's anything 'waiting for me' after death. And I'm not scared of this, I happily accept that this is our one chance and after that is just nothing. (If there is something, I'll be momentarily surprised, but I think I'll be able to get used to it quite quickly!)

I'd prefer to gain immortality the other way, as in doing something so momentous in the time I've got that will cause people to remember me for centuries to come. Preferably through writing, but hey, if I discover a cure for the common cold or something like that, I don't mind receiving eternal acknowledgement for it!
 
What age would you be if you lived forever, if i took the little green pill as such, would I be 13 forever?
Some parts of it would be very good. Others not!
The problem is we would all die in 4 and a half billion years anyway unless we work out how to travel around different solar systems to different planets where we could actually live.
 
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I'm surprised so many would choose death. The little green pill would mean you would cease aging from your adult state. So around early twenties when one is full grown. If you were seventy you would stay seventy.

I wonder though if truly faced with the little green pill people would not take it. The hypothetical faced with the real.

But yes overcrowding and risk perception would be huge problems. But on the upside each individual would eventually have a vast reservoir of skill and knowledge, long term projects lastin say fifty years would no longer be unusual. We would have the chance for some grand engineering projects.
 
I'm happy to settle for the old fashioned kind of living forever: spiritual eternal life. For all of the reasons listed above living forever on this old planet just would not make it.

But I'm surprised by the response to this post. Why are we struggling so hard to add a few months/years on a person's life that will most likely be highly expensive and highly painful if there is not a large share of us who want to "live forever?"
 

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