Pate, Gregor & Loras....alive or dead? (lol..or undead?)

[Centurion]

Pate's quite obviously dead, but the Faceless man whose impersonating him deserves a mention....whats he up to?
Must he be there for an assasination? If yes, why'd he need that key?

Gregor..i remember Qyburn buggin' Cersei about the decorations on the box his head was supposed to be presented to Doran Martell in, but is he truly dead? I remember Qyburn saying something about having a unkillable warrior to Cersei when she was held captive.

And Loras...whatever became of him?
He almost burned to death, lost his looks, but i dont think he died...

 

[Young stormlord]

Gregor is alive. At least most of him Kiburn says something like this "Blood magic is darkest type of sorcery. Some say the most powerfull too." He was using blood from papeters,Fallisa etc... to bring him to life.

Faceless Man (Jaqen?) probably needs the key for murder because that is the key that opens "all the Citadel door". Or just wants to get some rare book to read?

It is possible that Loras wasn't in his armor. Has anyone seen him fighting with mace? I'm not sure.

 

[MOUNTAIN THAT READS]

I don't know why but I don't think Loras is all messed up either.

 

[Funky Cthulu]

I don't know why but I don't think Loras is all messed up either.

I've said this before, but I hold out hope for a hideously scarred Loras to emerge bitter and darkened, and become the next Hound-like figure
So, a metaphorical death of his innocence and goodness?
Anyways, I am growing steadily more curious about him.

 

[Culhwch]

I had the thought, too, that Loras wasn't injured, and that the news of such was a ruse. I'd have to reread to have another think about it, though.

 

[Koopa]

Gregor is alive. At least most of him Kiburn says something like this "Blood magic is darkest type of sorcery. Some say the most powerfull too." He was using blood from papeters,Fallisa etc... to bring him to life.

Faceless Man (Jaqen?) probably needs the key for murder because that is the key that opens "all the Citadel door". Or just wants to get some rare book to read?

It is possible that Loras wasn't in his armor. Has anyone seen him fighting with mace? I'm not sure.

Wel actually yes, we see him in the book with it somewhere else as well, i think it is on the training grounds.

I dont think he will die, otherwise he would not have worded it so.

 

[TK-421]

What? Replace the Hound with Loras! Oy Vei!

Loras will find solace and refuge with the Sparrows and will raly to Dany's side as will House Tyrell, the last house along with the Martells to bend the knee to King Robert.

 

[PenDragon]

Talking of the Hound, I don't think he is dead.

Last time we saw him, Arry left him lying under a tree, feverish with a leg wound that you'd think would kill him.

The head priest at the small monastry/sancturay type place near Saltpeter who was a 'great healer' said he found the hound dead and buried him, leaving his helm on the grave which he regreted when Rorge started wearing it.

However, and here's where I get suspious ... first the war horse, no one could hadndle it except the hound, yet there it is in the stables ... second and more revealing, as Brienne is walking through the sanctuary grounds, there's a brief description of large brother digging a grave. This large brother also happens to have a limp.

My theory is the head of the sanctuary, found the hound, healed him and brought him back, and (for now at least) the Hound who had wanted to die, wanted Arry to finish him, has come to terrms with life by becoming a brother of the seven.

Just a theory.

 

[Young stormlord]

Talking of the Hound, I don't think he is dead.

Last time we saw him, Arry left him lying under a tree, feverish with a leg wound that you'd think would kill him.

The head priest at the small monastry/sancturay type place near Saltpeter who was a 'great healer' said he found the hound dead and buried him, leaving his helm on the grave which he regreted when Rorge started wearing it.

However, and here's where I get suspious ... first the war horse, no one could hadndle it except the hound, yet there it is in the stables ... second and more revealing, as Brienne is walking through the sanctuary grounds, there's a brief description of large brother digging a grave. This large brother also happens to have a limp.

My theory is the head of the sanctuary, found the hound, healed him and brought him back, and (for now at least) the Hound who had wanted to die, wanted Arry to finish him, has come to terrms with life by becoming a brother of the seven.

Just a theory.

He wanted to die because Martell killed his reason to life (The Hound wanted to personaly kill Gregor). But if Gregor is alive there is no reason for Sandor to become brother of the seven. He will hunt Gregor to hell and back.

 

[MOUNTAIN THAT READS]

Gregor........undead
Hound........ alive (pious of now, he WILL kill undead Gregor)
Pate.......... Jac'quen (sp)
Loras......... alive and pretty (he could never replace the Hound)

We have a tragic burned anti hero. Loras will be something else before its all over.

 

[Centurion]

Best news i've heard so far!
The Hound alive!

 

[Koopa]

well, yes that theory is rather old

 

[Funky Cthulu]

Gregor........undead
Hound........ alive (pious of now, he WILL kill undead Gregor)
Pate.......... Jac'quen (sp)
Loras......... alive and pretty (he could never replace the Hound)

We have a tragic burned anti hero. Loras will be something else before its all over.

NOOOOO! Just give him time! *puts fingers in ears and starts chanting* Loras for Hound! Loras for Hound!

 

[Centurion]

I had an inkling the Hound might not be dead...but i never realised proof was right there under my nose!

 

[TK-421]

Check out:

http://www.chronicles-network.com/forum/8549-the-hound-spoilers.html

 

[devilsgrin]

i rather have a suspicion that Loras isn't injured either... i honestly think the Tyrells regretted making him a Kingsguard and wanted their brightest star back. And substituting him with another warrior of similar size and appearance wouldn't be too difficult if they expected him to be injured early in the fighting

 

[Funky Cthulu]

i rather have a suspicion that Loras isn't injured either... i honestly think the Tyrells regretted making him a Kingsguard and wanted their brightest star back. And substituting him with another warrior of similar size and appearance wouldn't be too difficult if they expected him to be injured early in the fighting

That led me to an image of the Tyrells selecting a volunteer - "Who wants to go on a ...um, special mission?", finding one who looked like Loras, then dousing him in wildfire "Just stand still, this won't hurt a bit", setting him alight and passing him off as their son, all the while ensuring the substitute never had the chance to say anything out of place. Maybe by cutting his tongue out.
Ugh. What a horrible image.
The negative side of that argument is that Loras will no longer be around to protect Margaery. But possibly the Tyrells were hoping to use the hideous injuries as an excuse to take M back to their estates (and safety), and thus gradually withdraw from the mess that is Kings Landing, until a definite victor emerged.

 

[PenDragon]

well, yes that theory is rather old

Well I'm sorry. I only finsihed reading the last two books over Crimbo. I'll get me coat.

 

[devilsgrin]

'annointed with holy oils of the seven' poor sucker that fell for that...
And now that Margaery is the prisoner of the church they'd want their other daughter back home

 

[Young stormlord]

That led me to an image of the Tyrells selecting a volunteer - "Who wants to go on a ...um, special mission?", finding one who looked like Loras, then dousing him in wildfire "Just stand still, this won't hurt a bit", setting him alight and passing him off as their son, all the while ensuring the substitute never had the chance to say anything out of place. Maybe by cutting his tongue out.
Ugh. What a horrible image.
The negative side of that argument is that Loras will no longer be around to protect Margaery. But possibly the Tyrells were hoping to use the hideous injuries as an excuse to take M back to their estates (and safety), and thus gradually withdraw from the mess that is Kings Landing, until a definite victor emerged.

Perhaps they wanted to force Cersei to act. Blindman would see that Cersei doesn't like Margaery and only person who can defend queens honor is the one from Kingsguard.