Harry Potter sucks

KiwiBird said:
Why dont the mods close it right now, its rather pointless this thread, his sole argument is that he thinks its cr-ap and that its cliché. Big Whoop

I dont get why he ever bothered
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Don't tend to close 'em unless there's reason. And as for the rest... have you taken a look at the Goodkind threads around here? Oh, my goodness....:eek:
 
well i think the goodkind thing is valid. mostly cos i said most of the horrible stuff! :p

i don't understand tho, who is the original poster? cos some peole seem to know him, know his work, and frankly i have NO idea! :)

but yeah, he could have inspired this conversation better to debate whether jk rowling is worth the hype or not *shrug*
 
Newsflash! Oxford have taken the word "modesty" out of the 2007 edition of their dictionary, claiming that in this day and age the word has been rendered obselete.

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Everyone's entitled to their own views, just as Mr. Eng is entitled to his own.
 
The worst part isn't the fact that his writing is poor, it's the fact that he considers himself a god of writing for being the youngest SciFi author. He even says it somewhere, but I can't find the link.

Listen, your craft will never improve if you are too arrogant to take criticism, or if you consider everyone beneath you. Yes, maybe you were one of the brightest in college, maybe you understand things that a lot of adults can't fathom, but that doesn't make you a god of sorts; that just make you cocky, and you'll never improve that way. Just drop the attitude, if you're really Ken, and be humble.

And I do agree that Harry Potter has dropped in quality, but the way you stated it makes you sound tad immature. With all this said, I'll shut up now, and welcome you to the forums, and hope you do improve as a writer. Good luck, Mr. Eng; I hope I didn't scare you off.
 
OK, everybody, I think it's time for us all to reflect on the meaning of the word "civility."

We don't have to agree with each other, we don't have to like each other, but let us at least respect these forums enough to play by the rules. One of those rules is courtesy to other members, and that does not include mocking them or making personal attacks.
 
Maybe you should warn Mr Eng about his un-civil posting too?
Dennagon2 said:
I don't know about you guys, but harry potter is more like harry pothead.
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Right, let's discuss this from a proper stand-point, as instructed.

I'm interested in your reasons behind this first comment, Kenneth. Where in the books does the main character use pot?



I'm not claiming it's the most original stuff out there. But why not go and start a similar topic about, say... David Eddings? Maybe you should go on a one-man crusade against crap books. It might take you a while though, unfortunately:(

The good thing about Harry Potter, in my opinion, and it's something I've heard from many other people too, is that it's got a lot more people actually reading books. This can surely only be a good thing?
Sure, it's not breaking new territory, and it's hardly the most complicated storyline in the world, but thats not what everyone is looking for. Personally, I don't think I would put any of the Potter books even in my top 50 (except maybe book 5, which showed much higher-quality writing than any of the others, and even managed a certain degree of character development, although a worse plot). On the other hand, it's a pretty solid story, there are no glaring internal inconsistancies of the sort that are so common within multi-book series like these, which shows that Rowling has at least thought out her plot very well in advance. She's not trying to write the world's most complicated story - but it's a fun yarn, and a nice break from the high-brow epic stuff that seems to be dominating the fantasy genre at the moment. Also bear in mind that it's kid's book. It's not aimed at adults, so it's hardly fair to look at it the same way...
 
I think it's a little strange to start a topic in the JK Rowling author forum about how much you dislike her as an author :)

That said, I love Harry Potter. I don't care if it's not great, epic fantasy. I don't care if people find it cliched. I am one of those people who reads mystery novels and never really feels any inclination towards trying to find out "whodunnit." I am perfectly willing for the author to reveal that to me. That probably means that I don't read at a very deep level ;-) But that's fine by me.

I read Harry Potter because I find the story interesting, I find the dialogue witty and fun, and the characters easy to cheer for. Also, having read some other children's/young adult fantasy recently, I think JK Rowling does an excellent job of building her wizarding world. She explains very well how wizards fit into our society and how they have one of their own. Some other authors seem to slide over that bit, so that you're kind of left wondering what all the "normal" people are doing while these wizarding wars go on. Rowling really has the entire background set, I think, and knows the facts of her world well. I love it when authors hint at a great encyclopedic knowledge of the world they've created, and then don't tell the readers *quite* everything that has gone on.
 
ah, thanks for links guys. :)

and totally. tho i dislike potter myself, tho i think there are other works far better than it, in writing, in plot, in everything, rowling did get kids to read. even if potter is the ONLY thing they ever read, they read it. they were excited about it. they were passionate about books. and i think that's a pretty impressive thing. so she's a bit arogant herself, by all accounts, and for that reason alone i'd not touch her books with a barge pole (there are other reasons too, but arrogance puts me off. this is just my opinion, of course) it's still great what she's done for kids :)
 
Faery Queen: Just for clarification's sake -- I wasn't defending Goodkind (who seriously annoys me, to say the least); I was simply issuing a response to KiwiBird's statement about closing the thread. While I quite agree that the original post was couched in immature terms, I've seen considerably harsher things said in threads about Goodkind and his work, so that's not necessarily a reason for closing a thread -- it's an opinion stated, whether honest or no, whether to engender conversation/debate or simply to vent their distaste for a writer. That's really all that was about.

As for the subject of the thread itself: I worked in a specialty sff/mystery book shop, and can vouch for the fact that here, at least, kids (and adults) reading Harry Potter led to reading of a considerable variety of other things, from YA books such as Garner's The Weirdstone of Brisingamen and The Moon of Gomrath, or Le Guin's Earthsea books or Norton's Witch World series, to various classics, mythology, and so on... even, sometimes, to the Golden Age works in sf. They got them to (often for the first time) find how enjoyable reading could be, and they branched out from those books into so many others. I despise Rowling's arrogance, I've not read the books as they are a very low priority on my TBR list (which anyone who has read my posts on the subject can tell you is large enough I'm not likely to get through it in my lifetime) ... but I give her and the books deserved kudos for getting more people reading, and finding the joy in the world of books. Even the devil should be given their due, you know....;)
 
i wasn't saying you were defending goodkind :) just that i'd probably said most of the harsh stuff! :)
 
Proves one thing - you can't bull***t Chrons members!:p
 
Well, it didn't work anyway... I'm sure as hell not gonna be reading any of his books :rolleyes:

edit: Might take a look at "Darc Ages" though :D
 
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