Jon Snow's true parentage...

[Culhwch]

It's okay, digs, you needn't feel shame, no Bothans actually died for Edd to write that post. You see, Bothans don't really exist.

 

[digs]

Never say that.

 

[Gry Wnd]

There are a lot of summations of sample chapters from ADWD (SPOILERS) that were read by GRRM at various events here (JON 3 is best BTW)
A Dance with Dragons - A Song of Ice and Fire

And the Davos one (Again spoilers)- has some specific stuff about NED fathering a *******. here Davos 1 - Spoilers for ADWD - A Song of Ice and Fire

Interesting stuff possibly trumping R+L=J;has this been discussed?

Hello, any thoughts?... I think there will be a parallel between John's parentage and the little baby switch he made...

 

[xLORDSNOWx]

What if Cersie pushed Ashara off the cliff, just as Jaimie pushed Bran. However, it would make more sense if she killed Lyanna, as she would have done it for love!

Any traction on this? Not sure if Cersies whereabouts were disclosed during this time.

By the way, as I mentioned before I think Jon and his milk brother Ned were switched at birth.

 

[Boaz]

I am aware that today is the first of April, but every word of my post is true... or as true as I can make them.

GRY WND, o ye master of consonants, I'd really like to comment, but I've quit reading the preview stuff now that GRRM, that other master of consonants, has declared a publication date.

Cersei... As a child, Cersei pushed her friend, Melara Hetherspoon/Weatherspoon, down a well. She commited her first murder, as with all other subsequent crimes, to keep a secret and advance her power.

As for Cersei's location during Robert's Rebellion, she must have been at Casterly Rock. If she'd been anywhere else, she'd have been at risk of being a hostage to secure Tywin's obedience. I cannot picture here with the Daynes because they were known Targaryen loyalists.

I cannot recall Jon and his milk brother, Edric Dayne, being switched at birth. True, they did share the enigmatic and unseen Wylla as wetnurse, but Jon looks like a Stark with his grey eyes and dark brown hair while Edric looks like a Dayne with his white blond hair and his dark blue, almost purple, eyes. Of course it is interesting that Edric's parentage has not been revealed... his uncle? Arthur and his aunt Ashara both died unwed. Yet he bears the name Ed and is called Ned like Eddard Stark, a known romantic interest of Ashara.

Maybe a better explanation for Edric is that since both Arthur and Ashara spent their adult lives at court, their Valyrian appearance and exposure to Targaryen manners led them to revive the Valyrian practice of incest. This might be a positive indication for Ashara's suicide as both her lover and brother died on the same day.

 

[TK-421]

OK. So I reviving this thread as the most recent one on Jon's parentage and I did not think this should go in a general discussion on things we want in the show that are in the book.

In episode 2 of GOT, there was an exchange between Ned and Cat on he going to KL. The words she used were, I believe, deliberately picked.

She said: 'You came back with another woman's son!"

She could of said:
"You came back with a *******"
"You came back with a son you had with another woman"
"You fathered a *******"

No, the focus in that line is: "another woman's son"

So, while Cat only knows what Ned had told her or not told her. Cannot suspect anything else but that Jon was fathered by Ned. GRRM knows otherwise!!

 

[Ursa major]

To be fair, it's the only one of those four sentences that Cat could be certain of being true, i.e. that Jon is a male human** and that Cat didn't give birth to him.

(Although Cat may believe Jon is a ******* and that Ned is Jon's father, these two pieces of data are both sourced from Ned.)






** - Actually, she doesn't really know that Jon isn't some sort of demon....

 

[Lady of Winterfell]

Interesting TK. I didn't notice that while watching, but it seems so obvious now.

 

[Lofwyr]

Not to mention the moment on the Kingsroad when Ned and Jon stop and talk about Jon's mother. That wasn't in the books. The show is making sure that the question of Jon's parentage is not just some minor thing to the viewers.

 

[Mesanna]

Agreed Lofwyr. Every scene in a show like this must contribute something to the overall story, so the fact that they're playing up the mystery is significant. Robert has also mentioned Lyanna several times, to lodge the idea that Ned has a dead sister firmly in everyone's mind.

 

[Quick Ben]

"You came back with another woman's son" - wasn't this line in the book? I am positive it was

The Ned and Jon bit of "you might not have my name but you have my blood" is something I picked up on the trailer. Seemed a bit odd as "you might not have my name but you are my son" would've been more appropriate.

 

[The Imp]

"You came back with another woman's son" - wasn't this line in the book? I am positive it was

The Ned and Jon bit of "you might not have my name but you have my blood" is something I picked up on the trailer. Seemed a bit odd as "you might not have my name but you are my son" would've been more appropriate.

This might be the line you're referring to. I don't think the dlines that were in GOT appeared in the book.

It had taken her a fortnight to marshal her courage, but finally, in bed one night, Catelyn had asked her husband the truth of it, asked him to his face.
That was the only time in all their years that Ned had ever frightened her. "Never ask me about Jon," he said, cold as ice. "He is my blood, and that is all you need to know. And now I will learn where you heard that name, my lady."

 

[Needle]

Yes there it is again, "my blood" not "my son"! That clinques the R+L=J theory for me!

 

[hadd]

If Jon would be a Targaryen it wouldn't make sense that he found Ghost (as well finding the direwolves should be a sign) and that he has such a connection with Ghost...

I do believe Jon's mother's heritage is of importance but the Stark + North connection he has can't just come out from anywhere...There's a reason that and I do believe it's Ned's blood.

Also I've always found the name Wylla funny. Like Ned tried to keep the image of Jon's mother being some random wench by giving a peasant's name to the mother.

If I consider myself to know Martin's patterns a bit though the answer is something none of us have guessed probably

 

[The Imp]

If Jon would be a Targaryen it wouldn't make sense that he found Ghost (as well finding the direwolves should be a sign) and that he has such a connection with Ghost...

I do believe Jon's mother's heritage is of importance but the Stark + North connection he has can't just come out from anywhere...There's a reason that and I do believe it's Ned's blood.

Also I've always found the name Wylla funny. Like Ned tried to keep the image of Jon's mother being some random wench by giving a peasant's name to the mother.

If I consider myself to know Martin's patterns a bit though the answer is something none of us have guessed probably

But you're not considering that Jon got the "best of both worlds", and he's both a Stark AND a Targ. R+L=J

 

[Delran Stark]

The Starks are important to the North. You do not have to be Ned's child to be important. If Jon is Lyanna's son, than he is of Stark blood. He may not have the name, but that doesn't matter, he has the blood, he can warg.

 

[No One]

If Jon would be a Targaryen it wouldn't make sense that he found Ghost (as well finding the direwolves should be a sign) and that he has such a connection with Ghost...

An unbeliever! Catch him!

Surely the fact that Jon has Stark blood merits him a direwolf and said connection? That there's a distinction between Ghost and the other pups could also suggest a unique other bloodline.

 

[The Imp]

An unbeliever! Catch him!

Surely the fact that Jon has Stark blood merits him a direwolf and said connection? That there's a distinction between Ghost and the other pups could also suggest a unique other bloodline.

VERY interesting catch there No One.

 

[Needle]

An unbeliever! Catch him!

Surely the fact that Jon has Stark blood merits him a direwolf and said connection? That there's a distinction between Ghost and the other pups could also suggest a unique other bloodline.

Very good No One, I agree! Plus the white blond hair is a Targ trait, therefore a white wolf!

 

[Quick Ben]

Very good No One, I agree! Plus the white blond hair is a Targ trait, therefore a white wolf!

Took the words out of my mouth.