ADWD Publish Date? (I hope not)

Critical Matt

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I haven't been around the forum in ages, and I do not want to start a flame war, but I found this info on Amazon UK:

Paperback: 704 pages
Publisher: Voyager (7 April 2008)
Language English
ISBN-10: 0002247399
ISBN-13: 978-0002247399

Now, this is the UK release, and I do not know if the US is coming sooner or later.

Here is the link.
 
Amazon pub dates are (as always) a complete stab in the dark. They're no more accurate than you or I having a guess.

Until the book is finished, no-one - not even GRRM - has any sort of reliable idea what the release date might be.
 
It has been noted that no ASoIaF book has ever been published before an Amazon guesstimate. Naturally, that something has always been so does not mean it will always continue to be so ;)
 
Why would you know something like that? Anyways, April 7th is as good a guess as any. But then again he misses out on the X-Mas gift buying season which are very lucrative for authors with new books. Something tells me his publishers may remind him of this fact. He does have 2 houses to upkeep you know...
 
IIRC, George completed AFFC on or around 5 May 2005 and it came out in October in the UK and November in the USA. My guess is that using this as a basis for comparison, Amazon decided that if he went much past the start of May, that would delay the book until Spring 2008 (on the basis that publishers sometimes won't release a book between November and January as it may get somewhat lost in the Christmas blitz). It's possible that if GRRM does complete within the next few weeks, the book could still come out in the UK at least before the end of 2007 (similar situation to ACoK, which came out in the UK in October 1998 and in the USA in February 1999).

But Amazon could be wrong :)
 
The thing is though I thought he said he had the Dance finished when A Feast for Crows was published and he had to seperate them because the book would have been too big??? So if he had most of the story done already, whats he doing to it now?
 
The thing is though I thought he said he had the Dance finished when A Feast for Crows was published and he had to seperate them because the book would have been too big??? So if he had most of the story done already, whats he doing to it now?

The 'pre-split AFFC' (containing all the characters from the published AFFC and ADWD) was not complete by the time GRRM chose to split it. He estimated it still had a fair amount of work to do on it, but was already far too big (bigger than ASoS) to publish in one volume. When the splitting process was complete the material he had left over for ADWD seems to have equated just over 30% of what will be in the final book. George has frequently said 'half' in interviews, probably because it's easier to say, but his earlier statement that he had roughly 500 manuscript pages for a 1400 MS-page book (which will be about 800-850 pages in hardback, not counting appendices) reveals that this was an understandable exaggeration.

So, to start off with GRRM had to write 70% of a new novel from scratch. Then during the writing process he chose to go back and redraft some of the completed chapters. He said on his Notablog that he'd rewritten all of Jon's chapters, and comparisons between the early versions of the first few Dany chapters read out at conventions years ago and the version currently on his website reveal some differences, indicating he's rewritten them as well. More recently he spoke of 'structural changes' to the book to strengthen both the novel and the overall series, although what exactly this involves is unknown. However, in the same blog entry he also indicated that work on the novel is going much more smoothly than before.

If we accept that the UK release alone of ADWD will need a similar editing turn-around time to ASoS (4 months) or AFFC (5 months), the chances of it coming out before the end of 2007 are now quite slim, unless he finishes within the next few weeks. Publishers usually don't release books in December or January because they tend to get lost in the Christmas and New Year sales rushes, meaning that spring 2008 is now the earliest, most likely release date for the book at the moment.

Compared to the wall of silence GRRM presented fans with regarding AFFC until the final year of writing, I think the problems associated with the wait for ADWD (only just now crossing the 20-month line) have been due to GRRM's extremely positive optimism regarding the book, and his plan to release the book 12 months after AFFC, which in retrospect seems extremely ambitious. Perhaps aware of this, GRRM has now resolved not to make any further comment on the book save in the most general terms until it is completed.

If it is any consolation, after A Dance with Dragons is released we should get the new ASoIaF RPG and The World of Ice and Fire within 12-18 months of that, and the ASoIaF TV series and The Winds of Winter* hopefully a further 12-18 months after that.

*Although this is pure guesswork, I think a 3-year turnaround apiece for the two novels to come after ADWD is fairly realistic.
 
Wert, Thank you very much for your research, information, educated guesses, and honesty. Salud!
 
God, I can't wait for this book. In all honesty, April 2008 sounds like a realistic release date considering he still isn't even finished with the book yet.
 
i heard that one of the reason that GRR Martin has been writing these last 2 book so long is that he original plained to jump a bit ahead in the start between bk 3 and 4 but when he start writing he realise that he couldn't do that. it may explain some of the time delays for the last 2 book

but i not sure how true this is as it was as i heard it off a friend
 
i heard that one of the reason that GRR Martin has been writing these last 2 book so long is that he original plained to jump a bit ahead in the start between bk 3 and 4 but when he start writing he realise that he couldn't do that. it may explain some of the time delays for the last 2 book

but i not sure how true this is as it was as i heard it off a friend

That has been mentioned a couple of times, but we appreciate the input. Normally new people get a little time, and a few posts in before they are taunted. Its like a grace period. I am looking at you BOAZ and Florian:). Keep in mind that you haven't really arrived until 1. Boaz taunts you 2. Aegon the Unlikely compliments you on a ridiculously unlikey theory and 3. Raven and Wert tell you that your idea is impossible because you didn't read the books carefully enough. Anyway let me be the first to welcome you to the forum.
 
Dear sycarroll,

MTR put it well... normally, we give newcomers more grace. My apologies. You'll learn that the crew here are pretty good with manners, especially when putting obnoxious posters in their place. I've been reproached and disciplined by the best... you'd think I'd have learned.

I'm a good poster when I'm on my medication, when I'm sober, when it's not that time of the month, and when the Bears aren't losing the Super Bowl. Let's see about today, hmmmm, two out of four ain't bad.

I remember the very first time I decided to check out a GRRM forum. My eyes were nearly seared into my skull when I read R+L=J for the first time. Ahh, the good old days.

Welcome to the Chronicles Network. Keep reading and keep posting. We can always use fresh ideas.
 
I also offer my humble and sincere apologies to Sycarroll, and consider myself rightly chastised. Sometimes I have trouble with impulse control and on that occasion I simply couldn't resist it.

It's the waiting, you see. The endless waiting. The obsessively checking GRRM's NotABlog every day for the few meagre crumbs of comfort it sometimes offers. It...it tells on a man. Quite badly sometimes.

It's difficult sometimes to remember what it was like to be an ASoIF newcomer, and to be ignorant of the various theories and debating points that have been so thoroughly raked over so many times by the old hands. As I move into a more intermediate phase of fanship, I find myself more and more disposed to scoffing at the newcomers, shaking my head and saying "Didn't you even know that?" A natural process perhaps, but not a very pretty one.

So yes, sorry. I'll try to be good. Honest.
 
Whoa there, next you'll be telling us that Ned isn't Jon's real father.
" The sky is falling! The sky is falling!


Now that, that is done I have to say I laughed out loud when I read your above posts!:D And Florian is right about the waiting, I feel like please sir Mr. Martin may I have some more? I almost almost regret ever picking up this series because it has COMPLETELY ruined so many other books, I have tried to read since. Now I read books and go well it was OK, it's not Martin but its OK. It's like having good European beer (I'm in Indiana,USA) then trying to drink Pabst Blue Ribbon. I read books and at the end go pshewsh he didn't kill or maim a single person I cared about. I will finish this rant with "you know nothing Jon Snow" (you all know deep down you missed reading that)
 
Martin is a brilliant author, top of his game but i do think he is hard to compare to other author. his book are so grand, epic and complex scale it one think i like most bout the series but not every author write like this in my experience very little write like this and not all care it off as well as he does
 
Hey! sycarroll came back. We did not scare him off!

As for a comparative author and a comparative book... hmmmm, let me think. Well, there are a number of threads in the GRRM forum that detail this information.

Aegon, you don't know how difficult passing up on these... It's like I'm at the Home Run Derby just watching these fat ones float right by without swinging... it's like Jared passing by In n' Out every day on his way to Subway, he knows even lingering to sniff will get him in trouble.
 
Personally i would rather wait and let GRMM maintain the high standard of writing. There would be nothing worse than if he rushed the book, just because we couldn't wait and we all moan about the result. April 2008 will be here soon enough, don't you worry. I am sure the DNA test proved clearly that Ned was Jon's father.
 

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