Robert E. Howard

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Amazon’s Top 5 Fantasy Bestsellers, November 28, 2009

Saturday, November 28th, 2009 Stephanie Meyer returns to the top spot; fallout from the release of New Moon last weekend. Breaking Dawn pushes A Kiss of Shadows and The Gathering Storm down a slot each. The Best of Robert E. Howard holds strong in the top five, and The Time Traveler’s Wife makes a return to the top five.

  1. Breaking Dawn
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    by Stephanie Meyer
  2. A Kiss of Shadows
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    by Laurell K. Hamilton
  3. The Gathering Storm
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    by Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson
  4. The Best of Robert E. Howard Volume 1: The Shadow Kingdom
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    by Robert E. Howard
  5. The Time Traveler’s Wife
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    by Audrey Niffenegger


Heh REH is interesting enough to new readers he fights along the most hyped fantasy trends at the moment Vampire fantasy, sf romance novel and the longest epic fantasy series.
 
I have finally read the Solomon Kane stories i must say Kane is a great,complex character, a killer, a fanatic,a hero that cares for justice for people he dont know. His stories are more horror stories than S&S which are more naturally to my taste.

I must say i get annoyed at people's political correctness. I think the african stories of Kane is fantastic. People in REH forum,other places say they arent as good as the European ones.
Because there are racist views on blacks that i dont see other than the usual pulp era words,views.

He described the black bad guys in a story like a way you would describe a big black guy in a barbaric setting. Some were described like a leopard,while Kane was a panther etc.
When there was ape like description i didn't see the negative attitude i have seen in other pulp stories towards blacks.
 
Solomon Kane is my favourite REH character, really enjoy the African adventures. Don't think there's anything racist either, there's an anti-slavery story as well strong intelligent black characters like N'Longa.

Connavar are you Libaax over on the REH forum? thought I recognised the avatar :)
 
Solomon Kane is my favourite REH character, really enjoy the African adventures. Don't think there's anything racist either, there's an anti-slavery story as well strong intelligent black characters like N'Longa.

Connavar are you Libaax over on the REH forum? thought I recognised the avatar :)

Ah nice to see someone who feels the same way about Solomon Kane. To me as an African the African Kane stories is extra interesting. To see a great writer write so vividly,fantastically using the continent.

Yes its me Libaax from REH Forum. I was a member here before REH forum.

Who are you there ?
 
While I see flaws in the Kane stories, they are largely those of early writing, not the things others often object to. Even so, many of these are indeed quite powerful stories, and extremely atmospheric; and yes, N'Longa is one of my favorite subsidiary Howard characters....
 
While I see flaws in the Kane stories, they are largely those of early writing, not the things others often object to. Even so, many of these are indeed quite powerful stories, and extremely atmospheric; and yes, N'Longa is one of my favorite subsidiary Howard characters....

Yeah you see some flaws,see they are early in his career. But you forget them 3 pages in the story. Powerful,atmospheric to say the least.

The inner monologues of Kane is so interesting, character wise his finest work. It feels like he has several sides,layers to him other REH S&S heroes dont. Heh the fact he is a prude in no cursing way was funny to me.

N'Longa is a very memorable.

I have read the poems too of Kane, very epic,haunting like The Return of Sir Robert Greenville. Made me decide to read more of his poems.
 
While by no means a major poet, Howard's poetry is often very good indeed; some of his fantastic poetry is intensely haunting, and nearly all of it shows Howard's strengths as a writer... not surprising, given the many poetic passages of prose in his narratives....

A personal favorite is "The Heart of the Sea's Desire"; quite a daring poem for the period....
 
not surprising, given the many poetic passages of prose in his narratives....

Which was the first thing that made me like his stories. I thought he could suddenly write things that read like poetry. Specially since i expected a regular pulp writer with purple writing.

To me who aren't a poetry fan most of poems i have read are slow,rarely get to you before the last line. His haunting,epic ones are a new experience then. Like a singing narrative.

Actually makes me want to read Poe's poetry,the english classic poetry writers etc.
 
Connavar: you may like Tennyson's poems. The Idylls Of The King may be a bit daunting to begin with, but do try The Charge Of The Light Brigade , The Lady Of Shallott and Ulysses. The Kraken may be of interest as possible influence on Lovecraft's The Call Of Cthulhu. Howard's poetry was quite likely influenced by Kipling, another writer whose poetry you may enjoy.
 
I read the Gollancz centenary anthology a while back, great big hulking book bigger & heavier than a cinder block with all the original stories in publication order.
They were damn good and a sight better than what Howard is made out to be.
 
Yep Howard suffered from bad criticism for years, probably because critics thought tales of a wandering barbarian must be simplistic in style, and snubbed because of that. Nothing could be further from the truth, and Conan is way more complex than that. For me it's Howard's writing that works, never a dull moment.
 
Howard (and for that matter some other "pulp writers") never got the credit they were due in their lives. It was and you hit why on the head, they were "pulp" writers and (so called) "reviewers" felt comfortable snubbing and ignoring them without even consideration. Howard has depths that were not spoted in his own time except by a few. The same can be said to some extent of Lovecraft.
 
I get annoyed when I see the term "thud and blunder" used in connection with herioc fantasy in general and REH in particular.
 
Howard (and for that matter some other "pulp writers") never got the credit they were due in their lives. It was and you hit why on the head, they were "pulp" writers and (so called) "reviewers" felt comfortable snubbing and ignoring them without even consideration. Howard has depths that were not spoted in his own time except by a few. The same can be said to some extent of Lovecraft.

To some extent, yes... but not to the same degree, by any means. Even during or shortly after his lifetime, he had his admirers amongst the literati: Professor Thomas Ollive Mabbott, the noted Poe scholar, praised Lovecraft's work on more than one occasion (including giving him credit for being a genuine Poe scholar, as the one who had solved two long-standing riddles in that particular field -- the location of Mount Yaanek and the reading of "The Fall of the House of Usher" which realized that "a brother, his twin sister, and their incredibly ancient house all shar[ed] a single soul and [met] one common dissolution at the same moment"); Stephen VincentBenét too, according to his brother William, held Lovecraft's work in high esteem. Such was not the case with Howard. It was chiefly the harsh critique by Edmund Wilson, the then-dean of American criticism (and, on the whole, rightly so), combined with August Derleth's complete misreading and promulgation of a therefore distorted version of Lovecraft's work, which caused more damage to Lovecraft than anything else. After all, several of his stories had been picked for the O'Brien lists as among the better short stories of their respective years, and several publishing firms had expressed an interest in seeing a novel from his pen.

As for the "(so-called) reviewers" -- well, they were reviewers, not so-called; whether they were good or not is a separate matter; many were, they were just imbued enough in the more classical tradition to find Howard's faults more grating than his virtues were pleasing; and yes, there was a strong resistance to the pulps (often with good reason). But a fair amount of Howard's work came in for criticism even from his fellow pulp writers; Fletcher Pratt, for example, had short shrift for REH, while Pratt's collaborator, L. Sprague de Camp, felt he was one of the shining lights of the weird and adventure pulps.

Part of the problem is that Howard often wrote so much, in such haste, that his writing can get rather sloppy. Poor sentence structure, run-on sentences galore, excessive coloring (even for the type of tale he was telling) tending toward self-parody, and just flat-out klutziness now and again. And he did have a lot of repetition of ideas, motifs, incidents, and even phrasing among his works (how many "killer apes" did Conan go up against, for example? then add in the ones El Borak and his other characters faced, and you begin to see a paucity of creativity in this area... and so on).

And before I have a horde of Howard's true believers descend on my head, please recall that I've been a fan of Howard's work for the better part of 40 years now, and still enjoy it immensely. It is just that I also read his work without the rose-colored glasses many (not all) do, and realize his faults and accept them as part of the writer he was, due to circumstance and personality. With all his faults, Howard did write with a verve and passion which raises a rather large amount of his work far above all those faults put together, and the fantasy and adventure fields would have been much poorer without him.

I get annoyed when I see the term "thud and blunder" used in connection with herioc fantasy in general and REH in particular.

Yes, the term has been overused, but in the case of some writers, it is unfortunately well deserved. There was a tremendous amount of ephemeral trash written in this subgenre, most of it quite deservedly forgotten today. It was simply badly written: clumsy, stereotypical, hackneyed, and without the tiniest scintilla of integrity or attempt at verisimilitude or even proper story -- let alone sentence -- construction. Adelbert Kline was a good example -- a lovely man, and he certainly helped fill the pages of a number of magazines, but the majority of his work is pure dross. At his best, he was like a very badly xeroxed copy of E. R. Burroughs; at his worst, he was frankly unreadable by anyone with any critical sensibilities at all.

Howard was not entirely exempt from this, but it was much less frequent than some have contended. And one should read Howard a little more carefully, as he did sometimes indulge in deliberate parody; as in "The Jewels of Gwahlur"/"The Servants of Bit-Yakin", where, when Conan shows up to the relief of the (chained and) imprisoned Muriella, she "madea spasmodic effort to go into the usual clinch" (i.e., hysterically wrapping herself around her rescuer -- including his sword-arm, one suspects -- thus rather hampering his effectiveness in that role).

And, yes, at his best -- which was not that seldom -- Howard touched emotional depths and complex sets of emotional keys that gave his work genuine power. There is genuine pathos to much of his work; a poetic sense of, as de Camp phrased it, the underlying tragedy of life; and no small amount of beauty and even the numinous at times. Some passages in his prose work is sheer poetry; and much of his verse is remarkably good.
 
Yep Howard suffered from bad criticism for years, probably because critics thought tales of a wandering barbarian must be simplistic in style, and snubbed because of that. Nothing could be further from the truth, and Conan is way more complex than that. For me it's Howard's writing that works, never a dull moment.

I would think it was because the re-writes and 'new' works from de Camp & Carter, and the paperback series other authors wrote.
Provided a very distorted view of what Conan was for decades.
 
I would think it was because the re-writes and 'new' works from de Camp & Carter, and the paperback series other authors wrote.
Provided a very distorted view of what Conan was for decades.

I agree the whole Conan machine of the 60s and 70s probably messed his image for decades to come. It's annoying if you mention you like Conan, and people turn there nose up at you like there's no literary value to the big guy...
 
For all his strengths and faults at least today you read more and more critics that say Conan and co are more than they thought. I have read mainstream critics that are surprised by the emotional depth,the quality of his writing.

The fact he still read and admired today and he is getting mainstream classic rep like few pulp writers is more than enough for me.

J.D

There are some negative pulp issues of his stories that i agree about. The colouring,repetition of ideas. Which must be the negative side to him writing to many magazines,re-writing stories until they sold.

Still he has a great average of quality.
 
I would think it was because the re-writes and 'new' works from de Camp & Carter, and the paperback series other authors wrote.
Provided a very distorted view of what Conan was for decades.
I don't agree with that attall. I think that major source of the negative views of Conan over the last 30 years are due to the Conan films which, while they are not actually as bad as some people would claim, broadly failed to capture the essence of the character portrayed in the stories.
 

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