Top 5 favorite characters?

[Boaz]

Instead she solves her problems by stabbing people, the way God intended .

LOL.

TK, I don't think viz and I think Bran is not important, he obviously is very. But he's about as interesting as jicama. On the salad bar, jicama looks like cheese and I always think, "Mmmmmm, cheeeeeeese!" But then I bite it and it's like an unflavored radish... it's not really anything and that is... annoying.

Prav, I admit much of my posting is speculation and frivolity. When you guys think of me posting, make a mental picture of a caveman pounding rocks together trying to get a spark to land on some kindling... that's a fairly accurate description of me trying to find the real crux of the argument for any given thread.

 

[The Curious Orange]

Boaz, it is clearly stated in the books that Jon is indefinently Eddard's son. You are merely arguing for my sake. Assume the book never mentioned Jon as being Ned's son, the similarities, oppositions, and lineament of physichal traits and character are absurdly similar on Ned's part rather than some predominantly brilliant-haired, and metallic-eyed Targaryen.

Jon is a Stark. He looks like Ned, and shares lots of character traits with Ned. And that is because Lyanna was his mother.

There is wa-a-a-a-a-ay too much evidence in the books for R+L=J. GRRM is either doing some serious foreshadowing or it's an intentional red herring.

But then I thought the same thing about Verin and the Purple Ajah, and that never happened either...

Oh, and I think Bran will die, but in the dying will warg into Hodor's body.

 

[Lubbock]

Jon is a Stark. He looks like Ned, and shares lots of character traits with Ned. And that is because Lyanna was his mother.

There is wa-a-a-a-a-ay too much evidence in the books for R+L=J. GRRM is either doing some serious foreshadowing or it's an intentional red herring.

But then I thought the same thing about Verin and the Purple Ajah, and that never happened either...

Oh, and I think Bran will die, but in the dying will warg into Hodor's body.

hehe nice theory, Poor Hodor

 

[Marvolo]

Jon is Eddards. Robert and Ned talk about Jon's mother in A Game of Thrones. Also we meet Jon's milk brother in ASOS.

 

[Tysha]

Hi Marvolo, it is so nice to see a "L+R=J virgin" you are so cute

My top:
1. Tyrion (obviously)
2. The rest of the characters
No, seriously I love them all. But if I have to write names: Jon, Jaime, Arya, Rhaegar.. oh there are too many of them! I think it's easier to name those who less favorite: Stannis, Pycell, Dontos, Lysa and Ygritte. Still I love to read about them but at the same time I have an incontrollable urge to strangle them :/

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

On the Jon Stark looks like Edd bit....youre gonna have to trust me because I cant quite find the specific source material....

Before the whole thing starts and all the kids are still up in Winterfell Jon remarks (in his own head) that he looks most like Arya of all the children....then Ned later comments (in his own head) that Sansa has her mothers coloring but Arya is "horsey-faced" and mostly resembles his own sister Lyanna as opposed to himself (He also comments that Lyanna grew into a beauty). Of course that points out that Jon looks more like Lyanna as well....but at least we know he has the same general coloring but doesnt really look like Ned.

Viz- You seem to remember Brans chapters differently than I do. Of course the reason I dislike Tyrion is because he's always reminding people he's a dwarf. But still thats quite harsh for an 8 year old

But yes it is nice to see people whove not jumped onto the R+L=J bandwagon. I actually signed up on this website (oh so long ago)to post my incredibly wonderful theory that Jon was not Eddards.....thankfully I did a search for similar ideas while I was typing.

My new favorite character is Ser Garlan Tyrell. Seemingly the only decent person in the whole freaking series that hasnt ended up a corpse. So hes probably next or the grandmaster manipulator that is responsible for everything....the truth is out there.

 

[Boaz]

Egg, I like Garlan the Gallant as well. He did not have to praise Tyrion, but he did. He did not need to be kind to Sansa, but he did. He did not need to chide Joffrey, but he did.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

He's also something of a scholar (remember the book that Joffrey destroyed? It was Garlan that pointed out its rarity.) and it was his idea to dress in Renlys armor to defeat Stannis' host at Kings Landing.....clearly he's a mastermind.

 

[TK-421]

LOL.

TK, I don't think viz and I think Bran is not important, he obviously is very. But he's about as interesting as jicama. On the salad bar, jicama looks like cheese and I always think, "Mmmmmm, cheeeeeeese!" But then I bite it and it's like an unflavored radish... it's not really anything and that is... annoying.

Next think you know, you'll be comparing Stannis to a daikon or Tyrion to pico de galo...I like Bran but he doesn't make my top 5 anyways.

 

[Wiggum]

You would think he would hae just compared Bran to, well, bran.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

bahahahahaha.....Im just imagining the poor chap reading Brans chapter, then making a face at the camera and running to the toilet....

 

[Pravuil]

Jon is a Stark. He looks like Ned, and shares lots of character traits with Ned. And that is because Lyanna was his mother.

There is wa-a-a-a-a-ay too much evidence in the books for R+L=J. GRRM is either doing some serious foreshadowing or it's an intentional red herring.

But then I thought the same thing about Verin and the Purple Ajah, and that never happened either...

Oh, and I think Bran will die, but in the dying will warg into Hodor's body.

Poor, poor Hodor. Always saying the same word in an incessant flux, catering to Bran like a wetnurse, carrying him around like a barracks bag. I sometimes muse over the idea of Bran and Hodor being stuck in a trackless waste, both dehydrated and Hodor fatiguing more and more every second from touting Bran everywhere with him. Do you think neccesity would take over, do you think Hodor would unstrap the wicker basket from his shoulder and let Bran fare for himself? As humble as Hodor seems I am not sure he is so loyal, and we all know the genial giant would run in the face of danger.

LOL.

TK, I don't think viz and I think Bran is not important, he obviously is very. But he's about as interesting as jicama. On the salad bar, jicama looks like cheese and I always think, "Mmmmmm, cheeeeeeese!" But then I bite it and it's like an unflavored radish... it's not really anything and that is... annoying.

Prav, I admit much of my posting is speculation and frivolity. When you guys think of me posting, make a mental picture of a caveman pounding rocks together trying to get a spark to land on some kindling... that's a fairly accurate description of me trying to find the real crux of the argument for any given thread.

Thanks, I will keep this in mind.

 

[Rohan]

I actually like a lot of the less dominant characters, like Jaquen H'ghar and Littlefinger. The characters who pop up less commonly often seem to be more highly stylized and developed; traits which I tend to enjoy, and which Martin handles masterfully. I also liked the Viper, and the Hound, as well as some of the really horrifying characters like Rorge (sp?) and the Mountain himself.

Of course, when I say like, I mean I enjoy the power of the character, not that I like their personality.

 

[Marvolo]

So the theory is that Eddard took Jon to save Lyanna's honor?

I can actually buy that. But still, he never even told Catelyn? During his viewpoint chapters he never pondered that huge of a secret? How did he rescue Jon? Didn't Lyanna die before the war started or am I remembering wrong?

 

[Boaz]

TK cracks me up. I was laughing at pico de gallo... my Spanish is a bit rusty, but I think it means Rooser's Beak... so comparing Tyrion and his missing nose to a rooster's beak is just ridiculous.

Wiggs, dang it! Every time I think I'm mildly funny you come along and reveal the real joke. Carson, Leno, Letterman, et al have people who write their monologues. Would you consider writing my posts for me? I'd certainly get a lot more laughs.

Marv, I'm gonna try and make this quick. The full explanations may be found in other threads.

Lyanna died fifteen years before AGOT. Eddard did not take Jon to save Lyanna's honor, he took Jon to save Jon's life. If Robert knew that Jon was Rhaegar's son, then Robert would have killed Jon. (Remember Robert's decision to have Dany murdered?)

It appears that Lyanna, three of the Kingsguard, and presumably some servants were at the Tower of Joy. Eddard and his men (most notably Howland Reed) killed the Kingsguard. Eddard took the infant to Willa, a servant of the Daynes. Presumably Eddard returned Arthur's sword to the Daynes and presumably Eddard said his goodbye to Ashara the woman he had romantic feelings for before he married Catelyn.

Once Catelyn asked Eddard about Ashara, thinking Ashara was Jon's mother, and Eddard told her to never mention her name or Jon's origins.

This huge secret never comes out in Eddard's chapters. He does remember and dream about Lyanna. Eddard's mind is filled with images of Lyanna's bed covered in blood (mayhaps from giving birth), blue roses (Lya loved these flowers), Lyanna's words "Promise me, Ned" (I assume the promise is to keep Jon safe), and then Eddard pictures Jon.

That was very brief. The threads on Jon's origins will reveal dozens of pages of speculations.

Rohan, Welcome. Yes, Rorge is one scary guy. On your observation of specialized minor characters... Janos Slynt comes to mind. Yes. Yes, he comes to mind with his manner of speech. Yes, speech. His use of language is... ah... peculiar. Peculiar, yes! That's the word. Oho, Janos Slynt speaks his mind. Yes he does. None can say that the Lord of Harrenal does not say what he's thinking.

You know nothing! It is known. Just so. A man grown. An old done man. Trained and chained. Valar morghulis. Stick them with the pointy end. These and other phrases easily signify individuals and social groups. Marting uses idioms very well to develop his world.

 

[Rohan]

Rohan, Welcome. Yes, Rorge is one scary guy. On your observation of specialized minor characters... Janos Slynt comes to mind. Yes. Yes, he comes to mind with his manner of speech. Yes, speech. His use of language is... ah... peculiar. Peculiar, yes! That's the word. Oho, Janos Slynt speaks his mind. Yes he does. None can say that the Lord of Harrenal does not say what he's thinking.

Exactly.

While it is harder to identify with these kinds of secondary characters, I find that they add more to the unique texture of the series. For that reason especially, I love these sorts of characters.

Incidentally, your example dialog reminded me somewhat of Kruppe (of Malazan notoriety).

 

[The Curious Orange]

The other big clue is that Ned always says "Jon is a Stark" or "Jon is my blood", rather than "my son".

Ned is honorable, and clearly loves Catelyn. Why else would he bring Jon back to Winterfell, acknowledge him as his, and refuse to discuss his mother, knowing the hurt it causes his wife? Just a few words of explanation to Catelyn would have set her mind at rest. It's totally out of character for Ned to treat Cat like this.

Unless he's protecting Jon from Robert. Then it all makes sense - he can't tell anyone, not even Cat.

When Robert talks of Jon's mother, he say something like "Ella, or whatever she was called." Ned corrects him, saying it was Wylla. He never admits that Wylla was the mother - only corrects Robert as to her name.

 

[Koopa]

He does indeed leave Jon out, when he thinks of his children, could you point out to me though where Eddard says Jon is a stark, cause i cant for the life of me recall it. If true, it is most interesting.

 

[TK-421]

Boaz, I'm glad you caught that hidden pun. I aim to please.

But to answer Pravuil: No Hodor would never do such a thing to Bran. He would die protecting and caring for him.

 

[Shacklock]

Egg, I like Garlan the Gallant as well. He did not have to praise Tyrion, but he did. He did not need to be kind to Sansa, but he did. He did not need to chide Joffrey, but he did.

On the lines of decentish characters, The Reader, Lord of Harlaw, seems a pretty decent guy.