Nakor (A God?) *Spoilers*

Agreed. There's nothing I hate more than improbably good characters.

*pops axe in the corner*

Just in case!
 
Well first off, i'm new here XD, and have read all of R.e.f.'s books atleast twice, and through my reading i've developed a theory, but i haven't really had anyone to go over it with, but here goes.

While it seems most likely that Nakor is touched by kalkin, i'd like to think otherwise. It can't be Sarig, because Macros has been around longer then Nakor (Nakor is about 300 or so in the serpentwar saga) and macros recieved Sarig's full power as his avatar. But Nakor also seems to be too spread out for just Kalkin, and i don't think his powers would have manifested so powerfully for just a lesser god. So i have two theories about him, 1: Nakor infact has more then one sliver of a god in him (crazy i know) but only Kalkin's asserted its self in his early life, or (and this one is a bit more out there) 2: Nakor has a sliver of the Ultimate god or w/e you want to call it, that he and pug have talked about before, and that is why he is like a kid most of the time, fun loving, loves tricks, jokes... etc. but he is always learning and hes always got a powerful "trick" up his sleeve. And is it not in a child's( The Ultimate was compared to a child pushing things off a table to see what happens) nature to question how things are? And would it not also explain how he is so powerful? like his barrier that can even ward off the ever present Nalar from hearing them, and how he can keep his mind safe from him.

Opinions? lol

and then in light of writing this and recently having read Into a Dark Realm again, theres always the possiblity he has a sliver of a god from a different plane of reality. But anything is possible, and in the end its Raymond who decides <PHEW>
 
Well developed and well written, Spazzer, and BTW, welcome to the forum.

I have also thought over time as I read and re-read Ray's books that Nakor is someone very special, and your idea of him having a 'piece of the ultimate god' in him goes along very well with some of my own thoughts.

His nature, as Ray portrays it, is almost that of a genius child - very knowledgeable and able to extrapolate and grok situations fully with limited data, while at the same time maintaining that spark of fun. His actions a lot of the time are comparable to a kid pushuing a buttopn just to see what will happen.

Perhaps Nakor IS the manifestation of the 'ultimate god' fter all. And maybe we should send some of these ideas to Ray just to see if he goes anywhere with 'em.:)
 
Welcome also. There's a small and happy band of Feist Fanatics holed up in this section of the forum so another is always welcomed.

Thisi is certainly a different take on the debate and not one I've discussed much. Wasn't the ultimate though a being from which the Gods were made up? Indicating that Nakor, Midkemia, Kelewan, the Dasati realm are all a part of this God? Although considering this again, it doesn't mean that Nakor couldn't just be another experiment of the ultimate.
Will have to read RoaDK and SoaBC again methinks.

Great stuff though.
 
Avatar of the Ultimate God...I've never really thought of that. But as Woody said, I thought everything was supposed to have been made by the Ultimate God as an experiment. And, although Nakor is strange at the best of times, I don't think he has just been made purely for the Ultimate God's learning
 
I like that theory of Nakor being part of the "Ultimate god", but hopefully we will find out in WotMG, when it comes out. If it comes out.

Well no matter who Nakor is, or what he has done. He will forever be number 1 in my top 3. And that is Nakor (the blue rider), Jimmy (the hand), and Arutha (Con Dion).
I just hope Raymond doesn't kill Nakor off in WotMG.
 
lol, Nakor will always be #1 for me, and i don't think i'd finish wotmg if he died >.> But on the topic of what the ultimate is, i believe they hypothesised that the it created the gods as mirrors of its emotions or w/e and they in turn created the lesser gods. it'll be interesting to see what ref does with wotmg and the 10k real talony, or "ten thousand lost gods of the dasati" who knows, maybe nakor put them there XD
 
Ishap (the Matrix/Balancer) is dead and gone. However his clergy (with the help of the 4 surviving Greater (Builder) Gods) is working towards his return.
Nalar (Chaos/Evil) is entraped.
Arch-Indar (the good goddess) is dead, but is still active as a ghost/shadow/memory, which we have seen is able to act against the agents of Nalar.

The remaining 4 of the 7 Greater Gods of Midkemia are still active, but are remote, as they are the Builder Gods.

Of the Lesser Gods that are still surviving, these are the most active in the world.

Many Lesser gods are dead, but some are just Missing. And the dead gods are able to return with the help of worshippers, so the line is a bit blurred.

It was my understanding that Wodar-Hospur was the "missing" god of knowledge, and that it was his Codex that Nakar was carrying around for centuries, which may explain his touch of godliness.

And we must remember that he did found the resurgent Church of the Good Goddess (Arch-Indar).

However, the point about Banath is interesting, and in Exile's Return it was pointed out that Banath (Kalkin) is safeguarding knowledge in Novidimus, similar to how the priests of Ishap are gathering the total sum of recorded information at Sarth (or now "that which was Sarth") up in the Kingdom (on the continent of Triagra).

Kaspar's conversation with Kalkin/Banath on his way to the Pavilion of the Gods does have a Nakar-ish feel to it, so I wouldn't be surprised if Banath was influencing our old friend.
 
Ah, the joys of 4 pages and we all are coming to the same conclusion: Nakor is the avatar of Banath upon Midkemia
 
Thats the obvious conclusion or perhaps thats what he wants us to think, but i will always think theres more =D
 
Yeah in classic gambling style Nakor's playing close to his chest behinsd all the inane chatter I wonder if he is anything to do with Banath at all. Perhaps thats what Banath want's us to think of him as.

Still, it does seem to be the most likely.
 
The divine spark that Nakor probably has is surely from one of the missing Gods. It can't be Nalar (in Ralan Bek), Arch-Indar (in Aleta) or Sarig (was Macros now all magic users) so the best bet probably is Ishap.

After all, Ishap can't really be dead can he? I thought the Keeper under the Pavilion of the Gods explained to Kaspar that nothing can be 'destroyed', it is just changed into something else.
 
Some changes could well be irreverisble though! No Ishap isn't technically dead as I see it. More like, unaccessible. It doesn't follow that it has to be from one of the missing gods. If it did that would widen the choice somewhat considering there were 100? lesser gods most of whom seemed to have died.
 
Sinak-Rune said:
Nakor has a 'sliver' of Kalkin. In "flight of the nighthawks", nakor talks to Pug how Ralan Bek had a similar childhood as himself. Later on Nakor talks to Bek about what makes him stop the dreams. Nakor says when ever he gambed, con'ed people the dreams would stop. Nakor as believes in tricks. As well as that Kalkin/Banath is looking after the 'realm of knowledge' until Wospur comes back.
Banath is the trickster god.
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I knew I was right.
Well Ok, semi right.
 
What about Jimmy the Hand having a 'sliver' of Ban'ath? I'm getting suspicions.
 
he is indeed linkied with the god of trickery for reasons you might never have guessed that god has a major play in every one related to pug except for tomas mirnda too actualy just pug and nakor oh and nalar and banath i think have some way of contact you can figure out why i think that when you read wrath of mad god
 
What about Ralan Bek, he seems to enjoy fighting so maybe he has a sliver of the god of war, Tith Onaka or something
 
oh he is definatly linked with the gods you just have to finish the books to find out its realy rather interesting thing that he is involved with
 
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