Deadhouse Gates

[GOLLUM]

3/4 of the way through,even better than GOTM.Now I may have missed something but who is the sappers captain

I immediately assumed you're referring to Whiskeyjack as Capt of the Bridgeburners. Don't forget they contain sappers who in an historical context were the original engineers used when attacking an e.g. castle where they would undermine the building works as part of a siege.

Prettty sure I'm correct on this one but then again I could be wrong...

 

[Dead Riverdragon]

I seem to remember that the sappers' captain was some illusive figure who was never actually revealed. In fact I think it was eventually hinted that he didn't exist, and that the sappers acted on their own collective whims. I'll try to find some quotes...

 

[Dolorous Edd]

I seem to remember that the sappers' captain was some illusive figure who was never actually revealed. In fact I think it was eventually hinted that he didn't exist, and that the sappers acted on their own collective whims. I'll try to find some quotes...

The captain did exist, but never went to briefings etc. so coltaine and co. assumed their cpatain had died and just didn't want a replacement. After one of the battles coltaine wanted to honour the sappers for their contribution so he went down to their camp. There was one man who witnesses had said did very well, so he promoted him to sergeant. All the sappers started laughing. Coltaine got cross and demanded to know what they were laughing about. One of them pipped up and told them he'd just demoted their captain. Coltaine was at a loss as to what to do, then the captain says he's very pleased with his new role, and would like to suggest his sergeant, bungle, for the position of captain.

Was brilliant, one of the best scenes in the book.

 

[nixie]

Thanks I finished the book last night, and the mysterious sapper captain was revealed.Dolorous is right it is a very memorable scene

 

[GOLLUM]

Well you learn something new every day, what happens when you haven't reread GOTM for over 3 years LOL!...

Nixie, anwered your query on Coltaine, my suggestion/answer is hinted at near the end of DHG if you reread that bit.

Over and out....

 

[nixie]

Thanks Gollum I did try and reply but your PM box must be full.

Any one Else lose their beauty sleep due to these strangely compelling books,

 

[GOLLUM]

Thanks Gollum I did try and reply but your PM box must be full.

Yeh the price of fame I'm afraid...

Give it a try now.....

 

[biodroid]

I am on the "Chain of Dogs" section of the book and am a little confused about certain things. I don't know if its been properly explained and I missed it or if I should wait to find out but what exactly is a Soletaken and D'ivers and what is their purpose? I am a bit confused about this. If its a spoiler and will only be expalined in book 3 or so please let me know as I don't want to spoil the great read so far.
Thanks!!

 

[DarrellR]

D'ivers and Soletaken have the ability to semblem (sp) where they can transform themselves into an animal/creature. The differences between the two seem to be that Soletaken can only transform themselves into one entity where D'ivers transform into groups/packs (ex. swarm of rat, pack of wolves). The D'ivers in their multiple form do not die if you kill one of their number though they do lose strength. You have to kill of their group to kill that single D'ivers.

Soletaken are more consistent in the Malazan world and many races have the ability from humans to Imass and so forth. So it isn't centered around any one singular race. It is usually potent magic users that seem to have this ability. D'ivers are more scarce so maybe it's a more older form? Not certain but you don't see many of them.

 

[Connavar]

Having read like 120 pages of DHG it really feels like a filler. If the end isnt amazing i will wish i read the third book before DHG that seem to be the real sequal of GOTM.

The lack of warrens,gods so far is the biggest letdown.

That was what i liked most in GOTM. The interesting system of magic, the gods,the ones that work for them like the hounds,Rope etc

 

[GOLLUM]

Having read like 120 pages of DHG it really feels like a filler. If the end isnt amazing i will wish i read the third book before DHG that seem to be the real sequal of GOTM.

The lack of warrens,gods so far is the biggest letdown.

That was what i liked most in GOTM. The interesting system of magic, the gods,the ones that work for them like the hounds,Rope etc

Be patient it does get better and the ending of this book for me was one of the most memorable I've read in the Genre. Strong emotional impact.

The high point is Book 3 but DHG is still a brilliant moving read. Trust me my friend, it certainly isn't a filler...

PS Actually you'll be blown away by the magic systems in Memories Of Ice, I know I was!!

 

[chopper]

Just finished DHG, and found it draining. You certainly can't call it filler, chap...

 

[DarrellR]

I felt the same Connavar as I began the book and got through about the first quarter of it. But as I pushed forward that all changed. So like others stated definitely keep going. While it isn't necessarily connected with Garden's as a true sequel they all tie together in the end and Deadhouse gets to you by the end in the way you hope a book can move you.

 

[Connavar]

Be patient it does get better and the ending of this book for me was one of the most memorable I've read in the Genre. Strong emotional impact.

The high point is Book 3 but DHG is still a brilliant moving read. Trust me my friend, it certainly isn't a filler...

PS Actually you'll be blown away by the magic systems in Memories Of Ice, I know I was!!

Even if the end is amazing like GOTM it worries me cause it makes me think every book in the series will draining until the great ending. I want to be entertained way before the end.

My problem with DHG is i dont care for the characters except Kalam,Fiddler,Corkus and Sorry. They are only 1 of 4 stories. The Jhag,Trell i could careless of, Duiker is semi interesting, Heboric and the younger sister Paran nah....

Its wierd that i thought the first half of GOTM was slow and alittle bad but atleast then i enjoyed almost every character in it from Lorn to Kruppe,Paran etc

Dont get me wrong his prose and writing got alot more smoother since the first book but the story is lacking. It hasnt got into high gear yet and i have read almost half the book.

I will struggle my way through this and i dont care how it ends , i really wish the third book is amazing from page one. In GOTM ever since the story switched to Darujistan i enjoyed every bit of the book. I cant wait to see what happens with those characters after their story ended in GOTM.

 

[Green]

I think the story in DhG pisses all over the story from GotM. I definitely wouldn't call it lacking, not from any point in the book.

 

[Connavar]

I think the story in DhG pisses all over the story from GotM. I definitely wouldn't call it lacking, not from any point in the book.

It depends really IMO on which part of GOTM you are talking about.

Pre Darujistan many avreage fantasy stories was better than that part GOTM story.

 

[svalbard]

Deadhouse Gates is the standout book of the series for me. The whole section on the Chain of Dogs is about the best and most moving sequences I have ever read in the Fantasy genre. And for a character who does not say much throughout, Coltaine really touches you as a reader.

 

[steve bolger]

if you can bear with the series i think you will come to love it.its possibly the best series ever written IMO. ive read them all and cant wait for the next one toll of hounds

 

[biodroid]

I just finished DG and have no idea what happened what the plot resolution was etc. I have Memories of Ice on standby but I think I will give it a year before I read it. I was not impressed, it was just as confusing as GOTM (I could not really see the intentions of the characters and then all of a sudden I am reading about how some of them are dying, because of this and that, but it was not explained to me in the story). I think I got to a point where I did not care for the characters because he jumped around so much between them. The ending made no sense to me, in other words I have read Goodkind and Feist and that was way better for me. Not sure If I will carry on the series, maybe MoI can redeem it for me. Oh well, I do think he is overrated and overhyped.

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Why did Felisin become Sha'ik and how did it happen? When I read the part it was like all of a sudden she is now Sha'Ik and no explanation of how she got there or why it happened.

 

[biodroid]

Deadhouse Gates is the standout book of the series for me. The whole section on the Chain of Dogs is about the best and most moving sequences I have ever read in the Fantasy genre. And for a character who does not say much throughout, Coltaine really touches you as a reader.

I hardly noticed Coltaine in this book, and thought very little of the guy, I just probably did not pay much attention because of all the character/scene hopping.