New GRRM Update on ADWD

GRRM posting that says a lot. Given the tremendous difficulty he's had attempting to unravel that knot it's a great sign that he's willing to even be hopeful. I'll go even further and say that he's adopting the "J. Edgar Hoover" strategy of putting people on the FBI 10 most wanted list. Wait until the guy is surrounded in a motel and is about to come out, THEN put him on the list. Not really, but you get the point. I think George has figured out that the way not to get burnt on the Interwebs is not to promise anything you might not be able to deliver. He clearly needs to spend more time before it's completely untied, but IMO the brunt of the work is done.

I'm very hopeful and excited about this latest update.
 
Ursa major said:
Shame he didn't say Freying: then there'd be something soon to be read. ;)
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You are funny, Bear.

Ursa major said:
And if GRRM is hopeful, so am I.
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Me too.

Ursa major said:
* Wonders: Does solidarity help books get written? *
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Only in Poland.

Imp, I'm also excited. I've recently been thinking back upon my favorite stories when I was twelve... John Carter of Mars and Conan the Barbarian... Not to malign Burroughs and Howard, but they did not really strenuously work at integrating dozens of characters, events, time lines, and themes over thousands of pages. They worked in a different format. In my estimation, Martin is giving a much more mature story, in both plot and theme, so that the result will be much more satisfying. And I won't dread Martin using Deus Ex Machina to resolve his Mereenese knot.
 
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Boaz said:
You are funny, Bear.



Me too.



Only in Poland.

Imp, I'm also excited. I've recently been thinking back upon my favorite stories when I was twelve... John Carter of Mars and Conan the Barbarian... Not to malign Burroughs and Howard, but they did not really strenuously work at integrating dozens of characters, events, time lines, and themes over thousands of pages. They worked in a different format. In my estimation, Martin is giving a much more mature story, in both plot and theme, so that the result will be much more satisfying. And I won't dread Martin using Deus Ex Machina to resolve his Mereenese knot.
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I agree Boaz. If he had wanted to go the easy cheesy route he could have boarded that bus a long time ago.
 
I just wanted to announce that I will not be posting here on April 1st... this year. I will restrain my urges.
 
The Imp said:
Does anyone know what that translate into when you're talking about book pages? Maybe half, so roughly 650 book pages right now?

If so, that's a nice chunk etched in stone.
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It translates to somewhere around 330-350,000 words, depending on what manuscript format he is using.

As for page count, it depends on the page formatting and font size. ASoS was 1,530 MS pages and 912 pages in hardcover and about 1,200 in mass-market paperback (or two 600-odd page books in the UK). ACoK was 1,180 MS pages and 700 pages in hardcover and about 800 in mmpb in the UK and 1,000 in the USA for some reason (the UK mmpb's font size was really small, whilst a lot more readable in the USA).

So at the moment ADWD should come in at longer than ACoK but shorter than ASoS. The exact page-count depends on how the publishers divide it up.
 
I was wondering what was under that Stormtrooper helmet...
 
I was wondering what was under that Stormtrooper helmet...
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Speaking of that, a while ago I ran across a site that reminded me of TK's avatar: Hot Chicks with Stormtroopers (It is not, um, risque). They even do a "Femtrooper Friday", in which the trooper is female. Personally, I think TK should submit his avatar.
 
chairface said:
Speaking of that, a while ago I ran across a site that reminded me of TK's avatar: Hot Chicks with Stormtroopers (It is not, um, risque). They even do a "Femtrooper Friday", in which the trooper is female. Personally, I think TK should submit his avatar.
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I guess it's a generational thing. My first thought when seeing the word "stormtrooper" is Nazi Germany, not Star Wars. I'm not being critical of anyone adopting the Star Wars version btw, it's just interesting to me.
 
The Imp said:
I guess it's a generational thing. My first thought when seeing the word "stormtrooper" is Nazi Germany, not Star Wars.
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Me too, but I don't think it's a generational thing in my case so much as strength of interest, being interested as a kid more in WWII than Star Wars. (Sacrilege, I know.)

BTW, the term predates Nazi usage -- the Germans in WWI called their shock-troops the same thing.
 
HareBrain said:
Me too, but I don't think it's a generational thing in my case so much as strength of interest, being interested as a kid more in WWII than Star Wars. (Sacrilege, I know.)

BTW, the term predates Nazi usage -- the Germans in WWI called their shock-troops the same thing.
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I'm too young to actually remember WW2 but it was still very fresh in people's minds as I was growing up (GRRM and I are almost the same age btw). People were still disecting the war, talking about how things could have been different, why Hitler was able to do what he did, the concentration camp atrocities, etc. I think that peopl of later genrations don't relate to WW2 any more than all of us relate to something like the Civil war. We only know about it from history books.

Anyway, thanks for the info. I didn't realize that that term was used in WW1 as well.
 
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