what's your ideal end to ASOIAF

[All Men Must Die]

I didn't mention the lannisters because I don't want any one to steal Tryion's vengeance on his family. Plus Lannisters seem to getting what the deserve.

I just hope people don't buy into Jamie is a change men that deserves to live. I mean he pushed Bran out to his death.

 

[Boaz]

He pushed Bran out to his paralyzation, not his death. It was not murder, it was attempted murder. It was a heinous act. Can Jaime atone for it? Mayhaps Bran could forgive Jaime, but the act cannot be undone. I'm glad that we act with continued scorn and vehemence towards Jaime. He is a vile man. His longing for redemption is good, but sins are legion.

I find it interesting that the words of the High Septon (spoken by Pycelle in the show) at Eddard's execution were, "As we sin, so do we suffer." In Westeros, we know that is a lie. So, Jaime, Walder, Roose, and Ramsay may never get what is coming to them.

Discussing the attempted murder of a child, mayhaps we can put Jaime, Sandor, Gregor, Amory Lorch, King Robert, Darkstar and the violent men of Westeros into some perspective... Two nights ago and just eight miles from my home, a six year old girl was murdered. What can the murderer do to prove to me that he deserves to live? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. He also killed eleven other people that night in Aurora, Colorado. Twelve dead. At least fifty-eight wounded. It also appears that he booby-trapped his apartment, cranked his stero, and left his door unlocked when he left in order to entice neighbors or the police inside in order to murder more people. Who will forgive him? His living victims? The victims' families? The community? I think forgiveness will be in short supply for this murderer. Will he attempt to atone for the lives he took and the lives he's shattered? At this point, it seems unlikely.

Eddard's refusal to support the murders of Rhaenys and Aegon, his hiding of Jon, and his resignation rather than back Robert's scheme to murder Dany and her unborn child marks him as a man of character. As Eddard sinned, so did he suffer... What a lie.

In a brutal world, Sandor understood better than anyone. A knight is a sword.

I'd love to see the Lannisters, the Freys, the Boltons, Randyll Tarly, the Greyjoys, Gerold Dayne and all the other villains get theirs... but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Needle]

First let me say that my heart goes out to the victims and their families in Aurora, they will forever be in my heart and my prayers. I am in agreement with Boaz that, for me at least, forgiveness is in short supply.

As to Jaime, Is he the truest example of gray in ASoIaF? We have heard his story of how and why he was taken into the Kingsguard. A, let's face it boys, not yet truly a mans, dreams of everything he was meant to be, at worst- stripped away, at best- severely tarnished and twisted in revenge against his father. He took an oath to protect Aerys, so killing him is an act of black. Yet by killing him he saved untold lives an act of white surely. As Jaime said, he is hated for the best thing he ever did.

Concerning Bran, should the exchange of disabilities be considered here. Bran wanted to be a knight. He lost his legs, so can not be a knight, but in doing so he has found his true purpose in life, what exactly that is remains to be seen, but there it is. Jaime lost his sword hand. Which even he is questioning, is that all he was or was meant to be?

Intent versus deed versus outcome? This leads to a long psychological discussion (one I'm not entirely sure which side I would land on). Where lies the sin? In the intent, in the deed itself or in it's outcome? Jaime meant to kill Bran, he committed the act to kill him. He did not however kill him. If he had accidently knocked Bran out that window and Bran died, would this have been better or worse? From Bran's point of view I would guess worse, he would be dead after all.

I await your responses.

 

[Eversummer]

Tyrion becomes the Lord of Winterfell, Hand of the Queen
Jon fell in love with Dany but died saving the realmDaenerys becomes Queen of Westeros but lost Jon, the man that she loves
Arya kills Varys
Samwell becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch
Brynden becomes the tree that he should have been years ago;
Bran died but warged into Summer's skin;
Summer becomes Sansa's;
Littlefinger dead thru Sansa's cunning;
and
Cersei Lannister as a Silent Sister-attending to her wondertwin's dead body (lol)

 

[All Men Must Die]

The one main thing in ASOIAF is that it avoids the Mass Effect 3 ending. Sorry for all those that have never played the Mass Effect series. The Mass Effect games were well written and great story, until the last 15 mins of the game it just sucked!

I just hope GRRM knows how to finish ASOIAF. The way GRRM wrote book 4 and book 5 was different. I really thought Dany would be on her way to westeros in ADwD, at least towards the end of the book, but no. The book didn't even tell you the outcome of the battle. Tryion didn't even get the chance meet Danny, other than being in the fight pits.

The one thing I'm glad of is that I got in ASOIAF late. The HBO series brought me into ASOIAF. I bought all five books at once and finished them all pretty fast. They are great books. But then I found out how long he has been taking to write a book. I was like WTF! I raise a cup to all those people out there who have been reading ASOIAF since AGoT came out.

 

[Hilarious Joke]

The way GRRM wrote book 4 and book 5 was different.

Interesting. I thought ADwD and AFFC were written somewhat similarly: expanding the scope of the story into lands we didn't have any POVs in. I think this is partly the result of GRRM's original intention for one book covering all the POVs simultaneously.

In what ways did you think they were written differently?