Dan Brown: The Lost Symbol. 6.5 million copies printed.

I think people also "wanted" to believe the conspiracy theory against the church.

This is the genius. People wanted the church to get a drubbing, but not so that mechanistic science could be shown to triumph - no, they wanted there to be old, occult secrets which were true.*

Huge numbers of people are massively conflicted about Christianity. Anyone who can tap into that is on to a winner.

*Edit: eek! Is it mere coincidence that my post count after posting this is now 616: 616 (number) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
 
If you go really mad and buy a copy, why not - perhaps using gloves or tongs - hand it round to others of similarly weak resolve** so that Brown does not benefit too much from sales of his book or money from the public lending right. (I'm sure he'll get more than enough money whatever you do.)





** - okay, this description may fit me. :eek:

I most definitely will not buy a copy especially a HC unless the price drops to the level of a big Mac. However I'm quite certain I can find someone who'd be mad enough to actually buy a copy and lend it to me - likely with gloved hands in case the cover gets dirty finger prints.:D
 
I most definitely will not buy a copy especially a HC unless the price drops to the level of a big Mac.

* Calls off the men in the white coats. *


However I'm quite certain I can find someone who'd be mad enough to actually buy a copy and lend it to me - likely with gloved hands in case the cover gets dirty finger prints.:D


Excellent. :)
 
I agree about the person who said there are two kind of readers, the ones who love reading and the ones who want to be entertained. Im the first but i also like to be entertained by certain genres. I woudnt read Dan Brown but other crime,thrillers writers who are good enough imo.

I have seen people devour Dan Brown books because they dont care about the writing but the hype,the controversy and the type of book it is.

I read Da Vinci Code when i only rarely ever read books. I wont ever read him again even if he sells 300 million. That wont mean anything when there are better writers doing what he does.
Reading time is worth more to me.

Plus for the thread maker Ian Rankin is award winning author. He might sell alot but he has awards from his peers. Not to be compared to other best sellers who would never win awards....
 
I think Teresa made a very good point on the Da Vinci Code, in that it was controversial, as it offended many orthodox believers' views, which of course got others to look at the thing to see what all the fuss was about, and this became something of a self-perpetuating cycle (at least for a time). As his more recent books are still riding on that wave, plus a certain amount of connection to related themes, I think that's going to also play into how well they do. As for your response to the book above... I can't tell for certain, not knowing how you express yourself on such things, but "OK" doesn't exactly sound like a ringing endorsement.



On the first bit of this, I was basing my response on your statements, unqualified in the post:



and



The way that is phrased, it doesn't sound so much like opinion as a form of obiter dicta, while the "I don't accept the statement from some" certainly makes it sound as if you are saying they are either in denial or lying outright when they say such. I'm not saying you intended to offend anyone with it, and I apologize if my own response was offensive to you... but I don't see how those statements could be read any other way.

On the second... you'll note that, considering the effect of "fans", I immediately qualified that. I'd much, much prefer moderate sales and a low profile. The more widely read you are (especially if anything you write is genre writing), the more likely you are to attract a fair number of obnoxious types who think it is their right to make demands of you as a writer (and, not infrequently, as a person). Even given the unlikeliness of this being a possibility with me... no, thanks, I'll pass....

(And for those who can't understand this view, I urge them to look up Ellison's essay, "Xenogenesis", which can be found in the first volume of his Edgeworks series. There, he not only gives his own experiences with the type, but those of many another writer in the sff field. And then we have the experiences of such as Stephen King concerning fans and their incursion on his home and family, as well....)

As for whether or not Brown thinks his is good prose, that's another matter -- most likely he does. He wouldn't be the first mediocre (or even bad) writer to think so. And, of course, the fact of present sales gives a specious appearance of soundness to such a view... but I'm afraid that's all it is: a specious appearance.

This is not to knock Brown particularly; if he is writing to the best of his ability, and he is able to sell millions of copies, the best of luck to him. When it comes to that, if a writer is being conscientious at their job, then that's all anyone can reasonably ask of them. If they catch the public's attention and do well, fine. If their writing is poor I'm unlikely to be among their readers (though it's not impossible; I also have my likes among the poorer writers), but, as I said, this means absolutely nothing as far as the actual quality of their writing is concerned. That is something that, despite many claims to the contrary these days, really does have a much more objective basis than any one person's opinion or even the opinion of a single group. It is a difficult thing to define, and would actually take a reasonably lengthy essay to even begin to address the topic properly, but it doesn't come down to something as simple either as what a group of critics (whether we're talking reviews or more in-depth literary criticism) or the best-seller lists have to say, good or ill.



I take it you're referring to the Ennis/Dillon comics/graphic novel series? I think that has something to do with the difference in media, Lobo. Whatever the merits or faults of such, these are still not viewed in the same light as straight text novels (or, for that matter, short stories), any more than screenplays -- whether for television or movies -- are. Overall, I'd say that is sound judgment; but in any event, they are quite different media, with different strengths and weaknesses, and require different critical approaches (at least to a large degree).



I've not read Mein Kampf in the original German, nor even complete in an English translation (though I did read portions of it over 30 years ago, as it was in our school library), but from what I did read... no, quality literature is something I would definitely say it was not....

Oh, I havea book of excerpts with commentary and you would certainly not like to waddle through the constant repetitions .
 
As me Mother used to say, I'd cause trouble in a vaccum:(


Back to the grind!!
 
I don't mind Dan Brown, but it is true his prose are awful. Some of the anecdotes he throws into his work are so clumsy and pointless it feels like you are walking from conversation to conversation at a party...

However...

Can't argue with the success. He writes good stories even if he doesn't write very well...
 
Well, I just read the Lost Symbol, after saying I wouldn't bother reading another Dan Brown novel. Why? It was my birthday present, precious. And pretty much if someone hands me a book I will read it...;)

So. Cliffhangers at the end of each page: check.
Conspiracy theories and secret societies: check.
Wooden characters spouting interchangable infodump: check
Bad prose, including places where its hard for the reader to tell if they are in a flashback or not: check.
Plot that keeps you reading: check.
Building sense of doom and significance: check
Ending that lets you down like a leaking balloon: check.

Yep - it was a Dan Brown book. Kinda entertaining and frustrating all at once. I really get the feeling he just comes up with a puzzle and then writes the story around it (thats why the actual characters are essentially irrelevant to the plot), but it seems to work for him. Good luck to him I guess!
 
The big question is however did he get published in the first place?

He seems to get away with many of the things enshrined in stone as "Don't Dos!" on this and other advice forums.
 
Now that we're approaching the end of the decade and list-fever is upon the intelligentsia, many of Brown's books are appearing on 'worst of the decade' lists. Following the links from one discussion led me here -

Language Log: The sixteen first rules of fiction

Which had me wondering if the hodge-podge of conflicting advice to budding authors about how they should go about constructing a narrative was not confusing rather than enlightening.

The only Brown book I've read is Da Vinci, and his prose style impressed me as the ultimate creative-writing correspondence course.
 

Similar threads


Back
Top