Fantasy vs Science Fiction: A Poll

Which do you prefer?


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Strange I think I saw a warning about that on a sign the last time I crossed the Cumberland River bridge....

I'm not surprised, if many people in the region go around dressed like you. I mean, sharp, pointy metal bits with continuous grounding; you could get a job as a lightning attractor.

On the other hand (you do have hands in those gauntlets, don't you?) relieving oneself in a river doesn't seem to have been one of the suit's design characteristics; one suspects that a knight going into battle was recommended to lay off the ale; too much risk of rusting rigid.

Or is fantasy armour equipped with flies?
 
I still wonder why fantasy is getting put down in so many circles. With my own pitiful writings I'm a traditional fantasy author, but I've started to open my mind a bit more as a reader and veer away from the general conceptions. There's plenty of fun out there with fantasy, and the way it gets set up, there's really no chance of most of it coming to pass into reality. What's so great about reading realistic stories anyway? So-called "science fiction" is coming to pass in this world, so if you want spaceships and star flights all you have to do is wait. Why read something when it will one day become possible to live it?



I highly doubt a single human causing fire to rain from the skies or raising the ocean a hundred feet using only a few chanted words would ever be able to happen, especially with the laws of physics and whatnot in place, so the only way to get it is through movies, games, and books.


We've travelled to the stars. Been there, done that. We've created lasers and satellites and landed artifacts on other planets. Been there, done that. About all science fiction seems to have to offer us these days that we haven't done is daily contact with other intelligent lifeforms from other worlds, living on those said worlds, and creating a planet-destroying machine.


But have we ever ridden the skies on the back of a dragon or caused a jungle to grow out of a desert with words? No we haven't, and it's the impossible that fascinates me more than the possible.
 
Sci fi's possibilities are the very thing that keeps me FROM it. If I wanted something that could happen, I'd go outside and wait to get hit by a car or to be struck by lightning while....relieving myself....in a river. Chances of such things happening are low, but they COULD.

Fantasy on the other hand, wonderful escape from reality, and really drives the imagination beyond what can possibly happen to something that never could.
I originally had the same thought but, I think that there might be more to it. SF has 3 main problems for me: 1. A lot of it explores a very defined issue way to explicitly, 2. It is more likely to become dated, 3. Bad SF dwells way too much on the technology.
Basically, 90% chance of liking the fantasy (all good, mediocre, and even some poor) and maybe 40% of SF (good and a portion of the mediocre). In short, I picked fantasy because bad fantasy is better, in my opinion, than bad SF.
 
science fiction all the way for me! I'm not a big fan of most classic Tolkien universe fantasy save for Eragon, and even that I'm not a huge fan of, but I'm a total scifi nerd!
 
science fiction all the way for me! I'm not a big fan of most classic Tolkien universe fantasy save for Eragon, and even that I'm not a huge fan of, but I'm a total scifi nerd!

Just the exact kind of misconceptions of fantasy of people who don't read it. Try branching outwards with fantasy outside Tolkein style. As others will point out and have pointed out elsewhere, there's more than swords, magic, orcs, and elves, a lot more.
 
Your own misconception of SF is the same Manarion !
SF is uninteresting its something that could happen ?Thats like saying fantasy sucks because the magical things that happen in an heroic fantasy might happen.Because i have read many SF that are set in 500 years in the future with things that will never ever happen. SF is just as fantastical as Fantasy. Its not all about Hard Science, even the most science correct books demand you to believe in things that cant happen IRL.Thats why we read the both genres to read fantastic things in the future or in ancient,medieval themed fantasy past.
 
Your own misconception of SF is the same Manarion !
SF is uninteresting its something that could happen ?Thats like saying fantasy sucks because the magical things that happen in an heroic fantasy might happen.Because i have read many SF that are set in 500 years in the future with things that will never ever happen. SF is just as fantastical as Fantasy. Its not all about Hard Science, even the most science correct books demand you to believe in things that cant happen IRL.Thats why we read the both genres to read fantastic things in the future or in ancient,medieval themed fantasy past.

SF is actually NOT as fantastical as fantasy, unless it is badly written imo. Some careless authors throw in things that could never ever happen which is where fantasy and scifi connect, but realistic scifi is quite believable and usually explains some of what is going on. Star Trek and Star Wars and other such things are a bit far fetched, but most of the plots DO have basis in hard science... obviously Star Wars is fantasy/scifi since it has elements of both, but fantasy is basically anything that could never happen based on our understanding today, whereas scifi is less or not at all far fetched, and being a hardcore science nerd, I like that.
 
What's so great about reading realistic stories anyway? So-called "science fiction" is coming to pass in this world, so if you want spaceships and star flights all you have to do is wait. Why read something when it will one day become possible to live it?

I originally had the same thought but, I think that there might be more to it. SF has 3 main problems for me: 1. A lot of it explores a very defined issue way to explicitly, 2. It is more likely to become dated, 3. Bad SF dwells way too much on the technology.
Basically, 90% chance of liking the fantasy (all good, mediocre, and even some poor) and maybe 40% of SF (good and a portion of the mediocre). In short, I picked fantasy because bad fantasy is better, in my opinion, than bad SF.

SF is actually NOT as fantastical as fantasy, unless it is badly written imo. Some careless authors throw in things that could never ever happen which is where fantasy and scifi connect, but realistic scifi is quite believable and usually explains some of what is going on. Star Trek and Star Wars and other such things are a bit far fetched, but most of the plots DO have basis in hard science... obviously Star Wars is fantasy/scifi since it has elements of both, but fantasy is basically anything that could never happen based on our understanding today, whereas scifi is less or not at all far fetched, and being a hardcore science nerd, I like that.

I see a lot of misconceptions about both sub-genres here, mostly (it seems to me) based on familiarity only with the more modern (post-1980s or at earliest 1970s) examples of whichever field is on the receiving end.

Manarion, as for your comment above... try, for instance, Kuttner and Moore, especially such things as "The Children's Hour", "Mimsy Were the Borogoves", or "Vintage Season" -- you'll be hard-pressed to find stories less likely to happen, yet which are very much in the realm of possibility if such a thing as time-travel is ever made practicable... or any tales more heartbreakingly poignant and beautifully written. Or try C. M. Kornbluth's work -- one of the most bitter and cynical writers of the "Golden Age" (see, e.g., "The Little Black Bag" or "The Marching Morons"), but also one of the most dynamic... and who can occasionally throw you for a loop by having an absolutely charming and lovely little oddity such as "Gomez". Or Cordwainer Smith, with his tales of the Instrumentality of Mankind. Or Zenna Henderson, with her stories of The People. Or the mind-bending sf of Michael Moorcock (a few of his books do actually fit into the genuine sf category) such as The Blood Red Game, or The Rituals of Infinity, or Behold the Man (that's not even mentioning the various Cornelius books). Or J. G. Ballard's work, such as The Drowned World, The Drought, The Crystal World, The Atrocity Exhibition, Vermilion Sands, etc., etc.; very haunting, surrealistic tales which are nonetheless classics of the genre. Or, for that matter, that staunch old standby, Isaac Asimov, with such pieces as "Eyes Do More Than See", "Dreaming is a Private Thing", "The Ugly Little Boy"... or even "Lenny", one of his stories of robots and Susan Calvin. Or even Robert A. Heinlein with "Waldo", among others ("-- All You Zombies", "And He Built A Crooked House", "By His Bootstraps", etc.), or several of his juvenile novels, such as Citizen of the Galaxy, Red Planet, or Have Space Suit, Will Travel, not to mention that very odd little book, Beyond This Horizon.... And this is only a few right off the top of my head. There are literally thousands of others.

And, even if it is possible, the stories themselves are often very powerful, as with Tom Godwin's "The Cold Equations" or Daniel Keyes' "Flowers for Algernon"....

And Fireyfly: The Time Machine? The End of Eternity? Nightwings? The Mind Parasites? The Demolished Man? The Stars My Destination? More Than Human? "The Game of Rat and Dragon"? (The list goes on, and on, and on.....) Not to mention the work of people like Ray Bradbury, Richard Matheson, Rod Serling, Charles Beaumont....

The same can be said for fantasy -- it, too, is an enormously broad field, encompassing the Tolkienian "quest" fantasy; urban fantasy; dark fantasy (of various stripes); alternate-world fantasies (both serious and humorous); and dozens of other types of tales, some of which are darned near unclassifiable, such as Mervyn Peake's Titus Groan books, David Lindsay's A Voyage to Arcturus, Hope Mirrlees' Lud-in-the-Mist, Algernon Blackwood's Jimbo and The Centaur, James Branch Cabell's ironic comedies such as his massive 25-volume Biography of the Life of Manuel (a long read, but one of the most unique experiences in all literature, Balzac and Maupassant notwithstanding, and a rich treat going from very thoughtful, pensive and poignant thought to outright belly laughs, in some of the most exquisite prose ever put on paper)... and so on, and so forth.

It has always puzzled me how someone who likes fantasy can't stand sf, and vice versa, as they really are, despite their differences, quite closely related. They are both modern forms of mythmaking, of realizing what has always been "impossible" dreams that most of humanity shares in one form or another; and, when well done, both are very warm and human experiences which are often deeply moving -- and good examples of either aren't really that hard to find. So this entire "either/or" thing simply baffles me, as it seems very much a case of not seeing the forest for the toothpicks, let alone the trees.....
 
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Heh saying SF isnt fantastic and only realistic is acting like many more books than J.D mentioned dont exist.

The Stars My Destination's jaunting will be seen as a superhero move these days....
 
Wow! amazingly even distribution. Raise your glasses to SF and F!
 
I see a lot of misconceptions about both sub-genres here, mostly (it seems to me) based on familiarity only with the more modern (post-1980s or at earliest 1970s) examples of whichever field is on the receiving end.


It has always puzzled me how someone who likes fantasy can't stand sf, and vice versa, as they really are, despite their differences, quite closely related. They are both modern forms of mythmaking, of realizing what has always been "impossible" dreams that most of humanity shares in one form or another; and, when well done, both are very warm and human experiences which are often deeply moving -- and good examples of either aren't really that hard to find. So this entire "either/or" thing simply baffles me, as it seems very much a case of not seeing the forest for the toothpicks, let alone the trees.....
I still say bad Fantasy beats bad SF, for me. I have a high tolerance for stories of people traipsing about the countryside. Used to do it myself with my buddies. I fondly remember the journey to the farside of the Whoopdeedoos and the great quest for the waterfall. Unfortunately, ours moms wouldn't let us have swords; we ended up using sticks for guns and playing 'Nam instead. A motley crew walking through the woods reminds me of my childhood.
 
I still say bad Fantasy beats bad SF, for me. I have a high tolerance for stories of people traipsing about the countryside. Used to do it myself with my buddies. I fondly remember the journey to the farside of the Whoopdeedoos and the great quest for the waterfall. Unfortunately, ours moms wouldn't let us have swords; we ended up using sticks for guns and playing 'Nam instead. A motley crew walking through the woods reminds me of my childhood.

Nostalgic memories such as that will, of course, always color how one sees things, and make an individual more tolerant of such faults in one area, but not in another. To be honest, though, the main problem with the "bad SF" you cite earlier, which "bad Fantasy" doesn't have to contend with, is bad science -- or science presented badly, depending. (Even bad science -- Velikovsky, for instance -- has been presented well in sf, and made for some very good, entertaining stories.) Fantasy, having a much larger, more varied background of traditions and myths to draw on which do not have to jibe with reality in the same fashion, can often have an easier time of it, even if, on all other levels (competency of writing, convincingness in characterization, level of imagination, etc.) they are on a par.
 
The poll is 37-36 after my vote for SF. Im very surprised. I always thought that users of this site vastly preferred fantasy to SF.
 

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