The Short Story Thread

Just checked and my Pocket copy of TSO does have an author's afterward. Didn't know that. There's no table of contents to give any indication. Can't read it now as we're on our way out the door but will when I get the chance. Thanks for all the info. Does all published sf have such convoluted histories I wonder?:confused:
 
J-Sun i meant i have read one story which was I'll Met in Lankhmar in classic fantasy short stories collection. I have huge respect for Leiber since he is a legend in S&S,other fantasy and SF. I have wanted to read more but i couldnt decide if i should get his S&S series collection or that fantasy novel of his that is in Fantasy Masterworks or one of his known SF novels.

I didnt want to read some dogdy Wolf collection when i tried one of the legends of SFF. I just read too many classic authors that i forgot to read more of him.
 
Just checked and my Pocket copy of TSO does have an author's afterward. Didn't know that. There's no table of contents to give any indication. Can't read it now as we're on our way out the door but will when I get the chance. Thanks for all the info. Does all published sf have such convoluted histories I wonder?:confused:

Okay, cool - looks like we've got it squared away then: revised in 1980. I wonder about the histories myself. Probably the majority aren't this messed up and most are probably even straightforward, but I don't know. :)

J-Sun i meant i have read one story which was I'll Met in Lankhmar in classic fantasy short stories collection. I have huge respect for Leiber since he is a legend in S&S,other fantasy and SF. I have wanted to read more but i couldnt decide if i should get his S&S series collection or that fantasy novel of his that is in Fantasy Masterworks or one of his known SF novels.

I didnt want to read some dogdy Wolf collection when i tried one of the legends of SFF. I just read too many classic authors that i forgot to read more of him.

Gotcha. IMO, if you really liked "Ill Met" (which is very good) then you might as well track down the rest of the Fafhrd & Gray Mouser aka Lankhmar tales. If that wasn't so great for you, then probably whichever novel's description most appeals to you - or a retrospective-type collection like The Best of. I think it more depends on you because, while I might give a slight edge to his fantasy or more borderline works (which many are) he's close to being equally good at it all - it's not like I could say, "His X-type is great but avoid his Y-type". And he's not one of these authors who happened to get awards for all the very best stuff that stood out head and shoulders from some other things that didn't win awards - for instance, I think "Ill Met" is the only Lankhmar story to win an award and it's good and deserved it, but it's not necessarily the best one. It just happened to get an award for a series that certainly needed to have some example from it get an award. :)
 
I dont trust SFF awards really most because Dragon Masters by Vance won Nebula or Hugo while its 3 stars out 5 story and not great compared his other SFF short stories,novellas,novels. 3 stars is one of the lowest ranks Vance works i have read.

I will get one of those Fahfrd collection in Fantasy Masterworks series.
 
I have started reading Collected Stories Vol.1 by Richard Matheson. Before i read the introduction and remembered he wrote,had stories in Twilight Zone i thought what fine,weird SFF stories ala Twilight Zone ! Haha!

So far i have read "Born Of Man And Woman" and "Third From The Sun". Born of Man and Woman is apparently a classic story of his since i dont know his short stories by name i went in to it with open mind, normal expectation and was really impressed by the fine prose, the very efficient storytelling in only 5 pages long story. The "kid" you felt for in few pages.
 
Thanks for the interesting info re Leiber's You're All Alone, - one of my early favourites which I was lucky enough to pick up in its original magazine publication from somewhere. I was not aware of its reworking as The Sinful Ones, so that's been added to my list of things to get very, very soon.

This week I re-read FM Busby's story, If this is Winnetka You Must be Judy; it is an astonishing story, beautifully constructed and well-written. I'm having a major problem figuring out why it remains so obscure. It also looks to me as though the entire structure and plot of The Time-Traveller's Wife was simply lifted from Busby's original, but coursened to the point of sentimental rubbish in the process.

If you get a chance, read it - you won't be disappointed.
 
Since I can't decide on a book to read I've been reading nothing but short fiction all month. These a few of the memorable ones.

The Bone Man by Frederic S. Durbin - A contract killer stops in a small town during "Hallowe'en" and learns about the community's special attraction.

Memoirs of the Witch Queen by Ron Goulart - A writer is hired to pen the biography of a mysterious...uh....witch.

Down Among the Dead Men by Gardner Dozois and Jack Dann - Dracula meets A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.

The Arrows by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro - An artist tries to duplicate the famous St. Sebastian painting.

Ginny Sweethips Flying Circus by Neal Barrett, Jr. - The post-apocalyptic equivalent of the traveling snake oil salesman is a woman that separates customers from their dollars with the help of some holograms and a giant possum that likes to shoot people.
 
Thanks for the interesting info re Leiber's You're All Alone, - one of my early favourites which I was lucky enough to pick up in its original magazine publication from somewhere. I was not aware of its reworking as The Sinful Ones, so that's been added to my list of things to get very, very soon.

This week I re-read FM Busby's story, If this is Winnetka You Must be Judy; it is an astonishing story, beautifully constructed and well-written. I'm having a major problem figuring out why it remains so obscure. It also looks to me as though the entire structure and plot of The Time-Traveller's Wife was simply lifted from Busby's original, but coursened to the point of sentimental rubbish in the process.

If you get a chance, read it - you won't be disappointed.

I read it but can't remember if I liked it after I settled down or settled down after I liked it.:eek:
 
I just read "Grey Area" by Will Self (the title story in a collection of the same name) and I thought it was very good indeed. Almost Aickmanesque in it's execution which, coming from me, is high praise indeed.
 
I just read "Grey Area" by Will Self (the title story in a collection of the same name) and I thought it was very good indeed. Almost Aickmanesque in it's execution which, coming from me, is high praise indeed.
Cool. My book agent I mentioned to you who is the most widely read and knowledgeable (in terms of books) individual I know suggested to me that Borges' Labyrinths and Self's Grey Areas were the best 2 story collections he had read in the past 50 years. Quite a statement and I'm not sure if you would go quite that far w.r.t Grey Areas or Labyrinths recalling your past comments but you're certainly making me want to pick up my copy of Grey Areas and run with it...:)
 
Cool. My book agent I mentioned to you who is the most widely read and knowledgeable (in terms of books) individual I know suggested to me that Borges' Labyrinths and Self's Grey Areas were the best 2 story collections he had read in the past 50 years. Quite a statement and I'm not sure if you would go quite that far w.r.t Grey Areas or Labyrinths recalling your past comments but you're certainly making me want to pick up my copy of Grey Areas and run with it...:)
"Great Areas" was actually recommended to me by Jayaprakash Satyamurthy but I have read a few of his books before. In particular, I've read "Scale" (one of the stories contained in this collection) a couple of times in the past which is also an oustanding story.

Not all the stories are quite up to this standard but, thus far, it is a very good collection.
 
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Thats what im reading Galactic Effectuator by Jack Vance. A SF/Mystery collection with two stories. Good mystery and fine world building of alien cultures as usual. The writing is somehow though not up to his brilliant works of DE,some of his SF series. I almost take his usual high level for granted when i read just good stories of his.
 
Finished reading Dozois' The Year's Best Science Fiction: 28th Annual Collection. It features a remarkable amount of near-future earth-based SF, often of a dystopian, post-disaster and/or singularity nature. Also, while a few stories push the boundaries of what I can count as science fiction, only one crosses it. Yet, despite it being all science fiction, it's unfortunately remarkably free of many "detailed science in our science fiction for its own sake because science is cool!" stories and has a lot thematic handwavium. The ISFDB's listing is wrong but, in my estimation, it has 9 novellas which are strong as a class, 7 novelettes which are middling, and 17 short stories which are weak, though there are good and not-so-good examples of all. I'd prefer maybe one less novella and definitely fewer shorts to get more novelettes.

Anyway - my favorites:

Stephen Baxter's novella "Return to Titan". This is a Harry and Michael Poole story where they've established some wormholes but are still trying to open the outer solar system. This has something to say about them and the nature of ambition, but is also a non-stop thrill ride that I don't want to give away any of. The linear velocity of this story - see Titan as you've never seen it before! - is great.

Cory Doctorow's novella "Chicken Little" was originally published in Gateways (a tribute anthology to Frederik Pohl) and you can see not only The Space Merchants, but a lot of Gladiator-at-Law and general story influences in this tale of a near-future earth. This is a remarkably bright and shiny dystopian utopia told in a snappy style with interesting characters. What do you get a guy who has everything? And I mean everything.

Geoffrey A. Landis' novella "The Sultan of the Clouds" has an amazing setting (in the clouds of Venus) and, with the Baxter, is one of the more scientifically/technologically detailed stories. It also features an interesting bit of social experimentation that would do Heinlein proud. I have a problem with aspects of the characters and quibbles with part of the plot but this is a must read story for its ideas and descriptions.

Alastair Reynolds' novella "Sleepover" is a wonderfully evocative piece set out on oil-rig-like structures in the ocean where the entire story is hemmed in grays and a huge-scale war goes on. The protagonist has been cryogenically frozen and wakes to something very different from what he was expecting. This is not the most original idea in shorthand synopsis, but Reynolds puts an interesting spin on it in the background and the foreground writing is excellent. This was also, while deliberate (I don't want to say slow), a perfectly paced and detailed story. I don't know why he (to me) writes such great and well-proportioned stories and such poorly proportioned novels.

Pat Cadigan's short story "The Taste of Night" makes what seems to me to be a triumphant return. I'm sure she's written all kinds of stuff recently but it seems like all I've run into have been cyberpunky VR cop-type stories that are okay but tired. This slightly acerbic but compassionate tale of a crazy synaesthetic bag lady (or is she?) is extremely well done, reminiscent of a much shorter and better Tom O'Bedlam.

Allen M. Steele's novelette "The Emperor of Mars" is disturbingly light in its handling of extreme tragedy (though the narrator is well chosen to explain the handling of the tragedy, as we witness the story at a distance) and a bit fannish (though very well done in its fannishness) but I still liked this tale of a madman of Mars quite a bit.

Peter Watts' short story "The Things" is a maybe brilliant inversion of John W. Campbell's "Who Goes There?", told from the Thing's point of view. I need to re-read it but it's excellent at the least.

Joe Haldeman, Brenda Cooper, Jay Lake & Ken Scholes, Steven Popkes, Alexander Jablokov, and Nina Allan have good-to-okay stories in here. Some others were okay to a lesser extent. I disliked several but only intensely disliked four and, overall, this was a good anthology.

Nina Allan was the closest to a discovery to me (I don't think I've read her before). I feel like her story ("Flying in the Face of God", about a transformed woman spacer, the narrator whose mother is a dead spacer, and their complicated relationships with others and with each other) didn't quite congeal - she missed or mishandled some potential simbulizm and there was another quibble or two, but some of her characterization and line-by-line writing was excellent. I feel like she's capable of a fantastic story.
 
I finished my collection.

The first story "The Dogtown Tourist Agency" was a good weird alien cultures type Vance story but as a mystery in SF setting of his it was somewhat flawed. There was a character that Miro Hetzel was chasing which was the mystery of the story but it was not a very intersting. I liked it only as an amusing story with very alien cultures and 1 of 3 alien cultures was really creepy, fun to read about.

The second story "Freitzke's Turn" was more interesting, better mystery story. Miro's work was vintage detective story and the mystery was full of twists you didnt see coming. Easily be the best of his SF/mystery stories i have read so far. This story was great writing, great story and
 
Peter Watts' short story "The Things" is a maybe brilliant inversion of John W. Campbell's "Who Goes There?", told from the Thing's point of view. I need to re-read it but it's excellent at the least.

I listened to the podcast of that the other night. What a rich little piece of hard-sf that was. I'd never even considered it might be related to the movie "The Thing" until it got going. I think that is a very deserving Hugo candidate.
 
Recent short story reads:

Ray Bradbury's Kaleidoscope: well known as a minor classic and just about deserving of its reputation, I think the idea is better than the finished product.

The Wager by E.C. Tubb. Excellent until it resorts to deus ex machina to resolve its plotline, something it really didn't need to do. Shares some characteristics with Poul Anderson's Brainwave.

Earthman Beware by Poul Anderson. Possibly an attempt at a reverse 'sense of wonder' and deserves attention for that alone.

Hands Off by Robert Sheckley. Typical little Sheckley story about a group of human smugglers who steal an alien ship only to find its a compatibility deathtrap. A bit like Windows Vista. ;)

Beachhead by Clifford Simak. Classic story about human arrogance (literally) biting more than it can chew on a colony world
 
Just read Chiang's "The Lifecycle of Software Objects" (and, basically, all the Hugo award nominees) and posted it about it on the Hugo award thread, which is relevant to this one, too.

Combining those and the Dozois, I feel that Dozois might have switched a couple of my least favorite things for a couple of nominees, but I think he has better taste than the aggregate "taste of the Hugos", really. I think he missed one story, though I recognize that all kinds of factors play into what makes a story suitable for the annual. I really liked Sean McMullen's "Eight Miles". But, otherwise, I don't feel like Dozois "missed" anything out of the Hugo nominees. He only selected three stories out of the fourteen but, IMO, they all could win and there are several things in the Annual that should have been nominees instead of those that actually were.
 
Read Laumer's Retief! For comments on the whole thing, there's the August reading thread.

As far as the specific stories, I think a good "Best of Retief" could be put together rather than just omnibusing the first three. My nominees from this book's sixteen stories and one novel would be:

"Protocol": does a good job of illustrating the cultural relativism, the using of one's head, and the Retief-wins-again! motifs that are hallmarks of the series.

"Sealed Orders": a delightfully subversive tale involving one race's war being another race's athletic contest, though the best part is how the sealed orders are handled.

"Saline Solution": a hyper-plotted tale of the little guy vs. the evil corporation.

"Wicker Wonderland": an ecologically unsound tale but with a great setting otherwise - a giant floating seaweed island bobbing in the ocean with huge towers swaying and catwalks criss-crossing and cool aliens and underwater adventures.

"The Prince and the Pirate": in one sense an illiberal pro-monarchy story and, in another, a liberal (or libertarian) "don't go messing with people doing their own thing and trying to turn them into divisions of the One True Corporation" story.

"The Castle of Light": if not "Wicker", then this was my favorite - it had the Groaci (the recurring sort-of-Soviet alien semi-nemesis), some of the best humor, an attractive (and amusingly named) young lady, neat natives, a neat setting, lots of action, etc.

The Retief stories have several problems, among them the fact that a great many of them recycle a great many of the same pieces and there's never any doubt or tension over whether Retief will be right/win/save the day, but the best of them are at least good fun. One small, odd thing I particularly like is that Laumer has a neat trick for making people's non-verbal communication (or that which accompanies verbal communication) very vivid at times.
 
Allamagoosa by Eric Frank Russell

A military ship prepares for inspection and goes to great lengths to produce an item that no one has any knowledge of whatsoever other than it appears on the ship's manifest, and so it must be produced one way or the other. Classic comedic SF short story.
 

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