Theory: Coldhands=Benjen Stark, Three-eyed Crow = Brynden BloodRaven Rivers

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I've been re-reading some chapters. And somehow it came to me that Coldhands may be Benjen Stark, and the three-eyed Crow Brynden BloodRaven Rivers. Thing is i have nothing to really back it up. Except perhaps how BloodRaven was once a Lord Commander on the Wall, and that there where rumours of sorcery about him. He also lost an eye during some rebellion, maybe opening a path to him opening a third eye. As for benjen Stark, his dissappearance and possible re-appearance as Coldhands are not far in between, that and there clothing is similar.

The roles between the Three-eyed Crow and Coldhands seem somewhat similar to the roles they had in the Night watch. Coldhands being the ranger of the Three eyed crow(the lord commander).
 
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yes i know, however none of them (i think) link both Bloodraven and Benjen
 
Benjen as Coldhands has always felt intuitively right to me. But we just don't have nearly enough information (about Bejen or Coldhands) to make any sort of definitive findings there... Both characters have passed through the books thus far so quickly there's just not a ton to go on.

As for the three-eyed crow, it never even occurred to me that it would be a real thing/person until I started hanging out on these boards and I realized that seemed to be the general fan consensus. I always thought it would be some kind of a spirit guide, physic manifestation of the Children of the Forrest's call to Bran... am I the only person in the world who doesn't expect the three eyed crow to be a real tangible thing?
 
TK-

Care to elaborate on why Benjen isn't Coldhands? As I said, it sort of feels right to me, but I don't think there's enough there to venture a serious sort of opinion... I'm fairly agnostic on the issue, convince me.
 
Well, for starters his description does not fit Benjen and Bran would of recognized his missing uncle.

Coldhands cannot cross the Wall or go under it through the gate at the Nightfort, which suggests some magic involved. That would also exclude him being Benjen as a member of the Nightswatch could do so.

The general feeling is that he is working for the Children of the Forest. Or that he is working for the Three-eyed crow. Some have suggested he is even working for the Others that this is highly unlikely. Some say he is wight of some sorts.

Many have just said that Coldhands being Benjen is too predictable and GRRM would not go there.

The description on Wiki is as follows (I know the source can be easily questioned):
Coldhands is a strange entity from beyond the Wall. His species is unknown, as his one described physical characteristic is not human. Coldhands first meets Gilly and Samwell near a wildling settlement. He is described as having cold, black, stone-like hands, a gray and black cloak, and an elk as a mount. He has some sort of magical command over a massive number of ravens, which he can use for attack and communication.
 
I don't think that Bran not recognizing his uncle immediately means it is not Benjen. Coldhands is elk-like, and presumably dead. Because he is dead, he could not open the first gate. As for him being elk-like i'm figuring he had some kinda transformation happen to him, which made it that he did not become a wight. Something to do with him being a Stark, and the friendship they had with the green men. Not so farfetched at all eh ^^. i'm still liking it.
 
Coldhands is elk-like, and presumably dead. Because he is dead, he could not open the first gate. As for him being elk-like i'm figuring he had some kinda transformation happen to him, which made it that he did not become a wight.

Where did you get that he is "elk-like"? He rides an elk but I don't think he was ever described as looking like one.

The fact that he could not cross the Wall or the gate, means that the magic in the Wall which stops the Others would also affect him. Both the Others and the Children of the Forest are made of the same ancient magic.
 
Perhaps not elk-like, but i have impression that Coldhands doesn't completely look normal anymore. My mind is a bit fuzzy on it though atm (that is what you get for skippiing it through, instead of carefully rereading it), cause at the same time it keeps popping up that he is hooded.(Am i thinking of Cottilion?) Probably a mixture of the two_Or at least in my mind.

As for the fact that he could not pass the first gate. I seriously believe it is because A) He is dead B) he still walks and talks because of magic imbued to him. Thus making it that he can't pass the wall. meaning he could very well have been a memeber of the Night's Watch in life as his clothing suggests.
 
"Brother!" The shout shout cut through the night, the shrieks of a thousand ravens. Beneath the trees, a man muffled head to to heels in mottled blacks and greys sat astride an elk. "Here," the rider called. A hood shadowed his face.
"He wasn't a green man. He wore blacks like a brother of the Watch, but he was pale as a wight, with hands so cold that at first I was afraid. The wights have blue eyes though and they don't have tongues, or they've forgotten how to use them."
I think that's the extent of what we know about Coldhands. I think it's suggestive that he calls out 'brother' to Sam to grab his attention. It doesn't necessarily mean that he considers himself part of the the Watch, but we can't rule out the option either (and Sam does say that he wears blacks like a brother would).

So TK, to take your objections in order:

Well, for starters his description does not fit Benjen and Bran would of recognized his missing uncle.

First and most importantly, Bran never meets Coldhands. We cut away from his POV as he's passing through the black gate, on his way to meet him, Bran never has the chance to recognize him. Secondly, the description of our mysterious stranger is so vague that I don't see how we an disqualify anyone... We have no indication of his size, his face is hooded and shadowed, all we really know is frozen black hands and he doesn't have the piercing blue eyes of wight. That could be anyone.

Coldhands cannot cross the Wall or go under it through the gate at the Nightfort, which suggests some magic involved. That would also exclude him being Benjen as a member of the Nightswatch could do so.

I guess my thought is that some magic (Children of the Forest?) prevented Benjen from dying and becoming a wight and turned him into... something else. He can't cross the gate because of the same magic that keeps the Others from passing.... but he's still fundamentally Benjen Stark....


The general feeling is that he is working for the Children of the Forest. Or that he is working for the Three-eyed crow. Some have suggested he is even working for the Others that this is highly unlikely. Some say he is wight of some sorts.

That all seems perfectly reasonable to me. As I've said, my first impression reading through was that he's a wight of some sort, working with the Children, and Benjen.

Many have just said that Coldhands being Benjen is too predictable and GRRM would not go there.

I don't really put much stock in anything being 'too obvious' or not. The very fact that we come here and post on this series means that we're paying way more attention and giving way more thought to the books then the vast majority of the people who will ever read them. At this point, every reread I do R+L=J seems blindingly painfully obvious. But I didn't notice at all my first time through the series. And there's a bunch of stuff like that. Obvious is neither here nor there.
 
I think we're meant to believe that Coldhands is very probably Benjen transformed in some way. Given GRRM's playful nature, the more not-quite-conclusive evidence we get that Coldhands may be Benjen, the less likely it will be that he is.

Can we assume -okay, possibly not - that Bran will either meet Coldhands in ADWD on the page or, at the very least, mention the meeting. That might sort things out a bit. (or not.)






(By the way, the elk-like character is probably Moose Bolton....)
 
BloodRaven was once a Lord Commander on the Wall, and that there where rumours of sorcery about him. He also lost an eye during some rebellion, maybe opening a path to him opening a third eye.
Shouldn't that make him the One-Eyed Crow?

Seriously, I like TK's argument that Bran would've recognized Coldhands as Benjen, but I can understand how Kiwi thinks his altered appearance could fool Bran. But if Ben really was Coldhands, wouldn't he have recognized Bran? Except for his legs, Bran has not changed.

"Moose Bolton"... Too funny.

Of course, Bran's travelling companions are named Reed... spelled backwards is Deer.
 
Bran wouldn't have recognized his ASoS because, and I can't emphasize this strongly enough, Bran never meets him in ASoS! We cut away from Bran's POV as a passes through the night's gate, on his way to meet to meet the mysterious stranger. Coldhands could be Eddard or Cat or Ser Rodderick and we wouldn't know because Bran never sees him.
 
Don't try to dissuade me with facts. They're even worse than statistics.
 
I always saw the 3 eyed crow as a step towards becoming a greenseer or magician/wargster. Not an actual character. But still it does kind of speak to bran in a way. It may be some collective consciousness of the north. Mother nature if you will. Or its bloodraven? That's a mighty stretch, there's just no evidence.
 
Wouldn't Sam have mentioned if Coldhands were as small as the Children supposedly are? I bet he's Children connected, but not one himself.
 
Wouldn't Sam have mentioned if Coldhands were as small as the Children supposedly are? I bet he's Children connected, but not one himself.

Ser Illifer, that is a good point. I wrote this theory completely off when I read it first, but then (being the impatient ******* that I am) I went ahead and read the Bran 1 chapter of A Dance with Dragons on Westeros.org

***ADWD SPOILER***

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In Bran 1 of ADWD Coldhands is described as garbed in ringmail and the the all black of the Night's Watch, and nowhere does it mention him being small or smallish. You get the clear picture of him being an undead former member of the Night's Watch. Furthermore, giving more credence to the theory, coldhands is wearing a black scarf/headwrap that hides his face. This theory (especially the part about Bloodraven) now seems fully possible to me.
 

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