Theory: Coldhands=Benjen Stark, Three-eyed Crow = Brynden BloodRaven Rivers

The westeros.org forum. Dany 1-4, Jon 1-2, Davos 1, Tyrion 1-2, Bran 1. And I'm not reading anymore is they pop up because I want to have some actual reading to do when ADWD comes out. Since they are all fully available I thought It would be OK to post something relevant to this thread, but I feel.. tainted...
 
Don't feel too terrible. I think I'm familiar with most of them, as are a number of other folks around here. There's been plenty of discussion of who the Pale Mare and Crow coming to see Dany are. etc etc... I just haven't seen, or don't remember the Bran one. I'll have to go take a look.
 
Ok, I've read the spoiler chapter and it seems to me that the only reason for cold hands to make such a point of hiding his face is that there's something to hide... If he were some random dude from the night's watch or even Blood Raven why bother keeping his face in covered, it's not like Bran is going to be like 'hey you're the disgraced Targ hand of the kind from more then a hundred years before I was born! I don't trust you anymore." I guess he could be some kind of deformed monster, but as he's clearly an undead wight, that hardly seems like it'd be enough. My metaphorical money is on Benjen until further notice.

On a slightly related note, I wonder about Blood Raven... has he even been mentioned at all in the main series, as opposed to the Dunk and Egg novellas? There has not yet been any real connection between the novellas and the series proper right? I mean, Brienne is probably a descendant of Duncan the Tall, and her shield is based on his, but that's all pretty minor detail stuff.

I wonder if Martin intends to put anything into the novellas that illuminates where where we're going with the series proper? Or is there some obvious stuff there that I've missed?
 
The problem with those spoiler chapters are that you don't get any of the text. Just someone mindlessly regurgitating what he or she thinks they heard. That makes them hard to discuss...almost... pointless :p
 
Well, the wights we have met so far, like Othor who attacked the Old Bear and Jon, were nothing like Coldhands. They could not talk and were much more "zombie-like". Coldhands represents some other kind of magic that we have not really seen yet.
 
I'm firmly of the opinion that Coldhands is in some way related to the children of the forest, but it should be noted that while the wights we've seen has been zombie like, the Others seem to have more intelligence and clearly have a plan of some sort... We haven't seen an Other speak as of yet (I don't think... correct me if I'm wrong), but I expect that they can if they wish too...

where that leaves Cold Hands, I have no idea.
 
IlliferThePenniless said:
I'm firmly of the opinion that Coldhands is in some way related to the children of the forest, but it should be noted that while the wights we've seen has been zombie like, the Others seem to have more intelligence and clearly have a plan of some sort... We haven't seen an Other speak as of yet (I don't think... correct me if I'm wrong), but I expect that they can if they wish too...

where that leaves Cold Hands, I have no idea.
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Pretty sure in the prologue the Others are noted as speaking...just not in any language the PoV recognizes. Something in the description about the sound being reminiscent of crackling ice or so.
 
Old Nan's stories in Bran's POV in AGOT of the Long Winter with the Others commanding armies of huge spiders has clues as well.

Coldhands is neither an Other nor a wight as we know them.
 
Didn't Bloodraven appear during a conversation between Jon and some other charater (i'm presuming it was with Aemon Targaryen when he talked about the years that passed by, how he came to the wall, and so on.)
 
Okay I'm convined..
SPOILER

In the varamyr 6 skins prologue, as he is dying, he slips into "one eye" and gives a description of everone but coldhands as being present. Leading me to believe the speaker is in fact coldhands. And in the bran spoiler it makes no mention of anyone else only having 1 eye unless it is a random wolf I missed?
 
I am pretty sure Coldhands ain't Varymyr sixskins. For various reasons, all of them i'm too lazy to make coherent writings about.

Also can someone more diligent then I, find the quote TK asked for?
If not, TK find it yourself! I command you! :)
 
No you've got me wrong. I think varamyr entered coldhands in the throws of death briefly b4 his consciousnes was destroyed. The descriptions just gave one more piece of information to lend credence to the coldhands/bloodraven theory. Im not that dense. I was just stating that when he was dying he eñtered something with one eye that happened to be in the company of bran/hodor ect.. One eye....blood raven? That's all nothing more.
 
Maybe, can't remember. Was that from a spoiler chapter?
 
Wooh, i got the 3-eyed crow right.
So once in a bloom moon i get something right :)
(been re-reading some pre-adwd speculation).
I'm more often wrong though.
 
KiwiBird said:
Wooh, i got the 3-eyed crow right.
So once in a bloom moon i get something right :)
(been re-reading some pre-adwd speculation).
I'm more often wrong though.
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That guess about Bloodraven was inspired. Nicely done.
 
I was about to leap in and ask you to change the title of the thread, KiwiBird, because of ADWD spoilers. That's when I saw the number of replies (and that I'd already posted in the thread), and decided to check to see when you'd begun the thread.

So yes: a really excellent piece of deduction. :):)
 
I really have no opinion on whether Benjen is Coldhands (never considered it important one way or the other!) BUT although I will not post any spoilers here because everyone seems to be viewing this question pre-aDWD, the Bran never sees him aspect goes right out the window here!


Edit: ok i feel like an idiot now! never saw this thread before thought it was new and everything on it showed on my browser as unread! didn't even notice the dates!

So do me a favor i'll owe ya one! just ignore my nonsense here since i can't figure out how to remove it!!
 
all signs do kinda point to Benjen.

but then why do I just don't believe it to be him?

I think he might just be some Black Brother we may or may not have heard of

or is it the Old Bear? (haha, I kid)

for the Varamyr theory, I guess it could be argued that it was him seeing as he seems to be a wight but still in his right(kind)mind and not a zombie..that could be explained because the body he is in is a wight but his mind (Varamyrs) is not. Interesting, I'm gonna have to do some rereading to see if the evidence (if any) might point to this
 
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