What if Jon is the unlikely hero....

[Brian G Turner]

Ever since the first book, I've always seen Daenerys going first to the wall with her dragons and teaming up with Jon to destroy the Others.

Once that's done, head down south to clear out the Lannisters as a combined Daenerys/Night Watch/Stark army - plus allies.

 

[xLORDSNOWx]

Ever since the first book, I've always seen Daenerys going first to the wall with her dragons and teaming up with Jon to destroy the Others.

Once that's done, head down south to clear out the Lannisters as a combined Daenerys/Night Watch/Stark army - plus allies.

Same here. However, after reading the many theories here on the forum, i'm also concerned how the Nights Watch (Jon) will be able to do this without undermining the value of the "words" and past tradition.

What would prevent him:

1) The Night's Watch protects the realm, and is sworn to take no part in civil wars and contests for the throne.
2) If the Wall falls and he lives, is he bound by the "Wall" or his "Post"

What's possible: (Beware: stretching, and far-fetchedness is involved)

1) The Wall falls and the Night's Watch is destroyed, and Jon and some of his closest companions are thought to be dead and awakes days later by his direwolf Ghost and brought to some maester to recover. Meets up with Danny or whoever to finish the war and rebuilds the Wall with the remaining sorcery that may be left in the world
2) The Wall falls or just overun, again Jon is dead or dying and Un-Cat
uncharacteristically has Thoros bring him back with her own conditions.

 

[TK-421]

I'm not convinced that the Wall itself is the only thing keeping the brothers of the Night's Watch to their oath. I believe the oath is there, Wall or not, if there is a danger to the realm from the wilds of the north.

 

[Brian G Turner]

Hmm...reading the oath - it doesn't seem to technically demand the watch stays by the wall in the north, as much as emphasis that the watch not be considered a kingdom of people in their own right, but instead follow a selfless duty of protection of the lands against darkness.

Big enough holes to write Jon south with, IMO.

 

[Clansman]

Danaerys does have a habit of, well, un-writing legends and traditions. Why not with the Night's Watch? The scenario of her dealing with the Others with Jon, and meeting something of kindred spirit does seem to have some logic to it, particularly given the R+L=J theory, and if the Others are destroyed, then maybe the raison d'etre for the Night's Watch will be as well...

 

[Eulalia]

GRRM has also made a point of Jon's pragmatism and leadership abilities. Maybe it depends on his motivation.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Danaerys does have a habit of, well, un-writing legends and traditions.

Not really, no. Aemon said that the prophecy referred to a dragon, which was obviously a scion of the Targaryen house, and that the gender of the word for dragon was mutable as is the gender of dragons in the world. He went on to say that everyone had just always assumed it was a Prince (because of patriarchal bias) and that the prophecy would read the same for a Princess.

It seems readers hold the same bias.

 

[chairface]

Well, there is the Stallion Who Mounts the World thing. Though, you could make about an equal case for Mirri causing that one to fail as Dany. I agree with the general sentiment though, SW - I think the various prophecies are too unsure and too open to interpretation to start saying that someone has a certain tendency with respect to them.