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I've never understood why fantasy readers seem to rate this as important. Do people really get turned on by having new or "logical" magic (seems like kind of an oxymoron to me)? I'm not trying to attack you personally, but every positive review I've read of this series praises endlessly the inventiveness of the magic system and I can't imagine anything less relevant in terms of making me want to read a given book. I've avoided the series because I feel like if I'm going to get lessons in how something works, I might as well have it be about physics or something I might actually get some value from, hehe. Nothing else about the series has ever sounded terribly unique or compelling to me... I'll be curious to hear what you think about it going forward. It's been so highly rated here, on amazon, and on goodreads and yet all the reviews I read make it seem so underwhelming and it's a big time investment!

I agree magical system are too holy among epic fantasy fans. I liked the magic system in Mistborn but i didnt hail the book because of it. I didnt find any of the characters in interesting except Kelsier. An entertaining book but several flaws in storytelling,characters. The villain was so so.

Joe Abercrombie is another level. He had quality action,story,many interesting characters,he was dark in a fresh way and not fake way.

Maybe because i expect more than just good magic system,decent entertainment im not awed by that series. Still Sanderson is one of few epic writers i plan to read more of but far from great.
 
I agree magical system are too holy among epic fantasy fans. I liked the magic system in Mistborn but i didnt hail the book because of it. I didnt find any of the characters in interesting except Kelsier. An entertaining book but several flaws in storytelling,characters. The villain was so so.

Joe Abercrombie is another level. He had quality action,story,many interesting characters,he was dark in a fresh way and not fake way.

Maybe because i expect more than just good magic system,decent entertainment im not awed by that series. Still Sanderson is one of few epic writers i plan to read more of but far from great.

Abercrombie is a great counterpoint... I'm all about compelling plot/stories and interesting characters. The whole world-building thing (cohesive and coherent mythologies, religions, magic, etc) leaves me cold. It's why I've found even LOTR less and less interesting with time. It's likely just a matter of taste. I remember someone in the Abercrombie thread said they felt the lands of book two felt kind of patched on just to advance the plot, and I think they were largely right. But that doesn't bother me in the least because the characters have something interesting to do and I like seeing them try to do it. I don't care where they're doing it at or how generic the "world" is. I get the impression most fantasy readers are the opposite. It's why I've hesitated to read the Malazan books, which sound like a staggeringly impressive achievement if you're into world-building, but I can't shake the feeling they'd fall short of Martin's characterization and plotting.
 
I'm reading Robert Heinlein's "Revolt in 2100" right now. I was in the mood for some religion-bashing.
 
Abercrombie is a great counterpoint... I'm all about compelling plot/stories and interesting characters. The whole world-building thing (cohesive and coherent mythologies, religions, magic, etc) leaves me cold. It's why I've found even LOTR less and less interesting with time. It's likely just a matter of taste. I remember someone in the Abercrombie thread said they felt the lands of book two felt kind of patched on just to advance the plot, and I think they were largely right. But that doesn't bother me in the least because the characters have something interesting to do and I like seeing them try to do it. I don't care where they're doing it at or how generic the "world" is. I get the impression most fantasy readers are the opposite. It's why I've hesitated to read the Malazan books, which sound like a staggeringly impressive achievement if you're into world-building, but I can't shake the feeling they'd fall short of Martin's characterization and plotting.

You sound so much like me the only SFF taste i different from most regular posters is Epic Fantasy. I tried GRRM,Erikson and others. I couldnt keep reading several books for its sake....

The fantasy you are talking about i have read tons of in Heroic Fantasy that is more down to earth.

I agree about patched world of Abercrombie, epic fans expect 1000 page books about world building and not just story,characters. I didnt care how his world was built. Erikson has fascinating world but he did less with it story wise in several books....
 
You sound so much like me the only SFF taste i different from most regular posters is Epic Fantasy. I tried GRRM,Erikson and others. I couldnt keep reading several books for its sake....

The fantasy you are talking about i have read tons of in Heroic Fantasy that is more down to earth.

I agree about patched world of Abercrombie, epic fans expect 1000 page books about world building and not just story,characters. I didnt care how his world was built. Erikson has fascinating world but he did less with it story wise in several books....

Sounds about right. I may have to scour around for some heroic fantasy then, a la Gemmell. In the meantime, in an effort to stop hijacking this thread, I've read Priest... love that Bruen series. I hear his Inspector Brant books aren't quite as good, but he's got some seriously great pathos in the Taylor series.
 
I've never understood why fantasy readers seem to rate this as important. Do people really get turned on by having new or "logical" magic (seems like kind of an oxymoron to me)?
That's sort of why I liked Allomancy; because even though magic and logic are oxymorons, Sanderson does a good enough job of explaining it that it 'seems' to make sense. As opposed to other Fantasy where the mages can do things 'just because' and pretty much all magic is a variant of telepathic/psychic.

Having said that, I wouldn't say magic is something I generally consider to be all that important. I just pointed it out because Sanderson's is unique enough that it warrants mentioning. It's not the reason to like the novel, but it does add something.

Joe Abercrombie is another level. He had quality action,story,many interesting characters,he was dark in a fresh way and not fake way.
I agree. Abercrombie is probably my favourite author right now.

Maybe because i expect more than just good magic system,decent entertainment im not awed by that series. Still Sanderson is one of few epic writers i plan to read more of but far from great.
Well, how many are great, really? And even then, it's subjective. I think probably Sanderson can be best described as a 'good' writer, but perhaps some of the hype surrounding Mistborn (and his involvement with The Wheel of Time) have resulted in his talents being slightly exaggerated. He is still quite good, though.

And then, you have people like China Miéville, whose mugshot is printed in my dictionary next to the word 'overrated'. Yet, a lot of people seem to think that he is 'great'.

@Devil's Advocate: Thanks for the review. 8.5 stars is a fairly high rating, hence my increased interest in obtaining a copy of this trilogy for myself. I shall watch with interest your subsequent review of Books 2 and 3..:)
I agree that 8.5 seems like a high rating, but there are some disclaimers to add to that.

- I give the book a high rating because it's entertaining. I simply enjoyed it. Admittedly, I'm easy to please. (Interestingly, I am also easy to displease.)

- I haven't read nearly as many books as some of you. So what you consider to be an "8.5" among all the classics and masterpieces you've read doesn't necessarily jive with what I consider to be an "8.5" with my relatively limited library.

- I don't deeply analyse books/music/movies. Above all, they're entertainment. I read books because I want to lose myself in the world, the characters, the plot. I want to escape, be entertained, enjoy. If, somewhere along the way, I come across something that makes me pause and think, or tugs at some unknown speck buried deep inside my cold, cold heart, that's great. But I don't go in expecting it to. I don't want a Masters class in writing, I don't expect that a fiction author or a musician or a filmmaker will have the answers to the mysteries of the universe (and if they think they do, they're undoubtedly wrong). I just want to read a book and listen to music and watch a movie that I like, and that's all.
 
Sounds about right. I may have to scour around for some heroic fantasy then, a la Gemmell. In the meantime, in an effort to stop hijacking this thread, I've read Priest... love that Bruen series. I hear his Inspector Brant books aren't quite as good, but he's got some seriously great pathos in the Taylor series.

Bruen is so rare, he has high literary talent,powerful prose and he is still very exciting,bleak. He is perfect modern Noir. Actually i want to read non-genre books about men with demons,their cities. Jack Taylor is not about being a PI. The themes,ideas are so real because they are so personal. He is writing about people he knows,his city,his country.

The Dramatist and Priest has been better than ever,funnier,more deppressing. Jack is sober too. I use to think he was depressing because he let alcohol ruin his life but he is worse when he is not drinking. I bought two days ago Priest,Cross. Read Priest in one reading season. I couldnt read more 50 page of Cross. First time ever a book was too much darkness,depressing for me that i had to take a break for a few days !

I read interview with Bruen where he said a journalist told him your are ruining the fun of drinking for us. Bruen laughed and said that was a quite indictment and should be in his tombstone haha :D
 
Finished Return of the Crimson Guard. Wow. Way beyond Knight of Knives. I hope Esslemont's next installment can live up to this one. The Malazan stories still remind me a lot of Romance of the Three Kingdoms- which is a bonus.

Dipping into my first Gene Wolfe with The First Half of the New Sun - Shadow and Claw.
 
Couldn't get on with Thomas Covenant at all - so it has had to be put down.

Just finished Warlock by Wilbur Smith - brilliant. Set in ancient Egypt it was fast-moving and action-packed, though very bloody! Looking forward to picking up the sequel 'Quest'.
 
Im reading Lion of Cairo a brand new hardcover by Scott Oden.

Its set in a great time,unsual Historical fiction time in Arabian Night settings of middle ages in Eygpt. Its also a hybrid of HF and Sword and Sorcery of the old school kind. Written like the best S&S from pulp era.

A must for fans of Historical fiction and S&S. Fans of REH,Solomon Kane,Kearney,Gemmell and co.
 
I am currently reading Jack McDevitt. I had read his more famous stuff -- It was good stuff "Engines of God," "Deep Six," and "Chindi" (the first 3 Paula Hutchins Novels). Then on a trip that I couldn't find anything I read "Devil's Eye" the third "Alex Benedict" Novel. I liked that better and picked up "A Talent for War" the first "Alex Benedict" novel. All I can say is "Ahhh! This is great SF for me!" I can't wait to read "Polaris" the second "Alex Benedict" novel. It sitting right beside me. Will I do my yard work or start the novel? Hmmm?
 
I'm almost done Jhereg by Steven Brust. It's very entertaining. I like the first person POV, and the humor provided by the dragon familiar. I'm glad I got the omnibus version, since I'm looking forward to his other books.
 
Desolation Road by Ian McDonald. Essentially One Hundred Years of Solitude, only on Mars. And really awesome. Cordwainer Smith go home.
 
Hmm, I have too many books and not enough time to read. Last one I finished up was 'Soul Music' by Terry Pratchett. I picked up the second Skullduggery Pleasent book this week so I may read it and one of these days I will start mining through the piles of books I have, especially some of the epic fantasy novels (and I will one day start on Lord of the Rings, Simillarion, Children of Hurn ect...)
 
Desolation Road by Ian McDonald. Essentially One Hundred Years of Solitude, only on Mars. And really awesome. Cordwainer Smith go home.

Have you read River Gods by McDonald ? I hope its good im reading next to try this author.
 
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