Opinions of "A Clash Of Kings"

I will finish the series regardless, but an ending like that, in my opinion, would just kick the entire series in the nuts. It would be like the war of the 5 kings was just some awfully slow buildup to the mega-event and essentially, all the minor characters would be even more minor in the grand scheme of things.

I know alot of people will like this big ole fantasy at its peak showdown, but I find it detracting from the series entirely.

I dont know. I just wanna see Dany get whacked. And not in a heroic fashion either.

Not fantasy, but you really ought to look into American Tabloid by James Ellroy. It's an epic and the good guys don't fare so well in that one (the book is a fictional version of the criminals and CIA agents that set up the Bay of Pigs and assassinated JFK).
 
GRRM promised us a "bittersweet ending". I am confident he will deliver.

I hope not. The obvious ending being bad guys thwarted, good guys die, remaining guys think of good guys as good guys.

If the ending ends up being a tragedy, I am pretty sure everyones minds = blown.
Example: "Oh yay, Dany has come with her dragons and now everyone has alligned behind her. The others can be defeated, yay!". Others shitstomp Westeros, story ends. Mind = blown

If something like that happens, I will forgive Mr Martin for misleading me about the series with the first 2 books. Furthermore, it will be my favorite series of all time (which it probably already is).
 
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I have been checking up on this series and a lot of people say they loved AGOT but ACOK is just terrible, even some of the chrons mentioned that this book has more aimless wanderings of characters and there is even more dialogue with less action and less of a story. Why do the opinions differ so much?
 
I have been checking up on this series and a lot of people say they loved AGOT but ACOK is just terrible, even some of the chrons mentioned that this book has more aimless wanderings of characters and there is even more dialogue with less action and less of a story. Why do the opinions differ so much?

I think that sums up ASOFAI pretty well after AGOT.

I think the problem is that a lot of modern sff fiction is less concerned about story, as much as just padding out as much "character experience" as possible.

The result is big thick chunky reads where a plot that would have spanned a short novel ends up spread across a thick trilogy.

I see this in other writers, such as Tad Williams and Peter F Hamilton, both of which are both otherwise accomplished and successful, but also prone to the same issue.

With ASOFAI, instead of remaining focused on the major story players, we are instead given an in-depth narrative of every corner of Westeros through a range of minor and frankly irrelevant characters.

I know some people enjoy the detail and the experience of the narrative, not least because GRRM covers a huge amount of information and holds it together very well.

But so far I am left very frustrated. I recently reread the series and missed out huge chunks, not because I didn't like certain characters - that should be irrelevant to a story - but simply because those characters no longer have any real impact on the story and have therefore become irrelevant.

However, I remain hopeful that A Dance with Dragons is going to start bringing everything together again in some semlance of an ordered story - so many pieces have been set up that he has to do something with them now. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen when it's published next month.
 
Brian - Aaaaarrrrrgggghhh. I guess if that's the case then I am just not going to bother with the series. I have other books I would definitely like to try, I was just giving AGOT a go to see if I would like it and I am so far but if it gets like that-... I will just catch the HBO version and see if it is worth it. Thanks for your honesty, I can't remember if you have read the series and what you thought of it.
 
I figured the necessity of the war of the 5 kings was in that westeros society needed to be in a weakened state so as to pave the way for Dany and her dragons. A united westeros would have bode ill for dany and her dragons. With westeros to busy with itself to keep on eye on her, Dany and her dragons are allowed not only to grow, but to return to westeros as saviors rather than the conquerors they would have been.

With westeros beaten bloody from infighting, they'll gonna want peace, or at least a common cause to unite themselves under. With all that has happened not one of the 7 houses can truly bring the other 6 to heel. They'll gonna need someone from the outside with a sense of authority, they gonna need House targaryen. Which in an by itself is rather a pity.
 
I think the problem is that a lot of modern sff fiction is less concerned about story, as much as just padding out as much "character experience" as possible.

The result is big thick chunky reads where a plot that would have spanned a short novel ends up spread across a thick trilogy.

I see this in other writers, such as Tad Williams and Peter F Hamilton, both of which are both otherwise accomplished and successful, but also prone to the same issue.

With ASOFAI, instead of remaining focused on the major story players, we are instead given an in-depth narrative of every corner of Westeros through a range of minor and frankly irrelevant characters.

I know some people enjoy the detail and the experience of the narrative, not least because GRRM covers a huge amount of information and holds it together very well.

I think that sums it up. A lot of fantasy fans really like that detailed world immersion thing. Personally, I can't bring myself to read that kind of detail/world-building for REAL places, let alone imaginary ones, hehe. I want an intriguing story with characters that are cooler than me and my friends!
 
I will be permanently deleting my AGOT from my Kindle. I have officially given up on it.
biodroid, just want to say I hope you will reconsider. I have been a lover of aSoIaF for many years. I have not been a member of this forum for long but already tell you from my readings here that if your looking for negativity and cynasism (don't think I spelled that right!) I, Brian is the person to read.

I have heard and seen examples of (wish I had one handy, but alas I do not) that any story can be told in a single page or less, if you tell a "just the facts" version. As for irrelevant characters, take the Wizard of Oz for example, the only one's you actually need are Dorethy and Glenda to tell and finish the story, everyone else should have been left out!

Anyway. that's my 2 cents, hope you will stick with us, it is well worth it.
 
I just hope I will be rewarded with the other books as I am with AGOT at the moment. I am really enjoying it and then I stumbled on some amazon reviewers who said they loved AGOT but hated ACOK because it was pointless and was not going anywhere, basically what I said before. I just don't want to commit to something that will literally take me 6 - 8 months for me to read the series and then I will have totally wasted it. I sound naggy and my bottom lip is dragging but, I have other books I want to read as well.
 
Read it.

It's awesome, and IMHO, superior to AGOT.

Plus is paves the way for Storm of Swords, the best fantasy book ever written.

And I'm giving due consideration to Memories of Ice by Erikson.
 
Biodroid, I'd stick with the series. It's been a while, but I loved every book of A Song of Ice and Fire, with the slight exception of A Feast For Crows (I'd probably call it a three-starrer). There's so much excellent writing in the series it would be a shame to pull the plug on the off-chance you dislike one part of a large series.
 
I will be permanently deleting my AGOT from my Kindle. I have officially given up on it.

AGOT is an excellent novel, and many other people certainly enjoy the series overall. I'm simply speaking for myself, and appreciate I am probably in a minority if sales across the sff genre are anything to go by.

if your looking for negativity and cynasism (don't think I spelled that right!) I, Brian is the person to read.

I am a cynic, but also an optimist, hence my comments on ADWD. :)
 
Read it.
Plus is paves the way for Storm of Swords, the best fantasy book ever written.

My reading in the fantasy genre is a great deal more limited than many others around here, but I'll say it anyway - Well said that man!
 
Wow Biodroid, you went quickly from liking the book to deleting it. :)

If you have already made up your mind to give up, then what I and others say may not sway you. In my opinion, ACOK is better than AGOT. The writing is better and the story does progress. Yes, it does have a broader scope, but what a book! And then there's ASOS; I envy you being able to that book for the first time.

Of course those of us here at the GRRM board are huge fans, and we will continue to try and get you to read on. I sincerely hope that you do, but I understand if you don't. I gave the Malazan series 4 books and then decided to quit, and I don't think any amount of Erikson's fans will get me to pick it back up. But never say never. :)
 
Lady of W - I still have the book on my Kindle, I will stick to it. I am enjoying it quite a bit, more than I thought I would. I just got a bit (well a lot actually) put off by some of the "reviews" on amazon and realised those are not educated reviews if you know what I mean. I trust the chrons opinions more based on what I have read from their recommendations. I must just keep going and not read those stupid reviews. Hehe, at least you got through the first 4 books of Malazan, I have only done the first 2. I would like to pick up that series again but I want to finish the ASOIAF. Do you recommend I go through the series one book after another or stagger it? Are they direct sequels or do you have a few years between each book?
 
Personally, I would say read them one after the other, but that's the way I like to read them. I think its easier to follow the story that way, since there is so much going on. The books pretty much pick up where the previous one left off, so there isn't any noticeable gap between them.
 
I agree with Lady I would read them one after the other, easier to keep it all straight that way. There is no real time gap between them, GRRM said they pretty much run together and at times even overlap because one POV may cover a longer time frame than another.
 
Thanks guys, I am really enjoying AGOT so far, I have just past Tyrions trial by combat section and was sad by the outcome but now I am kinda hating Tyrion a bit more for his arrogance. Man these characters are delightfully despicable :)
 
That's interesting, biodroid. One would think that Tyrion is a bit more likeable than some characters I could mention. You should hate his nephew Joffrey, or hate Vargo Hoat. But Tyrion? Leave the little guy aloooone! :p
 

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