32.01: The Impossible Astronaut

Curious about asking what Song does to be imprisoned - haven't we been told before that it's because she killed someone, with the implication that it was the Doctor? Considered the first astronaut sighting to have been her that finishes him off.
Here's the thing, though. If it was River who killed the Doc at the beginning, then who arrested her? Seemed to me that the astronaut disappeared without any kind of interference. Unless it took them a while to find her?

*shrugs*

Not sure. However, I do like the idea (espoused by quite a few) that the girl we've now seen in the spacesuit is a young River. Does suggest she'd have spent a long, long time in prison, mind...:D
 
Hello!

Here are some of my own personal speculation/theory/random thoughts on the Silence and the wierd attempt at a tardis console room. :)

The Silence/Silent. I think the creatures we have seen are not the big bad. These are merely forward troops/drones/mercenaries, possibly not, in terms of species even related to the Silent/Silence. Much in the same way, that the ground troops of the Shadow Proclamation, the Judoon are not the same species as the aliens who actually seem to comprise/run the Proclamation.

To my ear, the creatures voice do not at all, resemble the voice which whispered "silence will fall" of course, I could be looking at it slightly roundabout, and the creatures are indeed the Silence/Silent, and the voice which warns, is the big bad, a different type of being, and nothing to do with silence/silent, their just his bad boys on the shop floor. "Silence will Fall" might even just be a flowery Moffaty way of a gloating baddy saying his troops are invading. Or Silence is a place or being who's fall engineered by the creatures is vital for the mastermind behind them or themselves to achieve whatever their end game plan is. Groan. so many options, ideas and madness in trying to work them out! :(

I think they may actually be a "what if" baddy. not a parallel reality in the multi verse, such as "Pete's World" but a timeline that *could* have existed, but did not, maybe even a temporarily created timeline caused by a paradox, the death of the main universe in The Big Bang for example. In effect the Silent are the Ghosts of what May have Been, or Never Was, attempting to either re-establish/or actually create a reality where they DO exist, or simply an invasion, the ghosts of what never was, forcing a breach and a foothold into What Is.

The weird replica Console Room, did the Doctor actually say it was a proper, fully functioning "time" vessel? I guess someone attempting to replicate a Tardis wouldnt necessarily bother with all the bling and functionality of a Tardis, the vessel does not seem to have a multidimensional capacity, it looked to be about the size it was. It had basic cloak/chameleon and emergency hologram capability, but those are not technology of the "gods" ie timelords, i would imagine any reasonably advanced civilisation could construct those. And where were the Engines and power source?

I do not think it is a time vessel, or if it is capable of that function, its not its primary one.

My Big Bold Speculation is, what we have here is effectively an ARDIS, just the "and relative dimensions in space". A vessel constructed to either carve a hole through the multi verses, and void spaces, to allow travel between realities, in a universe where that has become near impossible, OR in line with my speculation of the Silent as the Ghosts of Never Were, a Vessel constructed to travel from Never Was, to IS, ie the existing timeline :D

Apologies for the long rambling post :eek: and even more apologies for my bizarre Never Was/Is ideas, which actually remind me a little bit of Lawrence Miles' Faction Paradox from the Eight Doctor Adventures, and his Faction spin off line, with the shadow parliaments of the 32nd of October, and joining faction necessitating one going back in time and killing oneself, thus creating a chaotic paradox. :D
 
Something I've been meaning to post since Sunday, honestly...
the average person, when firing a small handgun, at 10 paces (or more), can barely hit a barn-door.
 
Something I've been meaning to post since Sunday, honestly...
the average person, when firing a small handgun, at 10 paces (or more), can barely hit a barn-door.

The average person could barely point it in the right direction, a decent Corporal does wonders for accuracy.
 
The average person could barely point it in the right direction, a decent Corporal does wonders for accuracy.

Obviously, putting the victim in a T-shirt labelled "Will" would at least mean the orders are relevant...
 
The diary (blue book) is something that River Song kept to record her meetings with the Doctor, who, in the 200 years of his life that we don't see, also begins to keep one so that he can keep track of his meetings with her.

River Song is able to travel through time using a stolen Vortex Manipulator (the device the Time Agents from the 51st Century use to travel through time), which she bought from a big, blue, black market fella in the 52nd Century (shown in The Pandorica Opens) - "Fresh off the wrist of a handsome Time Agent".

The Doctor is seen using it in The Big Bang and, in the end, gives it back to River Song.

Somehow I always figured that was Captain Jack Harkness' Vortex manipulator Song conned here way to, must have been the "handsome time agent" line...

As for a cloaking device, I think it has been mentioned before, I see it as a short term camouflage unit, while the chameleon-circuit if for longer periods. (And the circuit works now, it just happens to find a 60's era police box as the optimal choice regardless.)
 
There's an obvious benefit to a chameleon approach over that of cloaking, one that was demonstrated in the episode (or perhaps 32.02 - I can't remember): people are likely to walk into something they can't see, which rather gives the game away.
 
I've done that now, Hoops -- that thing I'm going to say I'll do in two posts' time, after you post your next one.


er ....


At least I think that's what's happening here ....
 
Ooh, it's like we're tinkering with time ourselves. I may move my other comments, too, then.



What a kerfuffle.


Now, normal service can resume!
 
You're absolutely right ...


(Actually, that's my response to something Hoopy's going to say later, but, curiously, not something she's said before ..... :D)
 
Since when has the TARDIS had a cloaking device. Never! The TARDIS' were hidden by having the ability to hide in plain site by reconfiguring their outer shape. The Master's TARDIS often looked like a grandfather clock.
Introducing 'fashionable' changes to the established rules just jar.

Sorry to bring this back up again, but suddenly a bit of information came my way.

The TARDIS has been invisible before, apparently the cloaking device was used in the Patrick Troughton story The Invasion back in 1968
 
Well I'm wrong again! Not the first or last time. However, I still maintain that it is over-engineering in a machine that is already camouflaged, and that having it appear to be something inside the Oval Office would have been much cleverer.
 

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