Crop Circles
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JunkMonkey
Lord High Vizier of Nowt
I have to wonder about the intellectual capacity of an alien race who encounter a species of 2M tall bipeds with eyes mounted in the fronts of their heads and then decide to communicate with them by doing drawing they can only see from the air.
If it's not to personal a question, J Riff, what do you do for a living? I ask because time and again I have seen programmes in which 'experimental' archaeologists and academic 'experts' have tried to explain how impressive ancient building could have erected while all they really demonstrated was that they clearly have no idea of how the physics of the real world works. (Or indeed how much work a human being can actually do when not sat behind a desk twiddling their thumbs up their arse.) One I particularly remember was a bunch of experts working out how they could portage a Viking longboat. They spent ages floundering about trying to work out how long it would take the crew to unload, by hand, the several tonnes of ballast rocks the boat carried. They figured it would take days. As I and about five other people had unloaded and transported, on site, by hand, 9 tonnes of building materials of the back of a delivery lorry in under two hours the same day I nearly wet my pants I was laughing so much. When they came to do 'the experiment' it took them a couple of hours to manhandle all the rocks off the boat.
People are insanely inventive things and capable of fantastic amounts of work. Sometimes for the most weird and wonderful reasons.
'HOW can this be man-made????' asks the first video a couple of posts ago. Very very simply. Get a compass - one of those things you used to use in high school geometry lessons - and just doodle some patterns on a piece of paper. I'll bet you within a very short time you will start to come up with the sort of geometric shapes and patterns on show in crop circles. Now substitute a string for the compass and have a bloke at each end to substitute for the point and the pencil and there you go. It's obvious.
If it is aliens doing all this why don't they do something alien. Make the flattened corn float 12M up in the air, rotate, and whistle the theme from Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Something drunken students or clandestine artists couldn't do. If they are so advanced why are they dead set on sneaking about fields in the dark making wildly inconstant patterns and symbols? Why don't they call a press conference and do the chat show circuit - it would be a lot simpler.
You know why. Because they don't really exist. We are not being visited by higher beings. It's wish-fulfilling fantasy to think so.
If it's not to personal a question, J Riff, what do you do for a living? I ask because time and again I have seen programmes in which 'experimental' archaeologists and academic 'experts' have tried to explain how impressive ancient building could have erected while all they really demonstrated was that they clearly have no idea of how the physics of the real world works. (Or indeed how much work a human being can actually do when not sat behind a desk twiddling their thumbs up their arse.) One I particularly remember was a bunch of experts working out how they could portage a Viking longboat. They spent ages floundering about trying to work out how long it would take the crew to unload, by hand, the several tonnes of ballast rocks the boat carried. They figured it would take days. As I and about five other people had unloaded and transported, on site, by hand, 9 tonnes of building materials of the back of a delivery lorry in under two hours the same day I nearly wet my pants I was laughing so much. When they came to do 'the experiment' it took them a couple of hours to manhandle all the rocks off the boat.
People are insanely inventive things and capable of fantastic amounts of work. Sometimes for the most weird and wonderful reasons.
'HOW can this be man-made????' asks the first video a couple of posts ago. Very very simply. Get a compass - one of those things you used to use in high school geometry lessons - and just doodle some patterns on a piece of paper. I'll bet you within a very short time you will start to come up with the sort of geometric shapes and patterns on show in crop circles. Now substitute a string for the compass and have a bloke at each end to substitute for the point and the pencil and there you go. It's obvious.
If it is aliens doing all this why don't they do something alien. Make the flattened corn float 12M up in the air, rotate, and whistle the theme from Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Something drunken students or clandestine artists couldn't do. If they are so advanced why are they dead set on sneaking about fields in the dark making wildly inconstant patterns and symbols? Why don't they call a press conference and do the chat show circuit - it would be a lot simpler.
You know why. Because they don't really exist. We are not being visited by higher beings. It's wish-fulfilling fantasy to think so.
J Riff
The Ants are my friends..
I'm a retired astronaut. Really. Seriously. 
Beats me. Some circles are downright awesome, better than Spirograph.
Aliens without sound? Very limited vision, thus the huge eyes?
Those exist. They have these ships that they fly around in.
You can see them on youTube, next to the crop circle vids.
Humans could be doing the circles, IF they have one of the hover ships, around since the fifties. First one I saw used an oil rig as a base.
Anyway, I wish any of this was wish-fulfillment, but torture is a better word for it. Everyone involved seems to be frozen, waiting for someone else to do something. Meanwhile, UFOlogists clean up at the bank, while anyone actually involved burns up in isolation.
But if you won't believe visible guys like Cooper... what's the point arguing it? The conditioning works. There are no aliens making crop art till you see it on the news.
Beats me. Some circles are downright awesome, better than Spirograph.
Aliens without sound? Very limited vision, thus the huge eyes?
Those exist. They have these ships that they fly around in.
You can see them on youTube, next to the crop circle vids.
Humans could be doing the circles, IF they have one of the hover ships, around since the fifties. First one I saw used an oil rig as a base.
Anyway, I wish any of this was wish-fulfillment, but torture is a better word for it. Everyone involved seems to be frozen, waiting for someone else to do something. Meanwhile, UFOlogists clean up at the bank, while anyone actually involved burns up in isolation.
But if you won't believe visible guys like Cooper... what's the point arguing it? The conditioning works. There are no aliens making crop art till you see it on the news.
I agree with junkmonkey.
All the evidence I have seen for crop circles, and it is overwhelming evidence, is that for clever pranksers. Totally human.
When I ask for other evidence from you "true believer" guys, I get silence. It is just like a religion. Take it on faith.
Sorry guys. Faith is not enough. If you want to believe in ET, then cough up the evidence.
All the evidence I have seen for crop circles, and it is overwhelming evidence, is that for clever pranksers. Totally human.
When I ask for other evidence from you "true believer" guys, I get silence. It is just like a religion. Take it on faith.
Sorry guys. Faith is not enough. If you want to believe in ET, then cough up the evidence.
Can I add that real evidence is not "You can see them on YouTube" and that if "you see it on the news" you know that it has been rigorously checked for accuracy, balance, comprehensiveness, and objectivity? That, there, is the difference between your bizarre claims and theories and what is established as the truth.
When I claim something, I always provide a source for it, I don't tell you that "guys like Cooper" say it is true. Here is an interesting document:
http://www.sagepub.com/upm-data/190...e_Has_Been_Kidnapped_by_Extraterrestrials.pdf
However, the fact that 3.7 million Americans believe that they have been abducted by space aliens (Hopkins, Jacobs, & Westrum, 1991) on the basis of listening to "guys like Cooper" and seeing it "on YouTube" is quite shocking to me.
J Riff - the Mods are aware that you have been peddling these bizarre theories around other forums and that threads have been closed in those forums. I don't want to do that, though it is still an option, but your claims need to be backed by facts. If you claim you have knowledge because you are a "retired astronaut" then we can quite rightly ask you which astronaut? If you have seen an alien hovership take off from an oil rig base, then which oil rig was it, what was the date, and why were you there?
If you can't do that then don't post any more.
This thread was about 'Crop Circles' please keep to that subject - second warning.
I was actually serious about Chronicles members making our own Crop Circle. I have no idea how we would organise it, and maybe we pay the farmer for his loss of grain, but surely if we could do it, that would lay to rest any possibility that is was anything other than students.
When I claim something, I always provide a source for it, I don't tell you that "guys like Cooper" say it is true. Here is an interesting document:
http://www.sagepub.com/upm-data/190...e_Has_Been_Kidnapped_by_Extraterrestrials.pdf
However, the fact that 3.7 million Americans believe that they have been abducted by space aliens (Hopkins, Jacobs, & Westrum, 1991) on the basis of listening to "guys like Cooper" and seeing it "on YouTube" is quite shocking to me.
J Riff - the Mods are aware that you have been peddling these bizarre theories around other forums and that threads have been closed in those forums. I don't want to do that, though it is still an option, but your claims need to be backed by facts. If you claim you have knowledge because you are a "retired astronaut" then we can quite rightly ask you which astronaut? If you have seen an alien hovership take off from an oil rig base, then which oil rig was it, what was the date, and why were you there?
If you can't do that then don't post any more.
This thread was about 'Crop Circles' please keep to that subject - second warning.
I was actually serious about Chronicles members making our own Crop Circle. I have no idea how we would organise it, and maybe we pay the farmer for his loss of grain, but surely if we could do it, that would lay to rest any possibility that is was anything other than students.
RJM Corbet
Deus Pascus Corvus
Everybody seemed to miss this one? (Anthony's link, above.)
Dave: good, well-researched article -- will read it later, thanks ...
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JunkMonkey
Lord High Vizier of Nowt
A thought has just occurred to me - has anyone ever plotted the incidence of Crop Circle appearances with days of the week? I wouldn't be surprised to see a strong correlation between appearances and weekends with spikes on bank holidays. Just a though.
(Second thought - this was probably mentioned in one of the articles linked to that I haven't read. Sorry if it's old ground.)
A quick Google search and:
http://www.execonn.com/cropcircles/hoaxes.html
That wasn't the result I would have expected. If all crop circles were hoaxes you would expect very few to be found on Fridays. While most were found over the weekend, there were significantly more on Fridays than other days. Very strange!
Anyone have a reason?
Edit: The articles gives one - "However, part of this clustering on Fridays can be attributed to the fact that some of the pilots do more overflying on Fridays (and Saturdays) than other other days of the week."
Metryq
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Of course, this could be a new hybrid grass cross-bred with Scottish fold cats. As the grass matures, it folds down. Some farmer cleverly plants it in a pattern, then one day...
JunkMonkey
Lord High Vizier of Nowt
Makes sense to me: if you were going to be up all night one day a week you might as well make it a Friday as it gives you time to catch up on your sleep before you have to be back a work on Monday. Some of these guys are getting on a bit, they've been doing this for years - they're not as young as they used to be.
EDIT: I misread. They were found on Friday meaning they were made on Thursday night. Which if I remember my feckless youth correctly was Giro Day! (That list was compiled in 1992) Get up, get down the Post Office, cash your Giro fill up with Breaker Lager and go tramp a field flat. What else was there to do in Wiltshire before the Internet? God, I miss the Eighties.
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J Riff
The Ants are my friends..
Someone said that the circles were each a representation of the new improved Atomic table of elements. Hope someone is keeping track of them all.
Another point - all along, people involved in the coverup have gone out and deliberately created hoaxes. None of them have the slightest idea who's doing crop circles, it ain't us.
And not to put too fine a point on it... but if you see it on the news, anything important, you know it has been sanitized, the names changed, the right people paid off, and anything offensive to certain groups surgically removed.
Dave - Delta/Alpha. There's a Russky cosmonaut in the house at the moment, too. We are waiting for the mighty ones to speak. Never a shred of paperwork since the 50s when the penny dropped.
Think a minute and you will realize that no common astronaut can be sent to deal with aliens. They have to come back and tell the truth, we don't. They are not trained for it, they would snap.
The coverup has been for reasons you won't like, but will understand. The 30 yrs. conditioning have been neccessary. Wait.
Another point - all along, people involved in the coverup have gone out and deliberately created hoaxes. None of them have the slightest idea who's doing crop circles, it ain't us.
And not to put too fine a point on it... but if you see it on the news, anything important, you know it has been sanitized, the names changed, the right people paid off, and anything offensive to certain groups surgically removed.
Dave - Delta/Alpha. There's a Russky cosmonaut in the house at the moment, too. We are waiting for the mighty ones to speak. Never a shred of paperwork since the 50s when the penny dropped.
Think a minute and you will realize that no common astronaut can be sent to deal with aliens. They have to come back and tell the truth, we don't. They are not trained for it, they would snap.
The coverup has been for reasons you won't like, but will understand. The 30 yrs. conditioning have been neccessary. Wait.
Riff
You obvously have little knowledge of conspiracies. The cardinal rule of conspiracies is simple : too many members ensure betrayal.
The "magic number" is 7. That is the number of members that researchers found, on average, make for a 50:50 chance of betrayal. Get a conspiracy with many more than 7 members, then a whistleblower becomes inevitable.
A conspiracy to hide crop circle causes would require a lot more than 7 people. Therefore, if such a conspiracy was real, it would already have been betrayed. It has not, therefore there is no conspiracy.
I suggest you dump your pseudo-religious belief that crop circles, and no doubt, UFO's are little grey men in flying saucers. They are not. The evidence that crop circles are made by hoaxers is overwhelmingly strong. The evidence that UFO's are extraterrestrial is overwhelmingly weak.
You obvously have little knowledge of conspiracies. The cardinal rule of conspiracies is simple : too many members ensure betrayal.
The "magic number" is 7. That is the number of members that researchers found, on average, make for a 50:50 chance of betrayal. Get a conspiracy with many more than 7 members, then a whistleblower becomes inevitable.
A conspiracy to hide crop circle causes would require a lot more than 7 people. Therefore, if such a conspiracy was real, it would already have been betrayed. It has not, therefore there is no conspiracy.
I suggest you dump your pseudo-religious belief that crop circles, and no doubt, UFO's are little grey men in flying saucers. They are not. The evidence that crop circles are made by hoaxers is overwhelmingly strong. The evidence that UFO's are extraterrestrial is overwhelmingly weak.
J Riff
The Ants are my friends..
Hopeless. This is why it's been so easy, people will fight to the death to deny something they have no real knowledge of.
There are huge, massive, sprawling crimes and operations which you know nothing of, involving hundreds of people, kept secret for fifty years. A whole bunch of them, including UFOs.
Mind, what you say is generally true, which is why a mere handful of people have done the actual nuts and bolts. Wait and see.
Far as I can tell, there's only a certain narrow age range of people left to deal with, before anything can safely come out. I imagine that people over 30 are more or less aware, at least generally, what has happened.
Happened. This will be the shock - no more discussion, no more theorizing - here's the facts and the video and all of it. You won't like it.
Go to the NASA board if you want a real argument, or a UFO board. I speak in here because, bion, it's more fun than the NASA geeks, who are forced to grind their teeth a lot. In here, we have open minds and SF concepts galore, so that if 'disclosure' happens, everyone should be able to deal with it to some degree.
Plus, I'm a SF writer and fan since the fifties, there is no better home, and nobody is forced to lie in here, as they are elsewhere. Over and out.
There are huge, massive, sprawling crimes and operations which you know nothing of, involving hundreds of people, kept secret for fifty years. A whole bunch of them, including UFOs.
Mind, what you say is generally true, which is why a mere handful of people have done the actual nuts and bolts. Wait and see.
Far as I can tell, there's only a certain narrow age range of people left to deal with, before anything can safely come out. I imagine that people over 30 are more or less aware, at least generally, what has happened.
Happened. This will be the shock - no more discussion, no more theorizing - here's the facts and the video and all of it. You won't like it.
Go to the NASA board if you want a real argument, or a UFO board. I speak in here because, bion, it's more fun than the NASA geeks, who are forced to grind their teeth a lot. In here, we have open minds and SF concepts galore, so that if 'disclosure' happens, everyone should be able to deal with it to some degree.
Plus, I'm a SF writer and fan since the fifties, there is no better home, and nobody is forced to lie in here, as they are elsewhere. Over and out.
Wrong.
You only have to look at the mafia families. They represent a conspiracy with a very, very powerful disincentive plan. "If you betray us, we kill you."
In spite of that, over the past 50 years, the history of the mafia is the history of repeated betrayals, and mafia families broken up and locked up. The power of the mafia destroyed by betrayals. Those betrayals are inevitable, because each family consists of a lot more than 7 people.
Get it straight. You cannot have a secret operation involving hundreds of people, without betrayal. It is a law of human behaviour.
Shoot. The crop circle hoaxers themselves illustrate the point. There are more than 7 hoaxers, so the hoaxes were betrayed, and the nature of those hoaxes is common knowledge.
You cannot keep a secret if too many people know it. You cannot maintain a conspiracy if too many people are members. There is absolutely no chance, repeat - none, that a secret group of hundreds of people can cover up stuff about crop circles and UFO's.
Anthony G Williams
Greybeard
It is rather a waste of time using logic to argue against delusional fantasy - your chances of achieving a change of mind are as close to zero as makes no difference.
J Riff
The Ants are my friends..
Assume astronaut Cooper lands and informs the debriefing people that he saw a silver disc flying alongside his aircraft. A radar blip confirms this.
This information becomes what as known as a fact.
Astronaut Cooper does not lie, he virtually cannot. He does not hallucinate. He saw something, radar confirms it. It is real.
Then, Astronaut Ruff lands and says - I saw it, I saw the pilot of the saucer! The blip confirms the saucer. The pilot is a ___, says Ruff.
This becomes a fact, never questioned again.
Lie? About aliens? Are you NuTs!? Cooper, lie?
Uh, NO.
Now, MiB Dave goes to interview a farmer about a crop circle said to have formed in under a minute.
The farmer is normal, hard working. His eyes are clear, his behaviour is open and consistent, etc. etc. etc.
They may check into his past, but often not. He is not lying or hallucinating, and there is no motive for such.
Hand the guy over to the FBI experts and they will return the same result.
So, is this a fact, a crop circle forming in a minute?
Y'see... YOU have to decide, Mibster. Someone has to, right?
What if it was your Dad? It's always someone's Dad, y'see? His daughter is standing there staring at you as if daring you to suggest her Dad is anything other than what he says he is - and he isn't. He's telling the truth.
It's aggravating, to this day, to have Cooper or anyone like that questioned.
You, I don't know from. A guy like that I would trust with my life.
The crop circle formed in under a minute. I believe the farmer, because people do not lie for no reason.
Two such incidents constitute virtual proof. There's nothing personal, there's no opinion involved, it's just common sense combined with professional expertise with people.
The MIBs are convinced, the public can think what they like.
It doesn't prove a UFO made the particular object in question - only that people didn't.
This information becomes what as known as a fact.
Astronaut Cooper does not lie, he virtually cannot. He does not hallucinate. He saw something, radar confirms it. It is real.
Then, Astronaut Ruff lands and says - I saw it, I saw the pilot of the saucer! The blip confirms the saucer. The pilot is a ___, says Ruff.
This becomes a fact, never questioned again.
Lie? About aliens? Are you NuTs!? Cooper, lie?
Uh, NO.
Now, MiB Dave goes to interview a farmer about a crop circle said to have formed in under a minute.
The farmer is normal, hard working. His eyes are clear, his behaviour is open and consistent, etc. etc. etc.
They may check into his past, but often not. He is not lying or hallucinating, and there is no motive for such.
Hand the guy over to the FBI experts and they will return the same result.
So, is this a fact, a crop circle forming in a minute?
Y'see... YOU have to decide, Mibster. Someone has to, right?
What if it was your Dad? It's always someone's Dad, y'see? His daughter is standing there staring at you as if daring you to suggest her Dad is anything other than what he says he is - and he isn't. He's telling the truth.
It's aggravating, to this day, to have Cooper or anyone like that questioned.
You, I don't know from. A guy like that I would trust with my life.
The crop circle formed in under a minute. I believe the farmer, because people do not lie for no reason.
Two such incidents constitute virtual proof. There's nothing personal, there's no opinion involved, it's just common sense combined with professional expertise with people.
The MIBs are convinced, the public can think what they like.
It doesn't prove a UFO made the particular object in question - only that people didn't.
I'm sure the larger and more complex patterns would have taken more than seven people to create in one night (unless robot etc etc). But though some creators of some circles have confessed, I don't believe they have for the particularly spectacular ones such as those in the video in the first post. Why doesn't that seven-person "rule" apply here?
Anthony G Williams
Greybeard
When the crop circles hit the news in the 1980s, they were at first very simple - a circular area of plants flattened in a circumferential alignment. It was claimed that such simple circles had occasionally been reported in the past. The most popular explanation at that time was for a natural cause - some kind of rare and intense meteorological phenomenon - and much effort was expended in trying to identify what it could be.
Then the circles started to get more complex, and I recall watching a TV debate in which a proponent of the "natural" theory was tying himself into knots trying to account for the complexity. It was by then obvious that while it was just possible that the early simple circles had some natural cause, the later ones had to be artificial. Over the next couple of decades, the complexity multiplied.
Then some people with a loose hold on reality started babbling about aliens (as they do, concerning just about everything, at every opportunity). However, this was soon shot down when some of the original perpetrators confessed and demonstrated how they did it, but that didn't discourage the alien fantasists of course - merely confirmed their delusion that it was all a big cover-up. Not even the fact that you can get very fancy designs made to order nowadays - as demonstrated in the QI link I provided - discourages the fantasists.
The reason why you don't get "leaks" reported in the press from the perpetrators is simply that it isn't really news any more, since there's no secret about how it's done. The only time you hear about it in the news media might be on a slack news day when they want to fill some space with a pic of a particularly artistic example. But there is a good reason why they tend not to go around boasting about it - the farmer may slap a criminal charge against them. The crop is his livelihood, after all.
Apart from the harm to the farmers' pockets, I rather like crop circles - they are a most impressive and appealing temporary art form, which is presumably the motivation for doing them. There must be a considerable sense of achievement among the perpetrators of a particularly fine example. The art may not last long, but aerial photographs of it will.
One common thread among the alien fantasists is a lack of faith in humanity's capabilities. "People," they say, "couldn't possibly have built those pyramids / made the Nasca lines / transported those vast stones / made those crop circles." That merely demonstrates a failure of the imagination. People are very capable and ingenious, and are more than able to do all of those things. In fact, they are all very simple and easy by comparison with the achievements which we take for granted today (like sending rovers to Mars, or just posting a message on the internet).
We live in a complex environment and, although we are learning more every day, we don't understand everything and don't have an immediate answer to every question. That should be seen as a trigger to more research, rather than an excuse to go "off with the fairies" and believe all kinds of bizarre notions for which there is little or no evidence. However, the results of such research into unexplained phenomena are increasingly pointing to faulty human perception and memory - for which there is a huge and growing body of evidence.
Something instructive happened to me a few years ago, as may have mentioned before. I live in a rural, hilly area in which fields are typically divided by dry stone walls. I was walking along a lane next to a small field when I noticed that a bicycle, with no-one on it, was running along the top of the wall on the far side of the field, all by itself. For a few seconds I was shocked and dumbfounded - how on earth could this be possible? The wall was far too rough for a cycle to run along it - it would instantly fall off if anyone tried to put it up there and push it. My eyes were providing clear evidence of something that was physically impossible. Then as the bicycle reached the end of the wall I realised the truth - the cycle was fixed to a roof-rack of a car which had been travelling along a lane on the other side of the wall, and by coincidence the roof-rack was at exactly the same height as the top of the wall. A simple example, but it demonstrated to me the potential for human misperception.
Then the circles started to get more complex, and I recall watching a TV debate in which a proponent of the "natural" theory was tying himself into knots trying to account for the complexity. It was by then obvious that while it was just possible that the early simple circles had some natural cause, the later ones had to be artificial. Over the next couple of decades, the complexity multiplied.
Then some people with a loose hold on reality started babbling about aliens (as they do, concerning just about everything, at every opportunity). However, this was soon shot down when some of the original perpetrators confessed and demonstrated how they did it, but that didn't discourage the alien fantasists of course - merely confirmed their delusion that it was all a big cover-up. Not even the fact that you can get very fancy designs made to order nowadays - as demonstrated in the QI link I provided - discourages the fantasists.
The reason why you don't get "leaks" reported in the press from the perpetrators is simply that it isn't really news any more, since there's no secret about how it's done. The only time you hear about it in the news media might be on a slack news day when they want to fill some space with a pic of a particularly artistic example. But there is a good reason why they tend not to go around boasting about it - the farmer may slap a criminal charge against them. The crop is his livelihood, after all.
Apart from the harm to the farmers' pockets, I rather like crop circles - they are a most impressive and appealing temporary art form, which is presumably the motivation for doing them. There must be a considerable sense of achievement among the perpetrators of a particularly fine example. The art may not last long, but aerial photographs of it will.
One common thread among the alien fantasists is a lack of faith in humanity's capabilities. "People," they say, "couldn't possibly have built those pyramids / made the Nasca lines / transported those vast stones / made those crop circles." That merely demonstrates a failure of the imagination. People are very capable and ingenious, and are more than able to do all of those things. In fact, they are all very simple and easy by comparison with the achievements which we take for granted today (like sending rovers to Mars, or just posting a message on the internet).
We live in a complex environment and, although we are learning more every day, we don't understand everything and don't have an immediate answer to every question. That should be seen as a trigger to more research, rather than an excuse to go "off with the fairies" and believe all kinds of bizarre notions for which there is little or no evidence. However, the results of such research into unexplained phenomena are increasingly pointing to faulty human perception and memory - for which there is a huge and growing body of evidence.
Something instructive happened to me a few years ago, as may have mentioned before. I live in a rural, hilly area in which fields are typically divided by dry stone walls. I was walking along a lane next to a small field when I noticed that a bicycle, with no-one on it, was running along the top of the wall on the far side of the field, all by itself. For a few seconds I was shocked and dumbfounded - how on earth could this be possible? The wall was far too rough for a cycle to run along it - it would instantly fall off if anyone tried to put it up there and push it. My eyes were providing clear evidence of something that was physically impossible. Then as the bicycle reached the end of the wall I realised the truth - the cycle was fixed to a roof-rack of a car which had been travelling along a lane on the other side of the wall, and by coincidence the roof-rack was at exactly the same height as the top of the wall. A simple example, but it demonstrated to me the potential for human misperception.
J Riff
The Ants are my friends..
Pfffft*....
Meanwhile, the professionals who investigate such things look at you like some kind of monkey wandered into the party.
Appeared in the eighties is right, that's when it started. All other 'alien' sightings, perhaps 10,000, did not involve crop circles.
A fantasist doesn't believe what his senses tell him.
You'd have to be a Grade A nutbag to not believe there haven't been saucers flying around for aeons. Likewise, tons of evidence for non-human construction of crop circles, is supposed to be negated by someone's opinion?
The least scientific words ever spoken, must be 'I don't believe..."
Look at the evidence, and leave opinion out of it. Or, show proof of your theory.
A fantasist could be someone capable of ignoring 10,000 slabs of evidence in favor of his fantasy of a non-alien universe. )
Doesn't mean aliens make crop circles! But I seriously doubt people are clever enough. * )
Meanwhile, the professionals who investigate such things look at you like some kind of monkey wandered into the party.
Appeared in the eighties is right, that's when it started. All other 'alien' sightings, perhaps 10,000, did not involve crop circles.
A fantasist doesn't believe what his senses tell him.
You'd have to be a Grade A nutbag to not believe there haven't been saucers flying around for aeons. Likewise, tons of evidence for non-human construction of crop circles, is supposed to be negated by someone's opinion?
The least scientific words ever spoken, must be 'I don't believe..."
Look at the evidence, and leave opinion out of it. Or, show proof of your theory.
A fantasist could be someone capable of ignoring 10,000 slabs of evidence in favor of his fantasy of a non-alien universe. )
Doesn't mean aliens make crop circles! But I seriously doubt people are clever enough. * )
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