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Hmmm. I think I'd break it up into shorter sentences to give the reader time to digest those number in bite-sized pieces.

But maybe that's just me. In honour of "write what you know", I have one character who says "You do the maths. No, seriously, you do the maths. It wasn't my best subject at school." :confused:
 
It is supposed to be quite quick, hard hitting; the character's in a bit of denial about what's happening. So, this is a challenge to them (and they're very very good with data.)
 
I always put numbers into words, unless it's a house/room number or a regiment, something like that. To me, it looks like notation otherwise. That could be me, though.
 
I have 8000 people here, another 25000 army personnel who come and go, and 16 psycher’s who can do mind sweeps. We swept 200 and found 3 agents. You do the maths.”
Does that jar? Would it be better written out? or very long winded?

The convention in non-fiction is for numbers up to and including five (I think) to be written as words and for larger ones to be written as numbers. Must say, though, I'd find it easier written out.

edit: all the stuff online I found -- without looking very carefully -- says spell out numbers up to & including 9 or (if you're using the Chicago rules) all of em. One thing that might help, if you're keeping the numerals, is to break them up with commas -- so 8,000 people here/ 25,000 army personnel etc.

(and I don't think there should be an apostrophe on psychers)
 
*swear words going on about posessive apostrophes. My fingers type them automatically, I swear it. TY.*

I might see if I can reduce the number of numbers, if that makes sense....

I have 33000 people in the group and about a dozen psychers who can do mind sweeps. They swept 200 and found three agents. You do the maths.”

Better?
 
Not to my mind -- the first version was punchier. I think I'd use numerals for the very large numbers (with commas as Hex says) in the first clause and written out for the psychers and the second sentence.

NB: are your characters US-English speaking? If so it's "... the math." with no "s".
 
I did wonder about that.. they're probably closer to Uk dialect. (Well most of them seem to have a ridiculous Northern Irish posh dialect. So, I think its maths.)

I think it maths for UK and Australia, math for the US, and other countries, I dunno.:confused:

Aaaargh! 666 replies!!

Oh, phew, not any more.

Curse you, you Hare of Satan. ;)
 
I don't think I'd want to meet him in real life. I think I'd make an idiot of myself! I met Billy Boyd (LotR) at a con once and, although I don't even fancy him, nearly had a fit of the vapours then! Dropped everything on the floor in front of him, then sort of mumbled and stared a lot.

Some day, Mouse, people will have fits of vapours when they meet you.

I read somewhere that it didn't matter how you show numbers, numerically or written out, provided you're consistent. Then I find this passage in the WIP:

I have 8000 people here, another 25000 army personnel who come and go, and 16 psycher’s who can do mind sweeps. We swept 200 and found 3 agents. You do the maths.”



Does that jar? Would it be better written out? or very long winded?

I'm awkward. If it's a round figure e.g. 8000, I'd write it as eight thousand. If it's not e.g. 8137, I'd put it as numerals.
 
I would agree eith the Judge's views but probably with Alc's modification :)

I think when you start reading tens of thousands or millions it dosen't have the same impact in words as it does in digits. It somehow loses its meaning by the time I've read it all. But then I have worked with numbers all my life so I probably just think that way.
 
I would agree eith the Judge's views but probably with Alc's modification :)

Precisely my opinion. If it were me, I would use three, sixteen and two hundred, and 8,000 and 25,000. You could use eight thousand as well, but as alchemist said, 8,137 or whatever. I *might* use 200 in some cases, but probably only if it were the biggest number of the bunch. Or if I felt like it. Or something.
 
I need a device. It can be designed to do anything but it has to be handheld and capable of being used to frazzle a small electronic device. My character is going to use it to knock out a friend's communication implant.

What kind of device could he use?
 
A couple of suggestions Alc:

An EM pulse - might need a lot of power for that one but maybe not for short range and I don't know what else it could be used for. Also it might take out a lot more devices than just the target!

A strong static discharge - the bain of electronics. Again not sure what it would be used for otherwise.

Maybe some sort of tazer device might do it. Though I don't know if they work without actually firing darts into the target and that might be a problem for an electronic device if you don't want it physically damaged. possibly a simple modification could be done to the tazer so it doesn't fire any darts but still discharges. Held close to the device that might be enough to do it. Probably wouldn't work on a military device hardened against such things.
 
Implanted? the only way to access it will be electro-magnetic pulse, and quite a powerful one. Nobody's going to quibble if their telephone fries when he's struck by lightning, but they will if thousands burn out every time there's a thunderstorm. Directive would be wise; putting out that much power in omni would tend to get you noticed (if it's strong enough to burn out one, it would jam thousands.) This is starting to sound like maser technology, single high amplitude narrow pulse tuned to telephone frequency, burning out the RF and probably the IF stages, preferably (since you mention the guy is a friend) without overheating too much surrounding tissue (which might or might not be brain tissue. Sure, the transducers will be in the head, but it might be more efficient to have a wire, and put the receiver/transmitter circuitry somewhere else). That's not going to be widely available parts, unless you can retune the generator of a microwave oven (away from the standard water frequency, we don't want to bring the guy to the boil) and find exactly the right frequency molecule for the gas tube/crystal.
 
Not sure if I'm adding or helping much, but how about a mobile phone in appearance? Almost everybody has one.

As to what could do the job - if you could explain away how you'd get the power necessary in a small device, how about a taser (they make some of them that look like a mobile, very illegal in most countries) that fires darts, the wires transmitting an EM pulse?

Alternatively, but again needing massive amounts of power (MW levels, I believe), you could look at something like electronic countermeasures used for jamming radar and communications. The problem would be to get it in a small enough package and, considering what some systems are capable of, keeping the settings low enough to only jam or permanently disable the implant without hurting the person. And again, you could end up jamming everything in the vicinity without tight focus.
 
I had a very bad initial thought.... :eek: but not good for YA, I suspect.

You bad girl, you. I'm beginning to think the nun issue wasn't an accident after all. :D

A couple of suggestions Alc:

An EM pulse - might need a lot of power for that one but maybe not for short range and I don't know what else it could be used for. Also it might take out a lot more devices than just the target!

A strong static discharge - the bain of electronics. Again not sure what it would be used for otherwise.

Maybe some sort of tazer device might do it. Though I don't know if they work without actually firing darts into the target and that might be a problem for an electronic device if you don't want it physically damaged. possibly a simple modification could be done to the tazer so it doesn't fire any darts but still discharges. Held close to the device that might be enough to do it. Probably wouldn't work on a military device hardened against such things.

It'll be civilian spec and reasonably experimental. I'd thought of tazer too, but I can't think of a way to wangle that into the story yet.

Implanted? the only way to access it will be electro-magnetic pulse, and quite a powerful one. Nobody's going to quibble if their telephone fries when he's struck by lightning, but they will if thousands burn out every time there's a thunderstorm. Directive would be wise; putting out that much power in omni would tend to get you noticed (if it's strong enough to burn out one, it would jam thousands.) This is starting to sound like maser technology, single high amplitude narrow pulse tuned to telephone frequency, burning out the RF and probably the IF stages, preferably (since you mention the guy is a friend) without overheating too much surrounding tissue (which might or might not be brain tissue. Sure, the transducers will be in the head, but it might be more efficient to have a wire, and put the receiver/transmitter circuitry somewhere else). That's not going to be widely available parts, unless you can retune the generator of a microwave oven (away from the standard water frequency, we don't want to bring the guy to the boil) and find exactly the right frequency molecule for the gas tube/crystal.

The implant is currently in the mastoid process, the bony bit behind the ear. It can be moved though. I'm imagining it having an access point under the skin, much like the ports chemotherapy patients have implanted in their abdomens for the drugs to be injected into. I imagined the access point would be used for diagnostics or updating software. Slice the skin, and you have access. Now having thought about it, I might be able to disable it with a (computer) virus. I'm not sure how smart this implant would be -- maybe the processing would be done remotely, but it may still be a runner.

Maser is an option, ty. I've been looking it since you suggested it, but I'm not sure of how to wangle that in either.

Not sure if I'm adding or helping much, but how about a mobile phone in appearance? Almost everybody has one.

As to what could do the job - if you could explain away how you'd get the power necessary in a small device, how about a taser (they make some of them that look like a mobile, very illegal in most countries) that fires darts, the wires transmitting an EM pulse?

Alternatively, but again needing massive amounts of power (MW levels, I believe), you could look at something like electronic countermeasures used for jamming radar and communications. The problem would be to get it in a small enough package and, considering what some systems are capable of, keeping the settings low enough to only jam or permanently disable the implant without hurting the person. And again, you could end up jamming everything in the vicinity without tight focus.

Yup, that's where the maser reading took me, countermeasures. May be an option.

Do you need it to look like an everyday object, Alc, or does it not matter?

To give some context, my heroes left Earth in 2090, so technology has moved on. The scene is in a garage, but one that has a part in many engineering projects, so I can use almost any device. Using a military device would be a problem, however, since the characters shouldn't have access to it. So, ideally, I'm looking for a tool (settle down, springs, settle down).

Thanks for all the replies everybody. It's generating ideas.
 
I was going to suggest sending a virus to his phone, but you've got that.

You could try something like Larry Niven's tasp. It sends a signal to tickle the pleasure centre of someone's brain. Very dangerous, because it was highly addictive. I was thinking you could disable the implantee, rather than the implant.
 
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