A thought about Game of Thrones on TV

[firstfist]

Yes, Howland Reed was the other survivor and hence should be in the show, but as the show has been taking a bit more of it's own form, especially in the last few episodes, anyone still alive in the TV series could end up being the other survivor. That is assuming they are even planning on presenting the TOJ at all.
Maybe the producers have decided to cut out details that happen because of TOJ. Maybe it doesn't have the significance, even to Martin, that we think it does.

 

[svalbard]

Yes, Howland Reed was the other survivor and hence should be in the show, but as the show has been taking a bit more of it's own form, especially in the last few episodes, anyone still alive in the TV series could end up being the other survivor. That is assuming they are even planning on presenting the TOJ at all.
Maybe the producers have decided to cut out details that happen because of TOJ. Maybe it doesn't have the significance, even to Martin, that we think it does.

Good point. Maybe as TV series continues it will put to bed a lot of theories doing the rounds. Martín does have a say what goes into the TV series. Maybe the TOJ scene is just a wonderfully evocative piece of writing with nothing else behind it. Hence it getting cut.

 

[The Imp]

Good point. Maybe as TV series continues it will put to bed a lot of theories doing the rounds. Martín does have a say what goes into the TV series. Maybe the TOJ scene is just a wonderfully evocative piece of writing with nothing else behind it. Hence it getting cut.

GRRM actually has very little say as to what David and Dan do. Go to about the 12 minute and 32 minute points of the Google interview, linked below. He clearly says that they can have aliens land and take over and there's nothing he could do about it, and that he has no control over what they do, other than the one episode he writes per season. He's a consultant, and they don't have to listen to him.

With all due respect, I don't believe for a second that the ToJ was thrown in just for the hell of it. My insanely crackpot theory of Ned still being alive has a MUCH greater chance of being true than the ToJ just being put in for filler or to be evocative. GRRM is meticulous in the detail he puts in, and leaves breadcrumbs, foreshadowings, prohpecies, dreams, etc. scattered all over the books. He enjoys creating the puzzles, and the ToJ of part of the R+L=J puzzle, or part of another with a different equation. Here's that link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTTW8M_etko

 

[mtzGr]

GRRM actually has very little say as to what David and Dan do. Go to about the 12 minute and 32 minute points of the Google interview, linked below. He clearly says that they can have aliens land and take over and there's nothing he could do about it, and that he has no control over what they do, other than the one episode he writes per season. He's a consultant, and they don't have to listen to him.

Sounds like an interesting avenue to explore.

If you had complete creative control over the story line of the show (past, present, future), where would you take it?

 

[southron sword]

GRRM actually has very little say as to what David and Dan do.

Obviously, judging by this latest episode.....

 

[Needle]

SPOILERS!!!











With SS on this one!

They seem to be getting further and further from the truth, and for no obvious reason. Up to know the things they changed or compacted were mostly okay and effected the story very little.

Now however, first they have Jon ask to go ranging, then he captures Ygritte, doesn't kill her but then chases her down? his fellow rangers desert him? As it stands now, if he kills Qhorin, he really has turned his cloak.

STOLEN DRAGONS WTF? Long, frankly boring scene of Dany begging then coming back to stolen dragons? Sorry don't get it. We could have (should have) skipped this begging and gone on to the begging of the Undying!

Good points:

Arya, as usual! Not sure what the Lorch thing was all about, but love, love her and Tywin together! They are both brilliant IMHO!

Finally! Some interaction between Sansa and the Hound! When he tells Tyrion he didn't do it for him even my non-reader viewing partners were like "I think he likes that little bird!"

Best for last, Tyrion! "We have had vicious kings and idiotic kings but I don't think we've ever had a vicious idiot before!" LOVE HIM! Bring on more Emmy's say I!

 

[firstfist]

With all due respect, I don't believe for a second that the ToJ was thrown in just for the hell of it.

I really don't either.

 

[mtzGr]

They seem to be getting further and further from the truth, and for no obvious reason. Up to know the things they changed or compacted were mostly okay and effected the story very little.

Now however, first they have Jon ask to go ranging, then he captures Ygritte, doesn't kill her but then chases her down? his fellow rangers desert him? As it stands now, if he kills Qhorin, he really has turned his cloak.

STOLEN DRAGONS WTF? Long, frankly boring scene of Dany begging then coming back to stolen dragons? Sorry don't get it. We could have (should have) skipped this begging and gone on to the begging of the Undying!

Good points:

Arya, as usual! Not sure what the Lorch thing was all about, but love, love her and Tywin together! They are both brilliant IMHO!

Finally! Some interaction between Sansa and the Hound! When he tells Tyrion he didn't do it for him even my non-reader viewing partners were like "I think he likes that little bird!"

Best for last, Tyrion! "We have had vicious kings and idiotic kings but I don't think we've ever had a vicious idiot before!" LOVE HIM! Bring on more Emmy's say I!

I pretty much agree with you on all counts. I'm wondering how Jon's story will play out, but I like Ygritte's character and I think the two will be entertaining together.

Dany's character/story has been a let down this season; some of it due to the writing, some due to the actress. I dreaded having to read another Dany chapter in ADWD, and I'm afraid that is how I am starting to feel about the show.

I really thought they did Theon's scene well; you really saw how hard it was for him having to choose sides and betray the friends he grew up with, and after killing Rodrik (sp?) how his soul really was lost.

Arya and Tywin's scenes have been so entertaining, probably the best acting this season.

 

[Needle]

I really thought they did Theon's scene well; you really saw how hard it was for him having to choose sides and betray the friends he grew up with, and after killing Rodrik (sp?) how his soul really was lost.

I agree. forgot to mention him. Hate him and feel sorry for him all at once.

 

[Keebs411]

Now however, first they have Jon ask to go ranging, then he captures Ygritte, doesn't kill her but then chases her down? his fellow rangers desert him? As it stands now, if he kills Qhorin, he really has turned his cloak.

STOLEN DRAGONS WTF? Long, frankly boring scene of Dany begging then coming back to stolen dragons? Sorry don't get it. We could have (should have) skipped this begging and gone on to the begging of the Undying!

Good points:

Arya, as usual! Not sure what the Lorch thing was all about, but love, love her and Tywin together! They are both brilliant IMHO!

Finally! Some interaction between Sansa and the Hound! When he tells Tyrion he didn't do it for him even my non-reader viewing partners were like "I think he likes that little bird!"

Best for last, Tyrion! "We have had vicious kings and idiotic kings but I don't think we've ever had a vicious idiot before!" LOVE HIM! Bring on more Emmy's say I!

i loved the introduction of Ygritte, and i found it funny how annoyed he kept getting when she kept wiggling around to taunt him being she knows about the vows crows make lol. how ever i agree the part of his fellow crows abandoning him was off. Im going to wait till next wk before i decide if they played around with that plot line to much

the suspense with Arya Tywin and Little Finger was great!! although off with the Lorch thing i found it amusing, a nice touch of comic relief.

Sansa the hound and Tyrion, could not have made the mob attack story line play out any better!!!

now on to the stolen dragons...... THE ONLY THING I SEMI LIKED ABOUT THAT, is as a reader i already basically know what to expect and so with the show springing this change on me leaves me in the dark and suspense of "who took them? and how will she get them back?". I enjoy the merchant that taunts her and i think its because this season i find Dany annoying as well. She has quite the temper and is just constantly saying who she is and how she will take things with fire and blood, its becoming very repetitive. Xaro Xhoan Daxos (which its funny cause on the show it sounds like they keep calling him duck sauce) put it best when he says she cant just expect things to be handed to her or gained by sheer honor loyalty ectthat she needs to get her hands a lil dirty (similar to how sansa is told life is not like her beloved fairy tales and songs)

Spoiler alert for thos who have not read and only watch!!!!










How ever my guess is that the warlock Pyat Pree himself or some one else working for the undying took the dragons and thats how she will end up @ the house of the undying. Quaith will show up to tell her or Jorah. There she will go in, do her thing, see her visions and @ the end come across her dragons who will join back to her and burn the place down!! how ever this is not what im all jazzed up to see next wk im deff more excited to see the other story lines unfold further instead lol

 

[svalbard]

Well it looks like a couple of things were answered by this episode. The producers are speeding up the story. One of the reasons for this is that they want to devote more time later on Stannis's attack on King's Landing, Jon in the north and Jaime escaping with Brienne.

It also looks like there will be no Reeds. This could change.

I enjoyed this episode and thought Theon's scenes in Winterfell were good. It was understandable that it was Theon and not Ramsay who kills Ser Rodrick in light of how the series is condensed.

Arya and Tywin were excellent and I thought Jon and Ygritte worked especially towards the end.

The Dany scenes were once again a let down.

Although there are many changes I think HBO are doing a pretty good job in getting across the complexity of the story without having to dumb it down too much.

 

[The Imp]

Well it looks like a couple of things were answered by this episode. The producers are speeding up the story. One of the reasons for this is that they want to devote more time later on Stannis's attack on King's Landing, Jon in the north and Jaime escaping with Brienne.

It also looks like there will be no Reeds. This could change.

I enjoyed this episode and thought Theon's scenes in Winterfell were good. It was understandable that it was Theon and not Ramsay who kills Ser Rodrick in light of how the series is condensed.

Arya and Tywin were excellent and I thought Jon and Ygritte worked especially towards the end.

The Dany scenes were once again a let down.

Although there are many changes I think HBO are doing a pretty good job in getting across the complexity of the story without having to dumb it down too much.

I agree, and let me add that I LOVE that I'm not sure what's coming next, ev en having read the books multiple times

 

[Eulalia]

I like not knowing what is going to happen, too.

Theon was great.

I don't know, I think they are making Tywin too likeable to match the books, (could be a problem with that) but I do like the scenes with Arya anyway, on their own.

 

[Warren_Paul]

I liked it that they were showing that side of Tywin. I've never really considered him to be a villain. Yes he is a Lannister and at war with the Starks, but not all Lannisters are inherently evil. I think of him as one of those that falls in that grey area inbetween. Cersei is more evil than Tywin.

The ending of episode 6; the dragons being stolen. It goes against the books, but I think it is an improvement. Why wouldn't somebody in Qarth try to steal the dragons? I can't remember how she gets to the House of the Undying in the books, been so long, but I don't think it was because they stole the dragons, was it? But it appears that's what's going to lead Dany there in the show, and I don't have a problem with that. Of course, I've made the assumption that it's the warlocks, we don't know for sure, but I believe it was a warlock at the end.

The one thing I don't really like is replacing Jeyne Westerling, why? Or is it that she has assumed a false identity, since she clearly doesn't want to say who she really is?

 

[Keebs411]

The one thing I don't really like is replacing Jeyne Westerling, why? Or is it that she has assumed a false identity, since she clearly doesn't want to say who she really is?

i thought the same as far as her maybe assuming a false identity, and then i thought perhaps they changed it again to avoid name confusion because of Jeyne Poole? they way they did for asha being turned into yara to avoid her name being confused with osha

 

[Syphon of Oor-Tael]

Where are the Brave Companions?

Why is Tywin telling a random girl about his father that he was obviously ashamed of?

What is Baelish doing in Harrenhall?

Why are the Boltons pushed to the background so hard?

What are the Hulk's pants made of? (Sorry, bad joke to leaven the complaining)

 

[svalbard]

What is Baelish doing in Harrenhall?

What are the Hulk's pants made of? (Sorry, bad joke to leaven the complaining)

Where else would the Lord of Harrenhall be.

 

[Timba]

As always no show is ever quite as good as a book for me but I am fine with the changes they have made. My wife who has yet to read the books is quite enthralled by the show so they must be doing something right.

I wonder if the fact that Dany is so, irritating for lack of a better word, at this point is so that they can show some growth in her character as the story unfolds. The big question is can the actress sell that and frankly that remains to be seen.

I fell in love with Arya in the books and this show has done nothing to change that. She can act, she is cute as a button and she has started her list! Tywin is portrayed as a little more likeable than in the book but he also comes across as a royal prick at times so I think there is enough balance there.

Tyrion, what can I say, simply the best.

 

[Syphon of Oor-Tael]

Svalbard, he was never in Harrenhall in the books. That's the thing.

 

[mtzGr]

Svalbard, he was never in Harrenhall in the books. That's the thing.

I think they are just trying to show how the Tyrell's come to be allies with the Lannisters, which I don't think was covered much in the book. Tywin is pretty much "in charge", even though his kids are running the show in the city, and Littlefinger is handling the issue so I don't see what's so crazy about it. There have been a lot of changes from actual text.

Tywin and Arya's interaction has been the best, and clearly he's taken a liking to her because she's intelligent and clever. Their conversation was completely natural; he had just asked her about her father, why is it such a stretch that he would allow her to do the same?

As for the Brave Companions/Boltons, there just isn't enough time to show everything. And I don't really know what you mean by pushed to the background so hard, Bolton basically shows up on screen everytime Robb does. Most of Robb's war around Casterly Rock is not even detailed in the book, nor is his love interest.