Sorry Hopes, I don't think I properly understood your example of objective morality (and I have to learn to get Objective and Subjective the right way round dammit!!) but reading through your posts again I'm not sure I agree
What I call morals are the In-Born guidelines by which one knows how much respect one holds for oneself.
In-Born? That doesn't equate with anything I have seen evidence for, for starters I don't think a baby has morals, secondly aren't the morals that you would call in-born actually a product of the enviroment you are raised in? Some cultures don't practice manogamy and so cheating on a partner wouldn't seem as immoral to them as to those of us that have been raised to believe that monogamy is the good/right way to do things. What does self-respect have to do with morals, some people who class themselves as very respectable and truly believe that they are have low moral values that other people who are much more humble and admit that they are not all good do.
I'm not sure I fully understand the idea of 'price'. Are you saying that we all have a price set by our own self-respect that we will only break a rule/behave immorally when said price is beaten? If I understand it correctly it is not objective at all, but merely a line that we will only cross in extreme circumstances.
I have sat in on many religious-based sermons, from a decent variety of sources, to feel comfortable stating that it is a difficult distinction that those who understand try to impart to those who dont. Why one keeps a law is, in some ways, more important than that one keeps it.
Does Law here refer to a social/societal norm that we, as members of the society, adhere to, in which case it only applies to the society and therefore isn't objective.
not all persons will want to mentally explore their morals to the extent where they become aware of their price but that some will, then I would say that those individuals who know their own price have objective morality.
But surely the price is different for each person, so regardless of knowing that price the moral is not objective but dependant on the subject. Would you say that your price has changed through your life? If it has then how can it be Objective?
Sorry if my statement about God was provocative, I was merely pointing out that, apart from yourself, the two main proponents of objective morality were both (seemingly) taking it from a higher power.
